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Melbourne Storm after better TV slots

meltiger

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Yes, which is where we need the IC to be strong in the negotiations and ensure any such behaviour is a deal breaker
 

docbrown

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Every time 9 runs 2 games simultaneously in NSW & QLD at 7:30pm, any game shown after 11:30pm is in breach of the rules.

The problem is the NRL has just copped it. You'd have hoped that Conroy would have made it 4 hours MAXIMUM but mandatory start before the original coverage has ended (i.e 9:30pm).

The NRL needs to get live games on digital tv in Southern States. Anything else is a failure.
 

simostorm

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I think im gunna have to start a rally.. a demonstration.. takin it back to the good ol days..

Protest against Channel 9.. take it to the streets man..
 
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Viewers beware: devil in detail of anti-siphoning changes
Roy Masters
November 27, 2010
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-of-antisiphoning-changes-20101126-18amp.html

THE federal government's changes to the anti-siphoning list are being promulgated as a victory for free-to-air TV but the devil is in the detail for the viewer.

The fine print reveals Channel Nine can continue to show NRL games on delay, including treating Victorian fans with contempt by screening them after midnight, while the AFL can now sell their third- and fourth-best games to pay TV.

Three NRL games and four AFL games have been quarantined from pay TV on the government's B list where games can be shown up to four hours on delay on free-to-air, including a network's high-definition multi-channels.

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Based on Channel Nine's past programming of rugby league, its two Friday night matches will be flip-flopped, allowing the network to load up the delayed telecast on its prime channel with commercials.

It is unlikely Nine would show either game on its digital channels, which are aimed at a non-sports demographic.

This means Melbourne fans will continue to see the NRL's best two games in the early hours.

Of course, the NRL can insist in its next broadcasting contract scheduled, to begin in 2013, that these games be telecast live into the developing states on the digital channels.

More than a decade ago, the then Melbourne Storm executive director John Ribot protested to the NRL over Nine showing movies in Victoria when its contract stated it should be screening rugby league.

Nothing was done then, and nothing is likely to happen in the future when the broadcaster flouts the rules.

The AFL has been busy promoting the fact Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has insisted their best two games be shown on Friday nights and Saturday nights.

But there has been no comment on the quality of the other two games shown on free-to-air TV.

Foxtel has demanded matches involving top clubs, such as Collingwood and Essendon, in preference to the four passed on by incumbent rights holders, Seven and Ten.

Subscription rates in Victoria are significantly below the national average, and Foxtel argues it needs better games to force fans to sign up.

Foxtel, now allowed to bid directly for four games a week, will pay handsomely for better games when the next contract begins in 2012.

And the AFL needs this extra money to finance its two new clubs, Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney Giants.

Senator Conroy has allowed himself some wriggle room by saying cabinet must approve a ''mechanism'' by which games are shared between pay and free-to-air TV.

Significantly, Foxtel has been reported as opposed to government involvement, obviously confident the AFL will schedule matches to suit the money they have paid.

Earlier this year, the Herald reported Foxtel would be awarded the AFL's third- and fourth-best picks each round but this was denied.

The AFL schedules matches a year in advance but they can allocate two matches to one time and then schedule them to suit the broadcaster.

The NRL allocates matches according to the broadcasters' wishes, first in a six-week block, then an 11-week block, ending the regular season with a four-week block.

Only the two Friday night matches are scheduled simultaneously, allowing Brisbane to watch a Queensland team live and Sydney to see a NSW team live, before swapping them.

It means Nine can choose matches that reflect the teams' positions on the NRL ladder.

In reality, Nine prefers the Broncos, Dragons, Bulldogs and Eels, irrespective of their form.

NRL chief executive David Gallop favours the AFL type fixed season draw, allowing clubs to schedule corporate functions a year ahead.

It is likely the NRL will auction matches at the next TV contract in terms of how much a network will pay for a flexible season draw versus a fixed season draw.

Free-to-air broadcasters will pay more for flexibility. Guess which contract will be accepted.

The loopholes allowed under the anti-siphoning changes threaten to maintain the status quo in rugby league, and disadvantage the AFL fan.
 

simostorm

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Need a fixed season draw.. Channel 9 dictating games is a joke.

This is the time for Gallop to stand up and be counted, or.. flake and go down as the worst CEO in the history of sport lol..
 

Quidgybo

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Need a fixed season draw.

Rolling scheduling is worth a great deal to the networks, especially late in the season as some games lose their commercial value because the competing teams are out of contention. If it comes down to the two best offers being $800m for five years with fixed scheduling or $900m for five years with rolling scheduling (12.5% more), which do you suggest we take? What's the cut off point beyond which you would sacrifice fixed scheduling for the higher dollars? 5% more? 20% more? It's not as simple as demanding we have fixed scheduling and that's it. This is a real tradeoff that the Commission will need to decide whether it can afford (when balanced against the obvious advantages of fixed scheduling)

Leigh.
 
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docbrown

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We need a system that has fixed games and flexible scheduling - so that the biggest games of the year have locked in dates and times - and the others are movable to suit top of the table clashes.
 

