Lyon Finale

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hahaha yes, the pm where you seriously asked me if i was female. oh i wish i could say that was an isolated incident

 

[strider]

OK, Smith fans, anyone care to tell me why Lyon might not attend - or even inform his manager if he is attending?

I tried to mention earlier that he might not want to give anyone the chance to try to talk him into coming back.....plus I can imagine he wants things in his life to be a bit less formal - more bush like.

I hope you are right. I hope there is no division. But unless you can come up with some proof, and not just euphoric hope and a "all is well" philosophy, allow the point to be raised.

Proof?.....well where is your proof of ther being "sour grapes" and an "unfriendly" relationship.

I'll go with the DIRECT quote from Greg Mitchell that things are ok between Jamie and the club "Given the relationship we have with Jamie and his manager, Alan Gainey, we see no reason why they wouldn't be attending."

If all was well, our second best player would not just piss off and not speak to the club on the eve of a new competition.

I think we've been through the whole Jamie leaving thing before....needless to say that obviously all was not well WITH JAMIE, thus he left....but I'd still like to see the PROOF that this means there is something wrong at the club - please post it here so I can admit to my misguided beliefs.

 

[Chipmunk]

Misty I'm glad your not a lawyer because what your proposing is called a 'restraint of trade' and would not be allowed in any court in any democratic country in the world. There are cases where American stars are playing more than one pro sport during the year and neither side can stop them playing for the other. If they don't like the situation, they don' sign the player. There is no way that Parra could stop Jamie playing RU if they release him from his obligation. The only thing stopping him from playing for another club is that you can't have two contracts lodged with the NRL at the same time; so his Parra one stays with the NRL and that's all they can do.

Well...Lyon still has a contract at the Club and I would imagine it would be like alot of NRL contracts and would state that the player cant play any other sport without the permission of the Club. As has been written previously, Lyon is the one who wants out of the contract, if he wants out I would imagine that Parramatta could have any stipulation they want to put in that 'release agreement' as they see fit if Lyon really wants his current contract effectively cancelled. Effectively, if he is granted a release to play in the country then all that we will be is another form of 'contract'.

I would be surprised if the Club released him to let him play for who ever he likes though and I cant really see Jamie Lyon playing rugby union in any case.

 

[eels1986]

Didn't Hodges get up and leave the Roosters and not talk to them while he was in Brissie. Jamie is not the first person to want to evulate his future and all because he doesn't turn up - big deal. Isn't this why the manager gets a % of his contract. let Gainey do some work for a change I say. Love to have him back but is he wants to play for the Wee Waa Panther there is nothing anyone can do about it.

 

[Avenger]

this Lyon fiasco is starting to annoy me

 

[queanbeyhole hindy fan]

Same here Avenger.
As much as we wish there was something we could do.....there isn't unfortunately
Let it rest guys
He'll be back IF or when he feels like it.

 

[AlexTheEel]

I know if I turned my back on a club I love I wouldn't want to face them either.

 

[Eelementary]

Sounds like sour grapes between the 2 parties. I mean, Parra setting the time, date and place of the meeting, rather than a negotiated meeting, and Lyon's non comottal to fronting. One would have thought there would have been a more amicable liaison between the two.

Maybe Parra have a clause for him not to play for any other NRL club, but if they had a brain they would preclude him from oplaying Union as well.

He'll be a Wallaby before he's an Eel again. I'll bet HJ's handbag on it!

I don't know about you mate, but if I were Brian Smith or Dennis Fitzgerald, I'd be quite furious that one of your star players decides to call it quits one game into the season.

I understand there are reasons behind it (and I am 200 million % behind Jamie); my point merely is that it appears as though the entire issue was dealt with extremely poorly by all concerned parties.

