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Matthew Lodge Arrested in New York

lynx000

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lol Broncs fans trying to defend this guy.

Just don't...

You cannot and will not win any argument..

You think? So what is your issue with It Mike so we can have a discussion about it? You tell me what your concerns are and I will address them. By the way, nice generalisation with the `Broncs fans' (I do not represent the broncos fan base). I am simply one person addressing some of the BS that has been sprouted in this thread. I would be making similar posts had Lodge been signed by someone else because it is a fundamental belief that there must be a limit or an end to punishment and there should be encouragement of attempts made by somebody to rehabilitate themselves.

Just so you are aware, I am firmly in the camp that if he transgresses again, they should rip up his contract and he should be in the same boat as Carney and not ever be re-registered.
 

Canard

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Who said I am sympathetic to Lodge. I think it was a reprehensible, irresponsible and fundamentally stupid act by him, which appeared to be a continuation of behavioral problems he had been showing. If you know from previous incidences that you have a problem on the piss, don't drink. Quite simple. Did he deserve to be punished, absolutely.

The difference between you and me and people like Razor is that:

(a) I believe that those in the best position to make a determination as to what constituted appropriate punishment for the criminality involved are the legal professionals in the jurisdiction where the offence occurred. If you disagree with me that professionals with the appropriate legal qualifications and years of experience are better placed to determine what is appropriate in the circumstances, compared to a bunch of keyboard warriors on the other side of the world, we will just have to agree to disagree;

(b) Lodge, having completed the terms of his plea agreement, is entitled to get on with his life. Or is your concept of the criminal justice system is that someone can continue to be punished for the same crime after they have completed the punishment mandated by the court, you are seeking to overturn hundreds and hundreds of years of common law and statutory principles;

(c) If you believe the he has not been adequately punished, is that Lodge's fault? That is something that you all should be taking up with the authorities in New York;

(d) If you have a problem with him being re-registered, that is a decision that has been made by the NRL with full knowledge of his circumstances. If you all have an issue with that, write your letters of complaint to the NRL or Todd Greenburg. I note that the manner in which they have handled Lodge's case is consistent with the manner in which they have addressed issues with Carney in the past, Packer, Wicks etc.;

(e) Which leads me to the conclusion that this confected outrage that is occurring via a clearly media driven campaign, primarily is occurring because of the club he has been signed by.

Interesting, that you do not answer the question that I posed. I will do so again. Did you have the capacity at 21/22 to pay a judgment of $1.6 million?

How do you propose he satisfy the judgment if he has no capacity to pay it? He offered to take out a loan, to give them something, they refused. That is their right. Perhaps they are playing the waiting game to see if he does start earning big dollars? The difficult scenario for them is, that in all likelihood that judgment is not enforceable in Australia. They may have to make a judgment call one day whether a percentage of the award is better than nothing.

Further, are you seriously suggesting that if you were in Lodge's shoes with a $1.6M judgment against you that you would not seek to negotiate a better outcome for yourself? If you contend that you would simply pay the damages, I believe you to be a liar.

In the same scenario in Australia, would they have received $1.6M, no way known would that have happened. In total the three plaintiffs would have been lucky to receive $300,00 to $400,000 AUD. A more likely total would have been $200,000.00. I believe that the damages awarded were excessive in the circumstances, that is my view on the information I have about the circumstances involved on the night in question.

So the judgement of the court is fine in one instance, but not in the other? How hypocritical of you.

For mine, scumbags like this should never be given the privilege of being professional athletes.

Once again, saying your a 22 year old dole bludger is not an excuse to avoid any punishment.
 

I Bleed Maroon

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Second article on ABC phone feed to Apple in a handful of hours...

Out of interest, when was the last positive story on 7:30 about rugby league?

HAS there been one? Like ever?

Maaan the media really didn't take too kindly to the NRL having an uneventful off season did they. Nor did they like the Broncos telling them to go to hell when they came knocking looking for an interview with Lodge. Thanks for giving that game away tonight, NRL 360.
 

myrrh ken

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Garnish his wages into a fund that eventually compensates the victims.

If he was so contrite about the incident, he wouldve acknowledged the civil case instead of hiding from it.
 

lynx000

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So the judgement of the court is fine in one instance, but not in the other? How hypocritical of you.

For mine, scumbags like this should never be given the privilege of being professional athletes.

Once again, saying your a 22 year old dole bludger is not an excuse to avoid any punishment.

Once again, for about the third time, the damages award is not punishment, it is meant to be compensation. Do you think you are able to grasp that distinction? You have once again avoided answering my question. I will take your continuing failure to answer the question to be a concession that at 22 you would not have been able to pay a $1.6M damages award. So Mr Canard, in that scenario what would you do? (I know that you will also avoid answering this question).

Re your comment about hypocrisy, in one case on the criminal punishment, Lodge was legally represented and his lawyer was able to provide evidence and make submissions to the DA about the appropriate charge and penalty. The DA was fully seized of all of the facts.

