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aarondoyle

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21196627-5000940,00.html

Victory stance grounds for war

By Ellen Whinnett
February 09, 2007
THE Victoria Government has threatened to seek a rival A-League team for Melbourne if Melbourne Victory snubs a planned new rectangular stadium and signs with Telstra Dome.

Major projects minister Theo Theophanous said last night the state government would approach Football Federation Australia to bring a second team to Melbourne if Victory refused to commit to the $190 million rectangular stadium the government plans to build at Edwin Flack Field.
The threat comes after talks between Victory and the government failed to resolve the deadlock over the proposed stadium, which would house the NRL's Melbourne Storm, the AFL's Melbourne and, the government hopes, the A-League's Victory.
Theophanous confirmed last night that Victory chairman Geoff Lord had suggested to him this week that the government abandon the planned stadium and instead spend $50 million modifying Telstra Dome to better showcase sports that use rectangular playing fields.
The government rejected the proposal and Theophanous reaffirmed its commitment to building the new stadium, at an increased size of at least 27,500 seats.
"I made it clear to him that we would be building the stadium," Theophanous said.
He said he would not let Victory's "sweetheart arrangement" with Telstra Dome stop the government building the stadium, which is already months behind schedule.
"If Melbourne Victory does not want to go in, we would approach the FFA and if, soccer continued to be popular, ask them to consider a second team," Theophanous said.
"We would approach the FFA and see if there is a potential for a second team for Melbourne."
Theophanous said the FFA had to sign off on any deal done by the Victory, and his understanding was the FFA supported building a specialised stadium for sports that required a rectangular pitch.
The privately owned Melbourne Victory was founded by Lord two seasons ago.
After winning this season's A-League minor premiership, Victory will host the grand final on Sunday week in a game which is expected to see more than 50,000 fans packed into Telstra Dome.
Victory, which this season moved from the 16,000-capacity Olympic Park to Telstra Dome because of increased crowds, initially supported a new 20,000-seat stadium.
But it now says a much bigger stadium is needed, as it averages 30,000 fans a game.
The government promises to expand the venue to hold 27,500 fans have so far failed to break the negotiations deadlock.
Lord refused to detail his preferred choice of stadium.
But he said he had suggested to the Government it keep the $150 million it had promised for the rectangular stadium, and instead spend it on health, water or education services.
"It was an idea, one of several discussed," Lord said.
"It was only one option but the point was made the money could be redeployed on water, health and education.
"The government was non-committal."
Lord said the government could instead spend $50 million reconfiguring Telstra Dome, where Victory plans to play its next two seasons.
He said with the AFL due to take over Telstra Dome in 2025, the government would need to seek permanent access arrangements at the Dome, and sub-lease to clubs such as Victory.
"We asked for a 40,000-seat stadium," he said. "I think the government is probably of the view to build a smaller one.
"Some people say, 'If you're going to have a smaller stadium, you can just put the prices up'. But our members and supporters come first for us."
Under an A-League agreement, no second team can be brought into Melbourne until after 2010.
But this is unlikely to worry the government as the planned stadium would not be completed until at least 2009.
A clause that requires compensation to be paid to Telstra Dome if a large stadium is built in Melbourne expires in 2010.
Victory attracted an A-League record 50,033 fans to the round 16 match against Sydney FC at the Dome in December.
Last Sunday 47,400 watched the club clinch its place in the grand final with a 2-1 triumph against Adelaide United.

Seem to be serious about building something.
 

LESStar58

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Indeed..... it's also a timnely reminder to the Victory that they have to be around a bit longer before they can start making massive demands like upgrading Telstra DOme!
 

BrisVegas

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http://www.theage.com.au/news/soccer/30000-goal-for-stadium/2007/02/19/1171733685883.html
30,000 goal for stadium

February 20, 2007

MELBOURNE'S proposed rectangular stadium could yet be increased to 30,000 seats, but soccer officials concede that figure is the maximum Melbourne Victory fans can hope for at their new home ground.

Sunday night's crowd of 55,436 at Telstra Dome for the A-League grand final highlighted the concerns of soccer officials, who fear the Victory's growing popularity could be stymied under the original plans for a new stadium capable of housing 20,000 to 25,000 spectators.

After pressure from the Victory and soccer officials, the State Government has investigated ways to increase the capacity to 27,500. The Football Federation of Australia asked the Government to consider a 30,000 capacity and the Government has agreed to investigate.

Premier Steve Bracks said yesterday that a resolution on the stadium size was close.

Football Federation Australia head of operations Matt Carroll said it would not waste its time lobbying for anything larger than a 30,000-seat stadium because "it's just not going to happen".

