Luai

[Aliceinwonderland]

A joke about the Tigers woes always being Ivans fault.

The fact that Ivan still gets blamed for W/T woes after 5 years is a hoot. Especially when you add in that they've had 2 coaches since too.

 

[Black Magik]

A joke about the Tigers woes always being Ivans fault.

Bazinga

 

[Kilkenny]

I think it’s rather sad in many respects, we are all caught up in the Jerome Luai contract situation, whether our deal on the table at $850k a season is sufficient.

We got players equally as important, perhaps more so, getting paid half or less. Why are wingers so poorly paid when arguably their contributions are equally important, if not more so. Brian To’o reportedly on about $400k a season.

I must be missing something, because in terms on contributing to our overall success, I don’t think we would achieved what we have without what Brian has brought to this team. Jerome $850k, Brian $400k there is seriously something very wrong in that equation. I don’t get it.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I don't think 'we are caught up in the Luai contract situation' as such.
It's off season, very little to talk about.

Luai is worth what someone is willing to pay him. Halves get paid more than wingers.

 

[Kilkenny]

I don't think 'we are caught up in the Luai contract situation' as such.
It's off season, very little to talk about.

Luai is worth what someone is willing to pay him. Halves get paid more than wingers.

I’m not disputing that, Brian To’o $400k the guy need to get a new management team because if that is anywhere near accurate, it is a disgrace.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I’m not disputing that, Brian To’o $400k the guy need to get a new management team because if that is anywhere near accurate, it is a disgrace.

Your missing the point Kilkenny. Spine players, especially, 1,6,7 get paid more than others.

A simple fact.

I have no idea what Bizza is on, I'd say $400,000 to $500,000 which is very good money for a winger.

Especially when the average is $250,000 to $300,000.

 

[Kilkenny]

Do you not think I understand the mechanics of the salary cap and the fact the games elite players in the spine get the biggest contracts. I’m missing the point. Okay.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

et Do you not think I understand the mechanics of the salary cap and the fact the games elite players in the spine get the biggest contracts. I’m missing the point. Okay.

I'm not suggesting that at all.

What I'm saying is........It's a players market for halves. Not many around up for contracts......

Wingers tend to be easier to find, (if you get my drift)

It comes back to supply and demand.

A fact of life in 2023 within the NRL.

I personally think singling out 1 or 2 players over all others is fraught with danger. It is afterall a team sport.

It may seem unfair. But halves have always been better paid than wingers.

 

[Kilkenny]

I'm not suggesting that at all.

What I'm saying is........It's a players market for halves. Not many around up for contracts......

Wingers tend to be easier to find, (if you get my drift)

It comes back to supply and demand.

A fact of life in 2023 within the NRL.

I personally think singling out 1 or 2 players over all others is fraught with danger. It is afterall a team sport.

It may seem unfair. But halves have always been better paid than wingers.

I’m not trying to pick an argument, rather pointing out the disparity, particularly given the overall importance our back three have delivered to our success. It’s just rather sad and imbalanced.

 

[soc123_au]

Do you not think I understand the mechanics of the salary cap and the fact the games elite players in the spine get the biggest contracts. I’m missing the point. Okay.

The fact spine players are worth more is just the market. Is it fair? Probably not.

The market decides.

I agree with you though on sentiment. It sucks a bit for Too' on half the contract value of what we offer his mates and they leave for more. Who is more valuable as far as our success goes is debatable, but I'd be happy to argue that To'o isn't on the right money for output compared to others. By the same token we would be stupid to offer overs on the market rate based on sentiment. There is a reason every half decent outside back wants to wear the 6 or 1.

 

[Kilkenny]

The fact spine players are worth more is just the market. Is it fair? Probably not.

The market decides.

I agree with you though on sentiment. It sucks a bit for Too' on half the contract value of what we offer his mates and they leave for more. Who is more valuable as far as our success goes is debatable, but I'd be happy to argue that To'o isn't on the right money for output compared to others. By the same token we would be stupid to offer overs on the market rate based on sentiment. There is a reason every half decent outside back wants to wear the 6 or 1.

i understand entirely, 20 minute a game Spencer Lenui is going to be earning $525k a season, for this next three years. Go figure.

 

[Iamback]

i understand entirely, 20 minute a game Spencer Lenui is going to be earning $525k a season, for this next three years. Go figure.

To'o left atleast $200k a year on the table by staying here.

Spencer is on way overs for his output

 

[Kilkenny]

To'o left atleast $200k a year on the table by staying here.

Spencer is on way overs for his output

He probably did mate, I don’t know, when we cut Josh Mansour he was on $500k on his last deal apparently.

Given recency bias I know his accomplishments at our club have largely been forgotten, he was a great player great Panther deserved every cent what he was paid in his time at our club but to me Brian should be paid well in excess of his current salary.

 

[Iamback]

He probably did mate, I don’t know, when we cut Josh Mansour he was on $500k on his last deal apparently.

Given recency bias I know his accomplishments at our club have largely been forgotten, he was a great player great Panther deserved every cent what he was paid in his time at our club but to me Brian should be paid well in excess of his current salary.

I heard he is on $600k. They'd be no winger on close to that, So in that respect it shows his standing in the game

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I heard he is on $600k. They'd be no winger on close to that, So in that respect it shows his standing in the game

That is huge money for a winger.

 

[soc123_au]

i understand entirely, 20 minute a game Spencer Lenui is going to be earning $525k a season, for this next three years. Go figure.

Yeah, Spencer is cheering if he got that out of the Chooks.

 

[Kilkenny]

I’m purely quoting figures readily available if you google the respective names. Not that they mean much anyway.

I would like to think Brian is on $600k.

 

[Kilkenny]

‘Prove I’m worth every penny’: Penrith enforcer’s $525k message to Roosters ahead of showdown

‘Prove I’m worth every penny’: Penrith enforcer’s $525k message to Roosters ahead of showdown

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Kilkenny]

I’m just relying on the above article. Who knows.

 

[Kilkenny]

I generally wish all our departing players well, no axe to grind, doing the best for themselves, they’re just something about the Spencer departure that irks me. We probably didn’t give him the minutes he deserved or craved so can’t blame him I guess. I just thought he may have stayed and I was wrong, we all were I guess.