And regarding the Union comment - I wouldn't bet on it. If he thought NRL football was too harsh and invoked too much pressure, then I would guess the even more high-profile world of Union would suit Jamie's attitude less. I mean, one needs only to see how Nucifora was sacked for no apparent reason, and then subsequently arguably the world's best scrumhalf was coming off the bench. The happenings in League are the Minor Leagues in comparison to Union.

I would like to wish Jamie and his partner all the best. Follow your heart. But I would like to implore one final thing - PLEASE make it a final decision. If you are to return, you will be more than welcome. If you decide to leave, you will be missed but respected no less. But it troubles everyone when we are all left hanging by a thin thread.

 

[Eels Dude]

Love to have him back but is he wants to play for the Wee Waa Panther there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Actually there is, the club can simply refuse to release him. Tough decision though and I hope and doubt that would happen.

 

[Eels Dude]

Love to have him back but is he wants to play for the Wee Waa Panther there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Actually there is, the club can simply refuse to release him. It is still part of his contract that he cannot play rugby league for another club and until that is ammended he won't be able to take the field for Wee Waa.

 

[eels1986]

You are right Eels Dude but how petty would it be for the Eels management to stop him playing at his home town. If Jamie doesn't want to play at the elite level to put a clause in his release that if he returns to play in the NRL than it will be for the eels as other people have mentioned. At the end of the day let Jamie do what he really wants (it sounds like he doesn't want to return). On another note if this was just a reserve grade player than most people wouldn't care less and how many young players go to the city and can't handle the life style and quitely go back home - plenty I am sure.

 

[Eels Dude]

Yeah I agree with you there, but I can see things from the club's point of view as well. As stated today in the Herald they have already paid Lyon 100 grand for this season, yet he has walked out after one game. I think they have a right to feel slightly bitter towards him.

 

[Misty Bee]

Sounds like sour grapes between the 2 parties. I mean, Parra setting the time, date and place of the meeting, rather than a negotiated meeting, and Lyon's non comottal to fronting. One would have thought there would have been a more amicable liaison between the two.

Maybe Parra have a clause for him not to play for any other NRL club, but if they had a brain they would preclude him from oplaying Union as well.

He'll be a Wallaby before he's an Eel again. I'll bet HJ's handbag on it!

I don't know about you mate, but if I were Brian Smith or Dennis Fitzgerald, I'd be quite furious that one of your star players decides to call it quits one game into the season.

I understand there are reasons behind it (and I am 200 million % behind Jamie); my point merely is that it appears as though the entire issue was dealt with extremely poorly by all concerned parties.

And regarding the Union comment - I wouldn't bet on it. If he thought NRL football was too harsh and invoked too much pressure, then I would guess the even more high-profile world of Union would suit Jamie's attitude less. I mean, one needs only to see how Nucifora was sacked for no apparent reason, and then subsequently arguably the world's best scrumhalf was coming off the bench. The happenings in League are the Minor Leagues in comparison to Union.

I would like to wish Jamie and his partner all the best. Follow your heart. But I would like to implore one final thing - PLEASE make it a final decision. If you are to return, you will be more than welcome. If you decide to leave, you will be missed but respected no less. But it troubles everyone when we are all left hanging by a thin thread.

Nice to see someone can understand why there might be sour grapes. BTW, Strider, you don't need proof to raise a hypothetical, but you do need proof to shut is stone cold dead like you are trying to do. Got any goss to share with us? Didn't think so.

I am reminded of the Gordon Tallis incident with Saints, where Tallis point blank refused to play under Brian Smith again. Saints refused to grant the release, and Tallis sat out the season.

Back to the Blacklock comparison, Tingha was also sick of the city, sick of Rugby League and wanted to head back 'home'.An off contract Lyon would be a huge gem for the Union boys to collect, and it wouldn't involve the massive commitment to Sydney that the NRL demands.

Blacklock eventually came back to Saints - and slotted right back in as though he never let. Win win siuation by both lubs - and in the end handled as well as possible by the Dragons management. Mind you, there is probably not much else Parra's management can do, but it does appear that ties wil be severed (with or without stipulations or agreements), and Lyon will be lost to Parramatta.

