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Mayer Threatens to turn Tigpies into the Roosters

MadPie

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Wests Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer warned the NRL that unless his club received compensation in the future for the juniors they developed but were signed elsewhere he'd forgo grassroots development and join the code's ranks of "cheque-book" administrators and buy a team.
Mayer expressed his frustration as speculation suggested Canterbury were vying to recruit off-contract boom fullback James Tedesco, one of eight local products named in the Wests Tigers' 17 for Friday's match against Souths.
His resolve for "something" to be done was galvanised by the statistic that showed an NRL team's roster worth of Wests Tigers juniors were playing first grade in rival colours. Mayer revealed he'd expressed his concern to the NRL and that he enjoyed the support of St George Illawarra and Canberra, two other clubs in a similar situation.
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"We're shouting [the need for a club to be compensated for developing a junior who signs with another club] from the rooftops," Mayer told Fairfax Media.
"We have 24 players currently playing for other clubs and what do we get for that? Nothing. We're going to push very hard; reward the clubs that develop [their own] or we're out. We'll stop developing club players and become a cheque-book club. It's a very clear threat, too. It's a joke that we continue to develop players for other clubs and we get no reward for it.
''I've spoken to Canberra and St George Illawarra about it and we're very keen to walk in to the NRL as a group of clubs and say, 'It's not good enough that we're bring penalised for developing players when we lose them'."
Mayer said junior players underpinned the Wests Tigers sides. He said the latest step of the club's bred-not-bought focus was retaining Tedesco [a Camden junior], David Nofoaluma [Campbelltown] and Curtis Sironen [Dundas/North Ryde].
"You can look at what we have done since I started – we retained Aaron Woods, Luke Brooks, Mitchell Moses,Tim Simona," he said. "We retained guys like Manaia Cherrington and Delouise Hoeter at a younger level. We're ticking one box at a time; then you have guys like Robbie Farah and Chris Lawrence etcetera etcetera still there ... there's a few missing parts of the puzzle, David Nofoaluma, James Tedesco, [Sironen]. If we do that we have the core for our future and we're very open about that."
"Sometimes you win some, sometimes you lose some ... the way negotiations go. I realise that we've made mistakes but Tedesco, Nofoaluma and Sironen, they're our kids yet we're competing to keep them and it doesn't seem right."
Tedesco, 21, indicated earlier in the week that there were a number of issues that tied him to the Wests Tigers.
"This is my junior club; coming through the ranks, [I've] got a lot of good mates here I grew up with," he said. "We'll just see what happens."
Mayer said he understood clubs would always fight for a talent such as Tedesco, but he said it ought to be a concern it was always the same teams mentioned in speculation.
"It doesn't worry me that it was speculated Canterbury are chasing him; that's competition," he said. "At the end of the day I've been very happy to hear James has said himself he wants to stay. He's been very clear he wants to stay with his mates and that's great, I'm very excited about that. The kid has an opportunity to make the most of his career we are in negotiations right now, we're very hopeful and we'd like to think he wants to stay at the Tigers.
''But it's amusing to me how many clubs are constantly named for chasing another club's talent. It bemuses me as to how they do it, but clearly they have a plan themselves. You can't judge them, all I can do is allow the court of public opinion to judge them – and I'm sure they are."


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...book-rivals-20140320-hvktz.html#ixzz2wVDEyqOB
 

dogslife

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Probably shouldn't have employed Tim Sheens for so long if he wanted to retain his juniors :lol:
 

Perth Red

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Do Wests Tigers (NRL club) spend anything on jnrs below under 20's? I thought balmain and wests leagues clubs paid for and ran jnr RL in that area?
 

pHyR3

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Probably shouldn't have employed Tim Sheens for so long if he wanted to retain his juniors :lol:


sheens was instrumental in setting up many of our junior pathways, most notably of course Keebra Park. He opened up that channel which started with Benji and some really good players have just come over from that school which won the state champs (i think). Marion Seve is a clear standout centre, doing well in NYC too.
 

bellyache

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Wanker! JNR's.... Get with the times Mayer. Remember when Balmain n LOL@ took Jnr's from Easts, Newtown, etc? :lol: I'd much rather see the Jets in the NRL..
 

pHyR3

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Do Wests Tigers (NRL club) spend anything on jnrs below under 20's? I thought balmain and wests leagues clubs paid for and ran jnr RL in that area?

im not sure on the details, but WT have (or are about to) set up an elite NRL academy in the macarthur/campbelltown region if im not mistaken. They also run several days for many juniors (U18 and below) to come along and have some sessions at concord (our training base) with people at the club (coaches and stuff i assume)

Probably some other stuff too, but they are not completely detached.
 