PETER KER

Sounds like a resolution to this situation is close. A 30k Stadium will give the Storm plenty of room to grow, and one would hope their crowds will increase given the huge step up in facilities compared to Olympic Park. Anything around the 20k mark would likely provide great atmosphere.

The Melbourne Victory are also winners - They could theoretically drive club memberships up by drawing capacity crowds to the new stadium, while still hosting their blockbuster games and any finals at Telstra Dome.
 
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27,500 or 30,000 would be a very good final number if it happens.

I always felt 20,000 was just too small with not enough room for the storm to grow.
 

LESStar58

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As long as this doesn't hold up the Storm getting a new stadium then thats great! Would have loved to have had a decnt stadium for RLW WC 2008!
 

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I still believe 25-27,500 is the right number.

If that's too small, move your blockbusters to TD.

The Victory are kidding themselves if they think they'll keep this crowd average!
 

Rocco

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all i can say is f**k soccer off. they are not doing any favours for both the AFL and melbourne storm.
 

Ice777

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This from today's Herald Sun:


Victory nets stadium goal



A RECTANGULAR stadium capable of catering for up to 34,000 will be the Government's final offer in the 18-month row over the city's newest sports arena.

A Cabinet sub-committee will this week receive a proposal for the Government to pay for the new stadium, at a cost of more than $200 million. It is believed the plan would include seating for 31,000 people.Standing room for up to another 3000 people would be considered after the stadium was built.

Major Projects Minister Theo Theophanous refused to confirm any specifics of the design.
But Mr Theophanous said the Government had agreed to consider a larger stadium after a request from Football Federation Australia.The Government agreed 18 months ago to build a 20,000-seat stadium at Olympic Park to host Melbourne Storm rugby league team, Melbourne Victory soccer team and the Melbourne AFL team.


But Victory's success this year drew big crowds, and the club had refused to sign up to the new stadium, pushing for a much larger venue with a capacity somewhere between 40,000 and 50,000.The Government was frustrated with Victory, saying the club had reneged on its original agreement. Storm and the Demons were also angered by delays to the building of their new home ground, planned for Edwin Flack Field, in the sports area near the MCG.


There was also concern the Government's new stadium could not match the cut-price deal being offered to Victory by cross-town rival Telstra Dome, which hosted several Victory games, including the grand final that drew more than 55,000 two weeks ago.The deal is thought to have included a sweetener in which Telstra Dome would not bill Victory for 9000 people who attended each game, meaning the club could significantly improve its financial returns on the cost of the tickets it sells to those people.


But it now appears likely a compromise will be reached and Victory will sign for the stadium, which is already behind schedule. The Government is thought to be reluctant to include standing areas, for security and safety reasons. But it's believed it may agree to include them after consulting the clubs and police."The Government is looking at all options and is in very close negotiations with Melbourne Victory and Football Federation of Australia about the size of the new stadium," Mr Theophanous said.


"We are looking at an increase in size of the stadium at the request of the FFA. The FFA has asked us to look at a large size and we've done a lot of detailed analysis of that."
Mr Theophanous would not reveal what offers the Government had made to the Victory.
Asked if the Government could match the Telstra Dome offers, the minister said: "We will not provide the stadium at a completely non-commercial basis."The potential compromise deal appeared to mean the Government would abandon its threat to push for a second A-League team for Melbourne if Victory refused to sign up.



http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21299206-2862,00.html



I reckon give these deluded f**kers at the Victory a deadline of a month to either commit to this latest compromise or not. If they don't want to then move straight ahead with building the 27,500 stadium and be done with it. These pricks have already held us up long enough :x
 

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Ice777 said:
I reckon give these deluded f**kers at the Victory a deadline of a month to either commit to this latest compromise or not. If they don't want to then move straight ahead with building the 27,500 stadium and be done with it. These pricks have already held us up long enough :x
i think they have every right. They are standing up for the rights of all rectangular field sports in Victoria, which have been sh*tt on for too long. A city the size of Melbourne, and with such a fanatical soccer following should have a rectangular stadium that holds at least 60,000. But since that's outta the question, it's good to see Victory aren't backing down. If they manage to talk the govt into making it a 40k venue, just think how good that'd be! Sure the first few seasons for the Storm would suck a bit for atmosphere, but in a few years when they're hopefully averaging above 15k it'll be much better. Not to mention it being the perfect venue for Tests, especially like the ANZAC day test.
 

