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McCaw Pushing the Boundaries

Thomas

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There's always plenty of speculation about McCaw and how he pushes the boundaries of the rules with regards to being offisde and illegal play in the rucks. Is he a cynical breaker of the laws or is he just doing what a good flanker does and what all good flankers do?

Here's a piece I read in today's papers which touches on it...

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25953814-10389,00.html

ALL Blacks captain Richie McCaw is often accused of beating the Wallabies by living offside - and now there's graphic evidence to prove it.
Damning Fox Sports footage confirms McCaw's status as a serial offender with a shopping list of illegal plays to help scuttle the Wallabies 22-16 at Eden Park in Auckland last month.
<LI class="gallery ">In pictures: Wallabies v All Blacks
Analysis of that Test shows McCaw failing to join the ruck from behind the last man's feet at least seven times and contesting kicks while offside on at least three occasions.

Despite being captured flagrantly entering the side of rucks and chasing in front of kickers, flanker McCaw proved "Mr Untouchable" by escaping without a single offside penalty.

South African referee Craig Joubert appeared to miss all of these.

The Wallabies yesterday refused to comment on McCaw's murky tactics, but the offside law will be policed with fresh vigilance in Saturday's key Bledisloe Cup Test at ANZ Stadium in Sydney.

An International Rugby Board edict to referees has called for a crackdown on offside players contesting or interfering with high kicks.

Former Wallabies coach Bob Dwyer yesterday called on Australian coach Robbie Deans to put McCaw's offside habits on the radar of South African referee Jonathan Kaplan in a pre-Test meeting.

"Richie does get away with a fair bit," Dwyer said.

"He tries to make it look as though he's come through the gate but he hasn't really.

"The entry point for his hands and arms is often from the side of the ruck and then he swings his bum around.

"He comes straight in from the side heaps of times and I've even seen him come in from in front of the ball to block the opposition."

Dwyer said McCaw could also be whistled for his habit of obstructing defenders by running on their line to the breakdown.

When asked if McCaw was an illegal player or simply a smart one, Deans said: "If you get away with it, you're a smart player but I don't want to go there.

"I'm not concerned about history, just Saturday night."

Former Wallabies coach Eddie Jones said McCaw's work at the breakdown was no different to the world's other premier No. 7s.

It is his ability to sweet-talk referees that sets the Kiwi apart, Jones said.

"McCaw is an outstanding flanker who plays the laws to the edge like George Smith, Schalk Burger, Phil Waugh and Heinrich Brussow," Jones said.

"McCaw's point of difference, like Sean Fitzpatrick once had, is that he is an outstanding captain.

"He develops a good rapport with refs so refs respond well. Smart!"

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Parra

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I provided my accusations against Joubert following this match. The posts were deleted. My opinion hasn't changed - his performance stank of something worse than mere incompetence.
 

Parra

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Stu Dickinson is the only ref who is willing to sort out serial offenders like Richie McCaw and George Smith. The ridiculous 'neutral ref' law has done the same damage to rugby as it has to cricket - we end up with incompetents in charge of the biggest matches.
 

Thomas

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I provided my accusations against Joubert following this match. The posts were deleted. My opinion hasn't changed - his performance stank of something worse than mere incompetence.


Yeah, I had to refrain myself from using a certain word. But all good flankers do this...but they get caught a few times as well. McCaw doesn't and well done to him.

It won't stop me screaming at the TV.

What gets me is the inconsistancies when McCaw does something and doesn't get pinged but Smith gets done doing less flagrant things.

Jourbert had a mare of a game in Auckland. That's is easy enough to see. It didn't cost Australia the game (we are our own worse enemies) but it certainly didn't help.
 

Te Kaha

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Talk about Sour grapes!!! why does a story like this ALWAYS come out just before a test match .. Last time it was Woodcock.. this time McCaw... its so predictable...

I wonder how many of these "offsides" for joining the wrong side of the ruck are a result of him making the tackle???? you did know that the tackler can get up and play the ball from the "wrong" side of the ruck dont you???

And why is there no mention of the thugish antics of both Waugh and Smith for Australia over the years...

Australian Rugby media is nothing if not predictable...

Oh and Para your posts were deleted because they breached the forum guidlines... and not by me.
 

Parra

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I'm not complaining - just stating what happened.

"you did know that the tackler can get up and play the ball from the "wrong" side of the ruck dont you???" You do know that once the ruck is formed, even the tackler has to abide - see the last Wallaby / South Africa test for an example where Brown was not only penalised for not coming through the gate (yes - he was the tackler) he was also yellow-carded.
 

Parra

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No doubt about that whatsoever.

He does not deserve to be a protected species though.
 

