Making a leg tackle dominant?

[simon says]

I've thought about this for a while........and I reckon this could be the answer to all the lifting and niggling in all the tackles.

Make one on one tackles around the legs dominant.Give the tackler time to lie on the player and get up and his players onside.


At the moment it is actually bad to do a legs tackle...the player is taken out of the defensive line and the bloke gets up and plays the ball very quickly.

So obvious players are discouraged from doing this and now we see the bi products,lifting,twisting,wrestling.....and we miss the art of the one on one......i used to love blokes like Wayne Pearce,Dave Gillespie and even Luke Lewis chopping someone down with a beautifully timed tackle.....and u can hurt peeps too.

I would love to see this implemented and fast.

Thoughts?

 

[McNulty]

Further slow the game down?

 

[MarkC]

Simon is probably on the right track here.

Many of the dangerous tackles at present are caused by players trying to slow down the play the ball and get back to marker.

If the refs call 'dominant' the other player in the tackle can hold down for a while give the legs tackler time to get to marker.

On the flip side they need to plenalise all leg-pulls leg-lifts and more of the wrestling moves.
The main thing that should be made illegal is any locking off the arm not carrying the ball or any other part of the body.

The problem is whenever they change the rules smart coaches are looking for a way to exploit the changes.

The other consideration is a mistimed legs tackle can injure the tackler, so the concern would be coaches requiring players who are not good at it to make legs tackles.

 

[MarkC]

Further slow the game down?

No hopefully, they can make rules changes in other areas to reduce the wrestle, so the overall effect is the same.

The speed of the game is generally right at present.

No one is saying this is easy to get right.

 

[Danish]

Completely agree on this. Suggested it as well when all the lifting tackle stuff was happening at the start of the season.

They made so many changes to try and speed up the game by demanding almost immediate release once the ball runner hits the ground, which prompted the likes of Bellamy to invent techniques to prolong the ref's call of held. Best way to do that? wrap up the ball, then take the player to the ground as slowly as possible using wrestling techniques. Best practice being keeping the player upright then throwing him to the ground simultaneously to the held call to buy you an extra couple seconds.

If you could just tackle a bloke round the legs, then crawl over them and hold them down till you are back at marker we honestly wouldn't see any reduction in speed compared to the gang tackle wrestling of today's game, and whats more it would reduce the dangerous lifting tackles involving multiple people.

 

[LineBall]

I'd rather they get rid of dominant/surrender tackles altogether. It just introduces a whole new grey area to the game. What one ref calls dominant/surrender, the other won't.

Leg tackles would be more prevalent if the defence didn't have to get back 10m. No need to slow down the play the ball as much.

 

[muzby]

On the flip side they need to plenalise all leg-pulls leg-lifts and more of the wrestling moves.
The main thing that should be made illegal is any locking off the arm not carrying the ball or any other part of the body.

this.

we have penalties for unnecessary contact with the head, we need to start giving penalties for the twists, pulls etc..

it's not tough, it's not part of our game.. it's just stupid time wasting wrestling

 

[Captain Apollo]

The thing is due to the cannon ball tackle, they effectively outlawed tacklers making contract with the legs below the knee, that is why the grapple is even more in vogue as people won't go near the legs for fear of penalties.

 

[Kiwi]

apparently to make a leg tackle dominant all you need to do is lift them like Reynolds did. Who cares if it goes wrong, you'll only get suspended if you hurt the bloke.

 

[ek999]

Awww poor Kiwi still crying.

 

[simon says]

Im in the hope that if they gave a dominant for a good legs tackle that it would naturally stop the 2-3 player hold them in the air and wrestle tackle as you would get the same value for yer one on one tackle and only use one player in the process and thus saving energy and keeping yer line intact.

I actually think this would speed the game up and make it more open and have more one on one plays which I think everyone wants to see.

 

[MarkC]

Reynolds was probably trying to lift the legs in the air to get time to make it to marker.

We've send that 1000's of times before in 1-on-1 legs tackles and leg pulls etc.

The problem occurs because legs tackles are not dominant and because ruck speed is so important in the modern game.

At the same time Scott seemed to be executing an arm lock wrestling move, again we have seen this 100's of times before with no ill effects.

It was the combination of the 2, and the timing that cause a problem.

To fix the problem you have to fix the underlying causes.

 

[simon says]

I would like to see the NRL trial something like tis in an under 20's game nad see what happens?

 

[MarkC]

What we are saying is - lets replace dangerous high risk ways of slowing down the ruck with safer alternatives and try to keep the game speed about the same.

 

[Someone]

leg tackles 1v1 just arent effective nowadays. All the defender gets is a kick in the face because the attacker is allowed to wiggle around and kick the tackler as he pleases. It is my pet hate of the game at the moment. Players are getting kicked in the head and chest/shoulder etc every game.

 

[MarkC]

I would like to see the NRL trial something like tis in an under 20's game nad see what happens?

I agree, no reason why they can't try it this year.

Sometimes there a dead rubbers towards the end of the U20's season which are perfect for experimentation.

The the new rule change seems to be working well they can try it in the NRL next season or play a full season of U20's if they are not 100% sure.

 

[MarkC]

leg tackles 1v1 just arent effective nowadays. All the defender gets is a kick in the face because the attacker is allowed to wiggle around and kick the tackler as he pleases. It is my pet hate of the game at the moment. Players are getting kicked in the head and chest/shoulder etc every game.

With the rule change we are talking about, the attacker would be penalised if they kicked out before the ref called "release".

 

[BranVan3000]

The problem is that refs let certain teams lie all over the opposition on every tackle, the concept of dominant and not dominant tackles doesnt exist

 

[BranVan3000]

They just need to standardise the time allowed to holding down in a tacle. Once the tackler is on the ground the ref should count "three, two, one" and if the defenders haven't completely cleared the ruck then they are penalised

 

[ucantseeme]

Agree with the safety aspect, but, when a player makes a linebreak then gets tackled, most of the time the player who made the linebreak is caught via legs tackle one on one. And a quick play the ball ensues. This is very exciting as defending players struggle to get back on side and the attacking team can smell blood. Slowing the play of the ball down in this instance would result in less tries and less excitement as defensive team will have extra time to set their line.