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Media Delusion

Qapm

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I'm past blaming McGregor. He's a big problem but the blame is with the club owners and the dolts that extended his contract last year. Let's not forgot those in the media. Still behind the curve.

Can't provide a link because I watched the 06/10/20 Matty Johns Podast on watchnrl.com but an extreme example of media delusion is the three of them agreeing that what the Dragons really need is an "afternoon at the pub".

What the Dragons really need is an afternoon at the SG Leagues club pub when the Gordons are there crying about an impending bankruptcy for WIN Corp. and the current CEO and board members are running around the place looking for silverware and the odd pokie machine to loot because no one in league will ever have anything to do with them again.
 

muzby

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And the lesson for the kiddies reading the forum:


Don’t drink & post.
 

Gareth67

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I would not put it pass those mongrels to do just that bud . The board members that is , come to think of it how often to they actually show their faces ?

I be damned if I would know any of them if I was fighting the beggars for the last roll of Sorbent posterior tissue at my local Coles . :flushed:

As for the players having a good drinking session , well yes why not ? It certainly won’t affect the way they play .
 
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getsmarty

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Inside Dragons’ freefall — from powerhouse to an NRL disgrace ‘devoid of soul’
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Issac Luke of the Dragons looks on during the torrid loss to Canterbury.Source: Getty Images
The once mighty Red V of St George Illawarra stands accused of being inept, devoid of soul and having no DNA.

It would never have happened under the watch of Wayne Bennett, Harry Bath, Norm Provan or Frank Facer.

What sort of reactive powerbrokers call an emergency general meeting and then issue the full support of the board to the coach? Dribble.

Everyone knows it means Paul McGregor will most likely be gone by the middle of next month.

Round 5
Fox Sports can confirm the Dragons directors discussed moving on McGregor on Tuesday - along with his most likely replacement.

The answer is assistant coach Dean Young.

Maybe the directors looked at the draw and realised it was only a matter of time for Mary given their schedule over the next five weeks; arch-rivals Cronulla, the Gold Coast, the Roosters, Canberra and Manly.

The way they’re playing at the moment – like strangers as McGregor put it – the Dragons will be flat out winning one of those games.




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Payout may have saved Mary

There is a view Mary is too hard on his emerging NRL players – Zac Lomax, Matt Dufty, Jason Saab, Tristan Sailor – and too soft on senior players like James Graham, Corey Norman, Tyson Frizell and Tariq Sims.

There’s a story from last year where McGregor intended to axe prop Jeremy Latimore until the old-school front-rower went and sat down in the coach’s office in Wollongong.

The end result was Latimore retained his position in the side.

The soft-serve waffle coming out of their new L-plate CEO might sound nice in a zoom meeting about marketing but in the hostile world of NRL CEOs, player agents, media and coaches he’s going to get barbecued.

Board room politics normally makes most NRL fans glaze over but in this instance it’s important to understand exactly how the decision-makers at St George Illawarra are hiding in the shadows.

There are eight directors on the Red V board – four from WIN Corporation and four from St George.

The St George District Rugby League football side of the board room is Peter Doust, Craig Young, Ralph Piggot and Peter Black.

The WIN directors are chairman Andrew Gordon, Andrew Lancaster, Craig Osborne and Graham Gulloch.

Doust – the one-time Dragons CEO famous for brining Wayne Bennett to the club – has recently returned to the board this year.

This is said to have unsettled the multi-millionaire boss of WIN Corporation and 50 per cent owner of St George Illawarra Bruce Gordon.

Gordon has been associated with the Illawarra Steelers since their inception into the old NSW Rugby League competition in 1982.

He’s now 91 and worth around $800 million.

Nothing happens on the WIN Corp side of the board room without his approval.

To terminate McGregor the board needs the numbers to be at least 5-3 but like in the old Wests Tigers days traditionally voting sits aligned with the St George four and the Illawarra four.

The question all Red V fans now want answered is how much longer for Mary?

McGregor keeps referencing how the Dragons finished one game shy of the game to get into the grand final in 2018 – which they did.


And they went down swinging in extra time against South Sydney in a field-goal shoot out.

But the more damning statistics now doing the rounds are the sequences of losing streaks during McGregor’s seven-year tenure in Wollongong.