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im not sure on the details, but WT have (or are about to) set up an elite NRL academy in the macarthur/campbelltown region if im not mistaken. They also run several days for many juniors (U18 and below) to come along and have some sessions at concord (our training base) with people at the club (coaches and stuff i assume)

Probably some other stuff too, but they are not completely detached.

Doesn't sound like that would pay for much of a big name spending spree instead!

Also is he suggesting the Tigers are not spending the full cap and are putting that money into jnr development instead? Or is he suggesting he would take money from jnr development and spend it over the cap signing big names? His threat really doesn't make much sense!
 
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gallagher

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Doesn't sound like that would pay for much of a big name spending spree instead!

Also is he suggesting the Tigers are not spending the full cap and are putting that money into jnr development instead? Or is he suggesting he would take money from jnr development and spend it over the cap signing big names? His threat really doesn't make much sense!

Of course it doesnt make sense, its the Tigers. We still play out of LO FFS.
 

gallagher

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no, he's not suggesting anything about the cap.

you know the nrl basically gives each club the cap (7 mil handout) every year right? he's saying that instead of bothering to develop juniors, and then pay market price to resign them. he'll just take other people's juniors for market price and top em up with dodgy 3rd party deals a la Roosters

Would help if we had some money/sponsors. Its an idiotic threat.
 

MacDougall

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It's the same thing most of us on here have said at one point. No point trying to somehow make him out to be a villain. 24 Tigers playing at other clubs is a fair statistic and when you consider that we're minnows in the league and are being treated like a nursery for "glamour clubs" that can't produce jack he has a reason to be shitty. I imagine not just Canberra and St George Illawarra would have beef, how many Knights and Warriors are there elsewhere? Gotta imagine it's a fair whack.

If the Bulldogs and Roosters are somehow major competitive threats regularly and have barely a junior to scratch themselves with representing their own clubs then obviously there is something wrong.

Perhaps the solution lies in the grant. A second level of the grant that's handed out to the clubs based on the number of NRL players registered NRL wide across all clubs that were graded by said club.

So say the Tigers have 24 juniors registered to top tier salary cap across the NRL at other clubs, plus their own juniors they get that amount as a percentage given to them in bonus grants. I actually think that'd be a pretty great idea tbh.

Divide the grant in half and distribute it evenly. Then divide the rest in a percentage based on their grassroots contribution to NRL talent. Certainly would encourage the clubs to get active at producing their own juniors and would reward those that do it well.
 

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Cronulla chairman Damian Keogh has accused Canterbury of inflating the player market and called for changes to the NRL transfer system after losing Andrew Fifita and Michael Lichaa to the Bulldogs on respective deals worth $850,000 and $350,000 a season.
With Manly coach Geoff Toovey also hitting out over their attempts to lure Sea Eagles fullback Peta Hiku, the Bulldogs are coming under attack from rival clubs and Keogh said they had already driven up the cost of players.
 

MacDougall

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So say each club has 30 registered top tier players. 480 NRL wide. Tigers have 24 at other clubs and 21 of their 30 are juniors. They have 45/480 meaning they'd get just under 10 percent of the bonus cap because of successful junior development.
 

gallagher

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It's the same thing most of us on here have said at one point. No point trying to somehow make him out to be a villain. 24 Tigers playing at other clubs is a fair statistic and when you consider that we're minnows in the league and are being treated like a nursery for "glamour clubs" that can't produce jack he has a reason to be shitty. I imagine not just Canberra and St George Illawarra would have beef, how many Knights and Warriors are there elsewhere? Gotta imagine it's a fair whack.

If the Bulldogs and Roosters are somehow major competitive threats regularly and have barely a junior to scratch themselves with representing their own clubs then obviously there is something wrong.

Perhaps the solution lies in the grant. A second level of the grant that's handed out to the clubs based on the number of NRL players registered NRL wide across all clubs that were graded by said club.

