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Montoya suspended for four matches

WellsNZ

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Those are all very good points.

The issue isn't the four weeks - it's the leniency elsewhere. Especially to me about drink driving. That's a conscious decision to do something that kills people. If anything needs stamping out, it's that

They should stamp that out big time for sure. They should slam the f**k out of people drink driving.

I just don't think "well drink driving only got this" makes for an argument for why Montoya got treated unfairly here like I've seen many try to frame it. It's the inverse for me, it supports the argument for why drink driving should be punished more. Because it should be.
 
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Just wait for a tranny (not sure the correct term) wanting to play league.

There was a 800m runner i recall.
Castya? I think she was actually a hermaphrodite. Not sure.

Anyway, the punishment is disgusting. Will Chambers can say whatever he likes about someone's family and get 0 weeks, but Montoya gets a month off for using a throwaway insult which he obviously didn't truly mean. It's a massive overreaction. This era sucks.
 

Blair

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The LGBTI+ community have had a mountain of support from the general populace through the years but they risk some resentment now when it comes to decisions like this Montoya one.

Now there's poor Marcelo, having to explain that he's not 'homophobic'. I was just thinking today, wouldn't it be great if a large amount of fans boycotted Sunday's Roosters v Warriors game in protest at the NRL's overreach?
 
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If I said what he said in the office, I would be sacked. Not ‘have a paid holiday for 4 weeks’, but ‘return to you desk, pack your things and be marched to the door’.

Same would go for DD, cocaine use and smashing someone in the face so the earlier comments about consistency are right, but I agree with WellsNZ view that they have got this one right and the others wrong, rather than the other way around.
 

Benek

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"Throughout history, there have been three that have been punished that we can find in Barry Ward, who was fined $10,000, which was later reduced to $5,000 on appeal," Gould explained.

"Bryan Fletcher, who was fined $10,000 and stood down by his club for one game - that was not a direction of the judiciary.

"Paul Gallen received a $10,000 fine for racial vilification in 2009.

"I have no problem going forward if the NRL make a rule that any racial or homophobic slur on the field of this nature, is going to incur a four-week suspension.

"But no player running around on the field of play last weekend would have been aware of the fact that such a slur if picked up and charged, would get a four-week suspension.

"In the past, these sort of things have been dealt with by fines.

"It's fine for the league to say that from now on, 'if you do this we're not going to put up with it' - and we shouldn't - it's going to be a four-week suspension."

Gould said in the aftermath of Montoya's ban, he reached out to former player turned judge Paul Conlon, who said the crime didn't fit the punishment of the contrary conduct charge.

"I've actually spoken to Judge Paul Conlon about this, who used to be judiciary chairman. He was of the view that dealing with this matter under contrary conduct, that it was rather harsh to issue a four-week penalty now, given the players did not know that racial or homophobic slurs would be dealt in that matter," Gould said.

"The past and precedent was always a fine.

"Marcelo Montoya should've been pretty much treated the same way as those on this occasion, and say we're not going to tolerate this anymore from now on... we're not going to have this in the game, and then you've made your statement.

"But for some judiciary members and the judiciary chairman this time to suddenly turn around and say we need to do something about this now, therefore will make an example of you and suspend you... I think is rather harsh in this context.

"It wasn't intended in the context that word would normally be used. It was used in that specific sense of that part of the game, but people will take offence to it and they're right to take offence to it.

"It needs to be stamped out. It can't be said, it's as simple as that.

"At the end of the day, Montoya deserved a penalty and the game cannot have this in the game. We all agree on that.

"But to suddenly pluck four weeks without warning, I think it can be argued that it's unfair to the player.

"It certainly sent a message to the players."

 

JJ

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If I said what he said in the office, I would be sacked. Not ‘have a paid holiday for 4 weeks’, but ‘return to you desk, pack your things and be marched to the door’.

Same would go for DD, cocaine use and smashing someone in the face so the earlier comments about consistency are right, but I agree with WellsNZ view that they have got this one right and the others wrong, rather than the other way around.
Yep, agree for the most part
But as always, troubling that the NRL is making things up in an ad hoc inconsistent manner as they go.
 

Meth

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The LGBTI+ community have had a mountain of support from the general populace through the years but they risk some resentment know when it comes to decisions like this Montoya one.

Now there's poor Marcelo, having to explain that he's not 'homophobic'. I was just thinking today, wouldn't it be great if a large amount of fans boycotted Sunday's Roosters v Warriors game in protest at the NRL's overreach?

To be fair, i don't think its the LGBTI+ community driving this response and while Montoya may not have used it in a totally homophobic way (he wasn't calling Feldt gay, he was calling him weak), it is undoubtedly used primarily as a homophobic term
 

Leber

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Its simple: if you are gunna come down hard on gay slurs, you need to come down on ALL slurs.

Calling someone a fat f**k (offensive to overweight people) should also be a 4 week ban
Calling someone the C word (offensive to women) should also be a 4 week ban
Calling someone a re-turd (offensive to special needs people) should also be a 4 week ban
Calling someone a general, personal insult (offensive to the person based on circumstance) should also be a 4 week ban

Otherwise, your are basically saying that members of the LGBT community are more important than other sections of society and they deserve protection whereas other minorities don't.
 
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Leber

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Also, I wonder how feldt feels about all of this. He probably didn't even care at the time and now every man and his dog are weighing in
 

Penrose Warrior

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If I said what he said in the office, I would be sacked. Not ‘have a paid holiday for 4 weeks’, but ‘return to you desk, pack your things and be marched to the door’.

Same would go for DD, cocaine use and smashing someone in the face so the earlier comments about consistency are right, but I agree with WellsNZ view that they have got this one right and the others wrong, rather than the other way around.
I don't know what sort of office you work in, but I'd imagine it's very different to an NRL field. Probably best to compare apples to apples. Sledging someone would get you fired too, or at least disciplined.

I still disagree that they've got this right. You can send a message without making it four weeks. A fine and community service would hurt a lot more than missing weeks. Maybe one week, a hefty fine and requirement to do time in an LGBTQ+ chosen environment where he has to talk to them about the destruction that sort of casual homophobia can do.

I don't want it to seem like I'm being dismissive of the impact of it. It was a pathetic thing for a grown man to say. But I still think 4 weeks is harsh for what it amounted to. If Feldt was gay, absolutely - then it was targeted. But 4 weeks for a flippant, ignorant, dumb comment without targeted malice, I think my resolution above fits better. Yeah it does draw a line in the sand, and probably sends a clear message. But that could have been done in other ways.
 

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