 

[strider]

BTW, Strider, you don't need proof to raise a point, but you do need proof to shut is stone cold dead like you are trying to do. Got any goss to share with us? Didn't think so.

Silly me I read this as - "BTW...you don't need proof to raise a tonne of stupid rumours that have absolutely no truth to them and are founded entirely on total hatred of a single figure within the club which I will make up any amount of stupid ridiculous imaginary stories about to remove from the club" ....don't know why I would have thought it said that...terribly sorry

I am reminded of the Gordon Tallis incident with Saints, where Tallis point blank refused to play under Brian Smith again. Saints refused to grant the release, and Tallis sat out the season.

Once again I think I must have it ALL wrong....you see I have been of the opinion that Gordy sat out an entire season purely because of the whole super league blowup....ie Gordy wanted to go home to Qld and play for super league Brisbane......BUT I must be totally wrong again - because of course it all revolved around the devil coach - the man who intentionally goes to clubs to lose grand finals and corrupt the minds of young up and coming players, driving them to the bush in his quest to see his clubs lose.....actually, come to think of it - it seems Gordy sat out the 1996 season - and magically, in 1996 Brian Smith was coaching, ummmm, surely it was St George, the team Gordy is running away from to get away from evil Brian.....ummm, guess again, seems Brian wasn't coaching St George in 1996, he was of course in England with Bradford :shock: ....now IF as you state Gordy was purely "point blank refusing to play under Brian Smith again", I guess that means Gordy got a contract with Bradford and refused to play there??? - funny, it doesn't mention his Bradford contract in his bio.

Back to the Blacklock comparison, Tingha was also sick of the city, sick of Rugby League and wanted to head back 'home'.

Again I am just imagining stuff......you see, I must have dreamt that Tingha was a bit disenchanted cos he wasn't getting picked in representative teams despite always being the top try scorer and one of the most exciting players around.....yeah I guess he was JUST homesick, and thats why he quickly joined the Southern Districts Union team, which interestingly is NOT based in Tingha, but instead in Southern Sydney, were, gasp, the St George Illawarra Dragons are located.....my bad again.

An off contract Lyon would be a huge gem for the Union boys to collect, and it wouldn't involve the massive commitment to Sydney that the NRL demands.

Finally I am right about something - yeah Union would LOVE to get their paws on Jamie......and oh yeah, having to spend months away from Wee Waa in camp with the Waratahs/Reds/Brumbies and no doubt the Wallabies - travelling to NZ and South Africa for the Super 12 and Tri-Series would be nothing....eh! :? :? :? ......surely Jamie would have no problem with that - Sydney seems so much further away than say, Johanesburg.


If you want to try to destabilise Brian Smith, at least think up some intelligent garbage Misty....don't believe for one minute that you can state rumours as truths and have no one argue against them!

 

[GoParra]

It's scary, but sometimes I think Strider is inside my mind :shock:

 

[Suitman]

I must say there are some very lousy arguments there Misty.

Seems like your passion for a particular hatred is getting the better of you.

Suity

 

[strider]

And the sour grapes continue...

You can just tell from this quote in the SMH that there is nothing but sour grapes from Brian Smith towards Jamie - the final sentence says it all "...we'd love to have him back"....surely thats just sarcasm from Brian??? - isn't it???.....hmmm, maybe not.



Eels flummoxed as fans turn up for match
By Steve Mascord and Brad Walter
April 13, 2004

"Smith said of tomorrow's meeting with errant centre Jamie Lyon: "I'm not sure whether I'm required . . . I'm certainly happy to go if they want me to. We're missing him a lot. We've got a big hole on our right side at the moment that we've tried to fill with three different blokes and we'd love to have him back."



Don't worry Misty, I'll keep looking for that proof that you want about there not being sour grapes....found ANY proof that there is yet???