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Memphis Grizzlies

Ridders

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What a dysfunctional organization.

You have to love a team that is willing to pick up Randolph's monster contract that seemed untradable plus pay A.I when no one else wanted to, yet refuse to pay an emerging stud in Gay.

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Rudy will now become a restricted free agent at the end of the season.

Oh and as for that dude they took with the second overall pick in the draft, ummmm, where is he?
 
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He is on the bench.... and rarely gets court time LOL...

*edit* Hasheem Thabeet?

I find Memphis a hard team to watch... They can be so great for the first half then so bad in the second.... Shoot 35/50 in the first and 10/50 in the second...
 

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Thabeet doesn't get court time because they know he will get owned if they put him out there. The guy is such an unbelievably limited player. He'll be lucky if he can end up being a poor-mans Dikembe Mutumbo, not something you really want from your No.2 overall pick.
 

McLovin

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As hopeless as they are...They have some good run n' gun style players on that team. If they can get their sh*t together, they'd be really fun to watch...
 

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I can't blame them for not extending Gay - at the end of the day he's a fairly one dimensional player - he jacks up shots, never passes and doesn't play defence. Yeah, as a third banana he's alright, but without knowing his market value why pay potentially overs? He'll be a restricted free agent next year so they'll be able to match any offer, or sign and trade him to get something back, so it's far from the end of the world.

As for the rest of the Grizz, they're an intriguing team, but it's the front office that's the problem. The firesale for Gasol only to trade for Randolph, the signing of AI when you've finally committed to Conley, letting Hakim Warrick go for nothing, I mean come on....
 

Special K

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Thabeet needs time.

A Mayo, Gay, Conley and Thabeet core isn't that bad. They really need to make some traes and pick a direction though. Adding AI and Randolph was painful. They are like a team in a NBA2K game where you send all the bad contracts just to even out trades.
 

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I can't blame them for not extending Gay - at the end of the day he's a fairly one dimensional player - he jacks up shots, never passes and doesn't play defence. Yeah, as a third banana he's alright, but without knowing his market value why pay potentially overs? He'll be a restricted free agent next year so they'll be able to match any offer, or sign and trade him to get something back, so it's far from the end of the world.

I'd rather pay overs for Gay rather then take Randolph's contract. Plus Gay is far more attractive trade bait than Randolph, who no one will want to touch. I will admit that a Gay + Mayo combo doesn't work, something that was found out last season. At least if you try and comprimise with Gay and pay him 12 million, you have a nice piece who you can move to further your team. Another issue is that as next year is the Summer of Lebron, there are going to be plenty of teams with plenty of cap space, which makes the Grizzlies chances of keeping him harder.

As for the rest of the Grizz, they're an intriguing team, but it's the front office that's the problem. The firesale for Gasol only to trade for Randolph, the signing of AI when you've finally committed to Conley, letting Hakim Warrick go for nothing, I mean come on....

Your right about the Gasol vs Randolph issue, imo the most under-rated aftermath of the whole Gasol trade. The logic for the Pau trade was that they wanted to save money. While it was a woeful trade, at least it fit into the cost saving reason. Then they fly in the face of that by acquiring effing Randolph for a truck load of money.

Imo the Randolph acquisiton makes the Gasol trade a million times worse.
 

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I think the signing of AI for something like 3 mil is a small price to pay for the marketing value he'd bring to the team. Could be wrong though. I haven't seen the attendance records, jersey sales, ect. But there's no doubt they entered the season with alot more interest than previous years...

Thabeet needs time. In terms of development, the centre position is generally the slowest of the lot. He has the tools to be a good defensive style centre...

On the 2K10 front, i haven't seen the team rating but i'd hash a guess and say they'd be a pretty decent overall team...with AI and Randolph upping the offensive rating and the development of the younger guys...
 

McLovin

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On the Gasol trade. That was just Jerry West giving his beloved Lakers a leg-up...nothing more...
 

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I'd rather pay overs for Gay rather then take Randolph's contract. Plus Gay is far more attractive trade bait than Randolph, who no one will want to touch. I will admit that a Gay + Mayo combo doesn't work, something that was found out last season. At least if you try and comprimise with Gay and pay him 12 million, you have a nice piece who you can move to further your team. Another issue is that as next year is the Summer of Lebron, there are going to be plenty of teams with plenty of cap space, which makes the Grizzlies chances of keeping him harder.
See, I just don't understand that, it's using that kind of logic that left Randolph with a $16m contract! There is no way that a lone gunner is worth $12m, particularly in this economy. If he ends up leaving next year, they might regret it, but if he doesn't develop from here he isn't worth that sort of money - and if he gets that money and doesn't develop he WON'T be easy to move.

If Rondo, who was THE piece in leading the Celtics to the title, gets about $11m a year, then Gay has to be in the $7m - $8m range. If he thinks he's better / can get more, then you roll the dice with him. Worrying about someone else possibly sweeping in in twelve months time isn't the way to go about it.
 

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See, I just don't understand that, it's using that kind of logic that left Randolph with a $16m contract! There is no way that a lone gunner is worth $12m, particularly in this economy. If he ends up leaving next year, they might regret it, but if he doesn't develop from here he isn't worth that sort of money - and if he gets that money and doesn't develop he WON'T be easy to move.