Quidgybo

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We need a system that has fixed games and flexible scheduling - so that the biggest games of the year have locked in dates and times - and the others are movable to suit top of the table clashes.
Easy. Fix the schedule for the first 16 or 17 weeks when every team is still in the hunt, giving each team two thirds of their home games scheduled up front. Run an advance schedule of 6 weeks up to round 23. And then schedule the last 3 rounds just one to two weeks in advance like finals matches. Fixed as much as we can get away with and flexible where it suits us.

Leigh
 
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docbrown

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Easy. Fix the schedule for the first 16 or 17 weeks when every team is still in the hunt, giving each team two thirds of their home games scheduled up front. Run an advance schedule of 6 weeks up to round 23. And then schedule the last 3 rounds just one to two weeks in advance like finals matches. Fixed as much as we can get away with and flexible where it suits us.

Leigh

I agree with this format, it's similar to what I've advocated - except I'd say you'd schedule only half the games - so lock in about 5 to 6 out of the 12 home games - and leave 6 to 7 as floating.

If say on a Friday night, you've already locked in Tigers vs Souths @ 7:30pm because you know it gets an audience & a crowd - but then Bulldogs vs Gold Coast is looking to be a top of the table game - then you can move Dogs vs Titans to Friday 7:30pm - and show the other game at 9:30pm.

Or better yet - if the NRL were smart and had the balls - show BOTH live at 7:30pm - one on 9 & the other on Go! - and then swap them over at 9:30pm.

You may get a slight hit on your main channel - but more fans (4 sets) will tune in at the earlier 7:30pm time slot over the 2 channels.

Nine combines their ratings with Go/Gem when its convenient for them. If they do a simultaneous ad airing - showing the same ads on both channels - instead of:

7:30pm game which rates 600,000 metro + 550,000 regional*
9:30pm game which rates 350,000 metro + 300,000 regional*

You'd have something like:

7:30pm 9 game which rates 550,000 metro + 500,000 regional*
7:30pm Go game which rate 450,000 metro + 400,000 regional*
9:30pm 9 game which rates 300,000 metro + 250,000 regional*
9:30pm Go game which rates 250,000 metro + 250,000 regional*

*not including Southern States ratings

As for the talk about Go not being used for sports because it's an "entertainment" channel - hell - sport IS entertainment.
 
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Lambretta

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Man it took alot of reading before I actually understood what this thread was actually about. Big thanks to people that actually linked in articles explaining what was being talked about.

Just one question. With the "double header" are people referring to Friday Night Football each week that has two games, or a specific event where two games are being played at the same venue?
 

Quidgybo

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Friday night football - where playing two games simultaneously starting at 7.30pm EST will force the first of those games to be replayed in minor states earlier (9.30pm EST) than it otherwise would be forced by the four hour rule (11.30pm).

Leigh.
 

Lambretta

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Friday night football - where playing two games simultaneously starting at 7.30pm EST will force the first of those games to be replayed in minor states earlier (9.30pm EST) than it otherwise would be forced by the four hour rule (11.30pm).

Leigh.

Lets assume that the Bulldogs are playing the Dragons and the Broncos are playing the Storm.

Channel 9 in Brisbane will show Broncos v Storm 1st at 7.30 and then the Bulldogs at 9.30

Channel 9 in Sydney will show Bulldogs at 7.30 and the Broncos at 9.30


Channel 9 in Melbourne will show the Broncos game 4 hours after it televises in Sydney meaning the broadcast doesnt have to start until after 1.30am

They will show the Bulldogs game 4 hours after it broadcasts in Brisbane meaning it doesnt have to start until 1.30am

They will either show one on Nine and one on Gem or they will start one game at midnight and the other at 1.30am on the same channel and stick their middle fingers up at everyone.

The only way to stop them is to make them show the FIRST of the two games within 90 minutes of ACTUAL kick off. Anything else will be worked around to the point where everyone gives up.

Channel 9 Melbourne is run by AFL fanatics. They'll find a way to worm their way out of this. You can bank on it.
 

El Diablo

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Channel 9 Melbourne is run by AFL fanatics. They'll find a way to worm their way out of this. You can bank on it.

the merkin that has been screwing RL on 9 in Melbourne will be the new 9 CEO as Gyngell is promoting him

RL will be screwed on 9 everywhere now
 

Quidgybo

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has to be shown within 4 hours of the game being played not televised

Wot he said.

Because both games are played at the same time that means both games have to start in Melbourne by 11.30pm EST. To satisfy that requirement Nine either have to show both games simultaneously on two of their three channels at 11.30pm, or one of the two games has to start earlier at 9.30pm to be able to show them consecutively on one channel and still keep the second game legal.

Leigh
 

docbrown

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If the NRL management doesn't get live coverage in Southern States on digital and fails to barter one of the 5 non-covered games to get a 4th F2A game, then there will be no excuses this time.

The NRL will have failed.
 

docbrown

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Wot he said.

Because both games are played at the same time that means both games have to start in Melbourne by 11.30pm EST. To satisfy that requirement Nine either have to show both games simultaneously on two of their three channels at 11.30pm, or one of the two games has to start earlier at 9.30pm to be able to show them consecutively on one channel and still keep the second game legal.

Leigh

Exactly and if it doesn't happen, the NRL should actually DO SOMETHING about it.
 

Quidgybo

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Exactly and if it doesn't happen, the NRL should actually DO SOMETHING about it.
They won't have to. The Commonwealth will prosecute them under anti syphoning. These coverage obligations are not contractual, it's the law.

Leigh
 

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