In the civil case, it was a default judgment scenario where the court only heard one side of the story, it is not clear what the evidence was that was put before the court, and none of the evidence was tested. The plaintiff's lawyers have shown that they have the capacity to be loose with the truth as regards their allegations that there was no remorse shown by Lodge and not attempts by him to settle the matter. As a consequence, I believe that there is a valid reason for at least casting a critical eye at the size of the award of damages.

By the way, if you are in the camp of him not having been adequately punished, aren't you equally hypocritical?

So if in your view that scumbags like these should never be given the privilege of being professional athletes, does that apply across the board:
No Greg Inglis;
No Greg Bird;
No Kirisome Auva'a;
No Russell Packer;
No Kenny Edwards;
No Danny Wicks;
No Manu Ma'u.

Where do we draw the line, should convicted drug cheats just be permanently banned?

The difference apparently between you and me is that I believe that if you have done the time, you have shown that you have taken steps to rehabilitate yourself and you can satisfy the national governing body that you are deserving of a second chance, then you should be be given that chance.

If you want to see real hypocrisy, have a look at the confected outrage of this targetted media campaign about Lodge when there has barely been boo said about some of the others I have listed.
 

lynx000

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Garnish his wages into a fund that eventually compensates the victims.

If he was so contrite about the incident, he wouldve acknowledged the civil case instead of hiding from it.

Same question to you sir. If you had a $1.6M damages award against you at 22, would you have had the capacity to pay it? Secondly, if you were in that scenario of having that award made against you in a foreign country, would you make an attempt to negotiate a lesser payout figure to finalise it and have the issue put to bed?
 

insert.pause

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I don't think many in Lodges situation would have done anything different, doesn't change the fact he shouldn't have been registered, not because of what he hasn't done, but because of what he has done.
 

I Bleed Maroon

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The entire Cronulla side that won the maiden premiership are confessed drug cheats, yet they're celebrated for the former as if the latter never happened. Lol.

Send your high horses back to the stables, cause this Bronco isn't having any of your shit.
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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This Just in from the broncos PR department:

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My tip for their next big signing: Tim Simona
 

myrrh ken

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Same question to you sir. If you had a $1.6M damages award against you at 22, would you have had the capacity to pay it? Secondly, if you were in that scenario of having that award made against you in a foreign country, would you make an attempt to negotiate a lesser payout figure to finalise it and have the issue put to bed?

Id probably front up to court and explain my financial circumstances.
 
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carcharias

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The entire Cronulla side that won the maiden premiership are confessed drug cheats, yet they're celebrated for the former as if the latter never happened. Lol.

Send your high horses back to the stables, cause this Bronco isn't having any of your shit.

I’d rather my players get busted on the gear than threatening to kill children....and bashing their father in front of them.
 

Canard

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Once again, for about the third time, the damages award is not punishment, it is meant to be compensation. Do you think you are able to grasp that distinction? You have once again avoided answering my question. I will take your continuing failure to answer the question to be a concession that at 22 you would not have been able to pay a $1.6M damages award. So Mr Canard, in that scenario what would you do? (I know that you will also avoid answering this question).

Re your comment about hypocrisy, in one case on the criminal punishment, Lodge was legally represented and his lawyer was able to provide evidence and make submissions to the DA about the appropriate charge and penalty. The DA was fully seized of all of the facts.

In the civil case, it was a default judgment scenario where the court only heard one side of the story, it is not clear what the evidence was that was put before the court, and none of the evidence was tested. The plaintiff's lawyers have shown that they have the capacity to be loose with the truth as regards their allegations that there was no remorse shown by Lodge and not attempts by him to settle the matter. As a consequence, I believe that there is a valid reason for at least casting a critical eye at the size of the award of damages.

By the way, if you are in the camp of him not having been adequately punished, aren't you equally hypocritical?

So if in your view that scumbags like these should never be given the privilege of being professional athletes, does that apply across the board:
No Greg Inglis;
No Greg Bird;
No Kirisome Auva'a;
No Russell Packer;
No Kenny Edwards;
No Danny Wicks;
No Manu Ma'u.

Where do we draw the line, should convicted drug cheats just be permanently banned?

The difference apparently between you and me is that I believe that if you have done the time, you have shown that you have taken steps to rehabilitate yourself and you can satisfy the national governing body that you are deserving of a second chance, then you should be be given that chance.

If you want to see real hypocrisy, have a look at the confected outrage of this targetted media campaign about Lodge when there has barely been boo said about some of the others I have listed.

All those turds should not be able to play, include that piece of shit Robert Lui in that list too.

I haven't threatened a nine year olds life so my ability to pay damages is f**king irrelevant and a shitty attempt to try to excuse his scumbag behaviour.
 

lynx000

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I’d rather my players get busted on the gear than threatening to kill children....and bashing their father in front of them.

More LU hyperbole, well played. There is no evidence of him threatening to kill a child.
All those turds should not be able to play, include that piece of shit Robert Lui in that list too.

I haven't threatened a nine year olds life so my ability to pay damages is f**king irrelevant and a shitty attempt to try to excuse his scumbag behaviour.

Can't answer those questions can you? Because it will expose you as a hypocrite.
 

txta2

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There's growing discussions on fb about females protesting and not attending Broncos games. Could not happen to a better club lol
 
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