McGregor holds the unwanted tag of the longest losing streak in the 21-year history of the joint venture club with seven consecutive losses from 2015.

More recently there’s another two sets of five consecutive losses last season when the Dragons finished 15th.

If the Dragons want a different result, some energy in terms of line speed and someone looking to intentionally rattle the opposition, the coach needs to shake-up his side like Bulldogs coach Dean Pay and Gold Coast coach Justin Holbrook did last week.

The young guns like Saab, Ford, Jacob Host and Billy Britain are surely due for a crack. They’ve got nothing to lose.

The reputation of one of the most decorated clubs in rugby league is already pulverised.


https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...v/news-story/36fef3f6f9d63d075deaee7520adf854
 

grouch

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Inside Dragons’ freefall — from powerhouse to an NRL disgrace ‘devoid of soul’
Dragons
james_hooper.jpg

2c03670341d2b1e25259c59ffd605d78

Issac Luke of the Dragons looks on during the torrid loss to Canterbury.Source: Getty Images
The once mighty Red V of St George Illawarra stands accused of being inept, devoid of soul and having no DNA.

It would never have happened under the watch of Wayne Bennett, Harry Bath, Norm Provan or Frank Facer.

What sort of reactive powerbrokers call an emergency general meeting and then issue the full support of the board to the coach? Dribble.

Everyone knows it means Paul McGregor will most likely be gone by the middle of next month.

Round 5
Fox Sports can confirm the Dragons directors discussed moving on McGregor on Tuesday - along with his most likely replacement.

The answer is assistant coach Dean Young.

Maybe the directors looked at the draw and realised it was only a matter of time for Mary given their schedule over the next five weeks; arch-rivals Cronulla, the Gold Coast, the Roosters, Canberra and Manly.

The way they’re playing at the moment – like strangers as McGregor put it – the Dragons will be flat out winning one of those games.




775907_640x360_large_20200609175822.jpg

Payout may have saved Mary

There is a view Mary is too hard on his emerging NRL players – Zac Lomax, Matt Dufty, Jason Saab, Tristan Sailor – and too soft on senior players like James Graham, Corey Norman, Tyson Frizell and Tariq Sims.

There’s a story from last year where McGregor intended to axe prop Jeremy Latimore until the old-school front-rower went and sat down in the coach’s office in Wollongong.

The end result was Latimore retained his position in the side.

The soft-serve waffle coming out of their new L-plate CEO might sound nice in a zoom meeting about marketing but in the hostile world of NRL CEOs, player agents, media and coaches he’s going to get barbecued.

Board room politics normally makes most NRL fans glaze over but in this instance it’s important to understand exactly how the decision-makers at St George Illawarra are hiding in the shadows.

There are eight directors on the Red V board – four from WIN Corporation and four from St George.

The St George District Rugby League football side of the board room is Peter Doust, Craig Young, Ralph Piggot and Peter Black.

The WIN directors are chairman Andrew Gordon, Andrew Lancaster, Craig Osborne and Graham Gulloch.

Doust – the one-time Dragons CEO famous for brining Wayne Bennett to the club – has recently returned to the board this year.

This is said to have unsettled the multi-millionaire boss of WIN Corporation and 50 per cent owner of St George Illawarra Bruce Gordon.

Gordon has been associated with the Illawarra Steelers since their inception into the old NSW Rugby League competition in 1982.

He’s now 91 and worth around $800 million.

Nothing happens on the WIN Corp side of the board room without his approval.

To terminate McGregor the board needs the numbers to be at least 5-3 but like in the old Wests Tigers days traditionally voting sits aligned with the St George four and the Illawarra four.

The question all Red V fans now want answered is how much longer for Mary?

McGregor keeps referencing how the Dragons finished one game shy of the game to get into the grand final in 2018 – which they did.


And they went down swinging in extra time against South Sydney in a field-goal shoot out.

But the more damning statistics now doing the rounds are the sequences of losing streaks during McGregor’s seven-year tenure in Wollongong.

McGregor holds the unwanted tag of the longest losing streak in the 21-year history of the joint venture club with seven consecutive losses from 2015.

More recently there’s another two sets of five consecutive losses last season when the Dragons finished 15th.

If the Dragons want a different result, some energy in terms of line speed and someone looking to intentionally rattle the opposition, the coach needs to shake-up his side like Bulldogs coach Dean Pay and Gold Coast coach Justin Holbrook did last week.