Thomas

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Talk about Sour grapes!!! why does a story like this ALWAYS come out just before a test match .. Last time it was Woodcock.. this time McCaw... its so predictable...

It happens to all teams. How many times do we see a "aussie scrum cheats" headline in NZ and SA before a game? Plenty.

I wonder how many of these "offsides" for joining the wrong side of the ruck are a result of him making the tackle???? you did know that the tackler can get up and play the ball from the "wrong" side of the ruck dont you???

Not if a ruck forms. You can't tackle the player. Lie so you are blocking the ball and then get up and play the ball while there is a ruck going on. Richie is great at doing this. Borderline stuff and what a good flanker should do.

And why is there no mention of the thugish antics of both Waugh and Smith for Australia over the years...

Thuggish? What have they done now... :lol:

I'm not denying Richie is a great player. He is...and an even better captain. But only a seriously one-eyed kiwi would deny he gets the rub of the green from certain refs.

I hope Kaplan goes to town on him.
 

Te Kaha

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I'm not complaining - just stating what happened.

"you did know that the tackler can get up and play the ball from the "wrong" side of the ruck dont you???" You do know that once the ruck is formed, even the tackler has to abide - see the last Wallaby / South Africa test for an example where Brown was not only penalised for not coming through the gate (yes - he was the tackler) he was also yellow-carded.

Thats right... but how many of those "entering from the wrong side" instances that the article quotes are a result of the takle??? it doesnt make any assertioans... it has a still photo of him on the wrong side.. doesnt show how he got there...


It happens to all teams. How many times do we see a "aussie scrum cheats" headline in NZ and SA before a game? Plenty.
Rubbish.. there aren't any about Aussie scrum cheats.. its all about how useless the Aussie scrum is... and the dont even come close to the level that Aussie does... It was brilliant when they came up with "woodcock is a myth" ... and then he destroyed their scrum...


Not if a ruck forms. You can't tackle the player. Lie so you are blocking the ball and then get up and play the ball while there is a ruck going on. Richie is great at doing this. Borderline stuff and what a good flanker should do.

As I said.. the article does not give a balanced look at where he came from when each of the pics was taken.... but then it wouldnt fit with their rant if that was the case.


Thuggish? What have they done now... :lol:

I'm not denying Richie is a great player. He is...and an even better captain. But only a seriously one-eyed kiwi would deny he gets the rub of the green from certain refs.

I hope Kaplan goes to town on him.

The stiff arm twins...you are kidding right they are well known for it... both of them are as bad as Matfield for using the stiffarm in the tackles and rucks... differnce is that we dont cry about it in the media like the Aussies do.
 

shiznit

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just a point guys... the tackler has all the rights to the ball... one of the amendments the IRB made to the laws in may this year is that a ref wont call a ruck if the tackler is on his feet attempting playing at the ball.

a ruck will be called when the tackler is off his feet or his hands are off the ball

so the photo's are a load of bullsh*t... because you cant be sure if McCaw was involved in the tackle....
 

Parra

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just a point guys... the tackler has all the rights to the ball... one of the amendments the IRB made to the laws in may this year is that a ref wont call a ruck if the tackler is on his feet attempting playing at the ball.

a ruck will be called when the tackler is off his feet or his hands are off the ball

so the photo's are a load of bullsh*t... because you cant be sure if McCaw was involved in the tackle....


Do you honestly think McCaw just stood there with his hands on the ball while the other four blokes arrived and went to ground?
 
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Aussie media are a bunch of whinging fools...typical of them to start crying over opposition tactics and then start celebrating as if the Wannabies are the best in the world when they win.

Hope they have nothing to write on Sunday...
 

Parra

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Time will tell, and Kaplan.

We'll score more tries. Whether we give you more penalties in range is the issue.
 

Parra

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No doubt Mortlock is a big loss. Wallaby backs lack someone to crash the line the way Mortlock & Tuquiri do. Ashley-Cooper will just have to take the role. Cross & Hynes on the bench as well - but none of them are Mortlock.
 
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No doubt Mortlock is a big loss. Wallaby backs lack someone to crash the line the way Mortlock & Tuquiri do. Ashley-Cooper will just have to take the role. Cross & Hynes on the bench as well - but none of them are Mortlock.

Cross is better than Ashley-Crapper.
 

shiznit

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Do you honestly think McCaw just stood there with his hands on the ball while the other four blokes arrived and went to ground?
have you ever watched a game of rugby before?? it happens all the time...

he may not be able to get it straight away because hes trying to fight off other players trying to clean him out.

but the most likely scenario is that he could be one of 3 or four players involved in the initial tackle and the only one left on his feet...
 

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