So say the Tigers have 24 juniors registered to top tier salary cap across the NRL at other clubs, plus their own juniors they get that amount as a percentage given to them in bonus grants. I actually think that'd be a pretty great idea tbh.

Divide the grant in half and distribute it evenly. Then divide the rest in a percentage based on their grassroots contribution to NRL talent. Certainly would encourage the clubs to get active at producing their own juniors and would reward those that do it well.

So we have 24 players at other clubs. How many of those did we release? And if we wanted all those 24 back then where would we fit them in? Its not the dogs fault that they manage their cap better than us. I heard no crying when we signed Blair from Melbourne.

Its embarrassing TBH
 

MacDougall

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You're missing the point. What benefit is there to investing in development when our players just end up elsewhere and we get no compensation, when you can employ a model like the Roosters or Dogs and not spend a dime on it and be competitive anyway. If the NRL value the grassroots development that we do then they should incentivise it. Whether we've made the right calls on certain players is irrelevant to the point as our hands were tied with salary cap. We have current 45 juniors registered as top tier players, we wouldn't have been able to keep them all if we wanted to because of the salary cap so if the salary cap works then we should be compensated by the NRL, not the other clubs, for doing the work that puts this talent in the game.
 

gallagher

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I get the point. How can the roosters do it with such a small junior area? And for that matter how can we be a cheque book club with no money?
 

Perth Red

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Again surely it should be wests and balmain leagues clubs getting the money, they are the ones developing jnrs. Majority of NRL clubs pick the elite up at under 16's for hm and SG ball but that is just a handful of jnrs. Should wests tigers be compensated for jnrs coming out of the wests Ashfield jnr system under your scheme or just players at other clubs that have come out of wests tigers (NRL) SG ball clubs?
 

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...ls-need-nrl-help/story-e6frf3wu-1226860572649

Wests Tigers CEO Grant Mayer says clubs who find stars that are stolen by rivals need NRL help

Dean Ritchie
The Daily Telegraph
March 20, 2014 11:00PM

WESTS Tigers CEO Grant Mayer believes teams who constantly have local juniors stolen by rival clubs should be compensated by the NRL.

Mayer was reacting after hearing rumours that other clubs were looking to pinch a few of Wests Tigers’ rising young stars.

“It’s time the NRL look at a compensation model which rewards youth development,” Mayer said.

“Maybe there could be salary cap dispensation or an increase in the annual grant.

“We are a development club.

“Clubs like St George Illawarra, Canberra, Penrith and Parramatta have developed players for years.

“Sadly they seem to watch their home grown talent sign with other clubs.”

Mayer said Wests Tigers had eight local juniors in their 17-man NRL squad which played Gold Coast last Sunday at Robina.

“We are working overtime to retain our juniors,” he said.

“Guys like Luke Brooks, Mitchell Moses, Tim Simona, Aaron Woods are local juniors. Chris Lawrence and Robbie Farah.”

Asked was he fed-up with some teams stealing other club’s local juniors, Mayer said: “Fundamentally.”

Mayer would not name the clubs he was referring to.

“We have more than 20 of our local juniors either at other clubs or playing other sports around Australia,” Mayer said.

Some of those rising local juniors will be on display again tonight when Wests Tigers play South Sydney at ANZ Stadium.

Wests Tigers will start $4.05 outsiders, according to TAB Sportsbet, but enter the match full of confidence after easily beating Gold Coast last weekend.
 

MacDougall

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The Roosters barely spend a cent on development. Hell Mitchell Pearce is a Tigers junior is he not? That's exactly the question. If the Roosters can do it with such a small junior area that produces next to no juniors then why should the rest of the clubs bother putting the time and money into nurturing talent for the Roosters and Dogs to poach?

Of course if they don't then there'd BE no talent. So Mayer and the other clubs are now coming around to the fact that they could actually put the NRL over a barrel over this issue. If they stop funding development then where do the players come from?

I can only guess that Mayer is confident that the money issues are soon to be a thing of the past. Right now any lack of funds they may have had are being funded by the NRL and after that dries up either Wests take full ownership or independents take over. Either way the club is mostly funded by sponsors and the NRL grant anyway so the financial worries are quite overblown.
 

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