If Rondo, who was THE piece in leading the Celtics to the title, gets about $11m a year, then Gay has to be in the $7m - $8m range. If he thinks he's better / can get more, then you roll the dice with him. Worrying about someone else possibly sweeping in in twelve months time isn't the way to go about it.
Agree 100%, i think Memphis did the right thing with Gay
 

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Well Lamarcus Aldridge got 65 mill over 5 years and he's a big who hits jump shots and averages 7 rebounds a game, so I think using Rondo's contract as a point of reference is a bit off.

Btw I think Rondo at $11 million a year is unders, he's worth more than that imo.
 

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See, I just don't understand that, it's using that kind of logic that left Randolph with a $16m contract! There is no way that a lone gunner is worth $12m, particularly in this economy. If he ends up leaving next year, they might regret it, but if he doesn't develop from here he isn't worth that sort of money - and if he gets that money and doesn't develop he WON'T be easy to move.

My argument is wholly based on the fact that you don't acquire Randolph in the first place. If I have the choice of paying Gay 12 million or acquiring for Zach "The Black-hole" Randolph for 16 million, I know what my choice is going to be.
 

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Well Lamarcus Aldridge got 65 mill over 5 years and he's a big who hits jump shots and averages 7 rebounds a game, so I think using Rondo's contract as a point of reference is a bit off.

Btw I think Rondo at $11 million a year is unders, he's worth more than that imo.
Rondo's deal is $11m a year, Aldridge's is $13m. Split the difference and it's $12m, which is what you said to pay Gay, so there's the relevance.
My argument is wholly based on the fact that you don't acquire Randolph in the first place. If I have the choice of paying Gay 12 million or acquiring for Zach "The Black-hole" Randolph for 16 million, I know what my choice is going to be.
I'm not arguing about picking up Randolph or not, my point was that just extending a guy because you can, without establishing his market value, and based on the premise that "someone might pay more next year" is exactly what Portland did to Randolph. They gave him a 6 year, $84m contract - to a guy that doesn't pass or play defence. With hindsight, would Portland make that move again?
 

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Rondo's deal is $11m a year, Aldridge's is $13m. Split the difference and it's $12m, which is what you said to pay Gay, so there's the relevance.

My point is that you were saying that the fact that Rondo got $11 million makes the notion of Gay getting $12 million ridiculous. I would agree with that except that if a big who doesn't play inside can get $13 million, I don't see why it's such a stretch to say that a talented gunner like Gay couldn't get $12 million next year.

You can't use Rondo's as the benchmark without also acknowledging that imo a significantly inferior player in Lamarcus got paid $10 million more over the life of the contract. I look at it from the view-point that one of the deals was a bargain while one of them was paying overs. I don't see $12 million for Gay as being too bad a deal, even with the economy as it is.

Also the fact that in my opinion it is almost for certain that one of the teams, with cap space, that misses out on a player of the Lebron, Wade, Bosh or Amarie calibre is going to over-react by paying for someone like Gay. Just my opinion tbh.

I'm not arguing about picking up Randolph or not, my point was that just extending a guy because you can, without establishing his market value, and based on the premise that "someone might pay more next year" is exactly what Portland did to Randolph. They gave him a 6 year, $84m contract - to a guy that doesn't pass or play defence. With hindsight, would Portland make that move again?

No Portland don't make that move. Then again, I don't think Gay is the same black-hole that Randolph was/is. Plus Gay isn't the same locker room cancer that Zach has become famous for.

In the end my argument totally hinges on them being willing to take on Randolph's woeful contract, and killing the future of your team, and then not being willing to pay a young stud like Gay. If Memphis don't already have Zach on their books, paying Gay is a much different proposition.
 
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I think the signing of AI for something like 3 mil is a small price to pay for the marketing value he'd bring to the team. Could be wrong though. I haven't seen the attendance records, jersey sales, ect. But there's no doubt they entered the season with alot more interest than previous years...

See I didn't like A.I going to Memphis, but at least it doesn't cripple the team financially like the Zach trade as Iverson's on small doe for only one season. The problem I see is that Iverson's out there to prove all his doubters from last season wrong. With that mentality in mind, him coming of the bench to spell a young back-court is hardly an ideal situation. Sure his numbers will be good, but his presence will do little to aid Conley and Mayo in their progression.

I do see the marketing side of things and am pretty sure that was the primary reason to signing him, more so than any basketball sense.

Thabeet needs time. In terms of development, the centre position is generally the slowest of the lot. He has the tools to be a good defensive style centre...

I guess time will tell but I'm convinced Thabeet will be a bust. It sounds crazy due to how much I rip him, but Hasheem was actually my favourite college baller last season. Watching him play was liking watching men amongst boys. Then came the match up when it was men against men (match-up with Blair) and he got man handled. It's only one game, but it highlighted that despite his size, he's not that strong.

I'm sure his rebounding and shot blocking prowess will keep him relevant but I just can't get past how bad he is offensively. Imo what he will eventually become will not justify him going so high in the draft.

The again I could very well be wrong about him. Time will tell.
 
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I don't know why I get so fired up about the Memphis Grizzlies of all teams. I think there's something wrong with me :crazy:
 
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I hate them.

They were the last leg in a 10 leg multi i had going yesterday and they failed against a sh!t Golden State team.

Useless.
 

Special K

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11 mill is not unders for a guy with a career average of 9.6 ppg and 5.8 ass for a pg playing with 3 of the best players of the last 15 years!!!!
 

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