The young guns like Saab, Ford, Jacob Host and Billy Britain are surely due for a crack. They’ve got nothing to lose.

The reputation of one of the most decorated clubs in rugby league is already pulverised.


https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...v/news-story/36fef3f6f9d63d075deaee7520adf854
images
 

Qapm

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The once mighty Red V of St George Illawarra stands accused of being inept, devoid of soul and having no DNA.
The reputation of one of the most decorated clubs in rugby league is already pulverised.
I take it all back, a good session at the pub will fix all of that!!
 
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Hooper makes many good points and obviously has the ear of a few younger players. Might get shouted down here but as much as we are decrying the ability of the backs to score points and the halves to generate wins, the forwards are just as culpable. There was effort against the Dogs to be sure, especially early on. But the effectiveness of some of the big-name forwards has been blunt to be super kind. I would be inclined to give Cam McInnes a pass for now after a long stretch on the sideline. He needs to find timing and rhythm. There shouldn't be any excuses for our Origin-quality forwards. Kerr was quiet last week until late in the game but we must persist with the one middle forward who has the legs to run through gaps.

When was the last time we saw a dynamic performance from Sims, Vaughan or Frizell? Sims' expression in the sheds on Monday led me to question his mentality and whether he's as much of a fan of the coach as James Graham is. As a pack they always get through the work but the quality is often lacking. Metres are taken and offloads come at times but it's usually one-out stuff with no real purpose to it. Second phases are telegraphed and slow. Maybe it's the lack of support play but they all seem to want to absorb the initial contact and spin around to offload as a default, rather than trying to get over the top of defenders to pass to supports moving through at speed The same could be said of Frizell. When was the last time any of these guys generated a line break with a nice run/pass through the line? This pack should be threatening the middle of the field far more than they do with the likes of Ravalawa, Dufty, Norman and Hunt right behind them sniffing out holes.

Maybe it's a bit harsh. In just about every game this year they have played longer without the ball and been forced to make too many tackles. Mistakes from outside men have ensured a lack of possession. But these problems existed in previous seasons too, they're not new. Frankly, had Sims not been out injured he should have been dropped.
 

piesplusreturns

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The thing that gives me the shuts about the media is this line that they trot out about St George supporters being the most passionate in the comp. It's a backhanded complement - a pat on the head - allowing them to dismiss any criticism that comes from us.

Show me any fan that likes their team losing. Show me any fan that would be okay with the team going backwards. Show me any fan that would be comfortable with a 30-year premiership drought and the prospect of another one.
 
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Dragonsamy

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And the lesson for the kiddies reading the forum:


Don’t drink & post.

No the real lesson for the children is not to listen to anything that Muzby says because it'll be stupid and just bagging someone as usual.
 
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Coffs dragon

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The latest in The Australian is L Plate CEO hasn’t even seen Gus’s Report.

Now that’s a CEO who is on top of things.
Mind you, Gus’s Clayton review was done for former CEO Brian Johnston along with McJetski. This was done end of season 2019 and our current L-Plate CEO only commenced in April 2020.
That review on a bus ticket was probably long buried by our inept Chairman & Board.
 

ChocOConnor

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Again I will repeat myself there was no review done.

Gus had a chat with Mcinnes and Graham and that was it. He then recommended Flanno. That’s it.

We have been spun a lie that is up there with the CCP and Covid19.

If I am wrong or lying I ask anyone who was present at the review to message me and give me the right story cause I have the truth but can’t say much.

why do you think Gus has blocked any attempt by anyone asking about it.
I asked him and put some details in which only he would know on Twitter and he blocks me.
 

Coffs dragon

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I don't know about that. If you took over the management of a business, knowing there had been a much publicised review of that business, wouldn't you want to see a copy ASAP?
Probably wouldn’t care knowing the position was simply to be a puppet of the Chairman & yet paid very well to cover up with marketing spin.
 

Dragonsamy

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One said his salary us under our cap.
Then they give him 4 weeks.
If they can't pay him out now how can they in 4 weeks.
Who do you believe.

Jeff
Unless I'm wrong and I'm sure someone will correct me if so.
The coach salary is not under the NRL salary cap.
Neither is the medical staff ect
 
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