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langpark said:
i think they have every right. They are standing up for the rights of all rectangular field sports in Victoria, which have been sh*tt on for too long. A city the size of Melbourne, and with such a fanatical soccer following should have a rectangular stadium that holds at least 60,000. But since that's outta the question, it's good to see Victory aren't backing down. If they manage to talk the govt into making it a 40k venue, just think how good that'd be! Sure the first few seasons for the Storm would suck a bit for atmosphere, but in a few years when they're hopefully averaging above 15k it'll be much better. Not to mention it being the perfect venue for Tests, especially like the ANZAC day test.


You're dreaming if you think they'll make the stadium 40,000 and nor should they. This is the 3rd time the government has tried to compromise with the Victory but they refuse to come to the party. Like i said if they don't sgree to this latest compromise the Victory can f**k off to Telstra Dome and they can get on with building the stadium.

It should've been well underway by now and it's getting beyond a joke that it isn't. I'm sure you wouldn't be anywhere near as forgiving and understanding of the Victory if it was your side they were holding up in regards to getting a brand new home :roll:
 

langpark

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Ice777 said:
You're dreaming if you think they'll make the stadium 40,000 and nor should they. This is the 3rd time the government has tried to compromise with the Victory but they refuse to come to the party. Like i said if they don't sgree to this latest compromise the Victory can f**k off to Telstra Dome and they can get on with building the stadium.

It should've been well underway by now and it's getting beyond a joke that it isn't. I'm sure you wouldn't be anywhere near as forgiving and understanding of the Victory if it was your side they were holding up in regards to getting a brand new home :roll:
i don't see Victory as the Storm's enemy, their success has made a bigger capacity possible. Even if it is 34k capacity, that still won't be enough, they'll end up playing at Telstra Dome anyway, despite the crap views.

That fact that Storm average about 10,000 and Victory average about 35,000 gives Victory far more bargaining power, or creative control if you like.

As i said from the start, the fact that a city of Melbourne's size doesn't have a rectangular stadium of at least 60k, shows that AFL has the state by the balls and wants to restrict its competition.
 

Lockyer4President!

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langpark said:
As i said from the start, the fact that a city of Melbourne's size doesn't have a rectangular stadium of at least 60k, shows that AFL has the state by the balls and wants to restrict its competition.
I think we all knew that when the Docklands stadium was changed from a 40,000+ rectangular stadium to an oval for the AFL, who will also take over ownership of it in the 2020's iirc (so good luck playing rl/soccer there after that).
 

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Ice777 said:
You're dreaming if you think they'll make the stadium 40,000 and nor should they. This is the 3rd time the government has tried to compromise with the Victory but they refuse to come to the party. Like i said if they don't sgree to this latest compromise the Victory can f**k off to Telstra Dome and they can get on with building the stadium.

It should've been well underway by now and it's getting beyond a joke that it isn't. I'm sure you wouldn't be anywhere near as forgiving and understanding of the Victory if it was your side they were holding up in regards to getting a brand new home :roll:

I'm in agreement with you ice..... the reqtangular stadium is one of the things that has got the NRL to take us seriously and effectively saved Storms arses!

Its time to get a wriggle on with building our stadium! The Victory, despite their success, are in no position to start making demands and f**king people around. They've been here for 2 seasons FFS!
 
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BIGGER STADIUM TO BOOST MELBOURNE’S SPORTING REPUTATION

Melbourne’s next world class stadium will be expanded to accommodate over 31,000 fans thanks to an agreement reached with Melbourne Victory and the Football Federation of Australia.

Premier Steve Bracks said the agreement boosted Melbourne’s credentials to host extra soccer matches such as international ‘friendly’ matches or games against clubs from overseas in addition to matches during the normal A-League season.

“This is the best possible deal for soccer, rugby league and rugby union fans,” Mr Bracks said.

“The new stadium will be a significant addition to Victoria’s world-renowned sporting facilities. For the first time Victoria’s soccer fans will be able to watch A-League games in a purpose-built stadium.”

Mr Bracks said work on the $268 million stadium will begin later this year and is expected to be complete by the end of 2009.

An average of seven soccer games, including Melbourne Victory A League games and other international and national soccer matches, will be played every year at the new stadium. Another five games per year will be played at the Telstra Dome, taking advantage of its capacity to hold crowds of more than 50,000.

Minister for Sport and Recreation, James Merlino, said the announcement was designed to grow soccer in Victoria even further.

“Soccer has enjoyed an amazing 12 months in this state and we hope to strengthen this success with a bigger stadium,” Mr Merlino said.

“The completion of the larger rectangular stadium, together with Telstra Dome and the MCG, will result in Melbourne having the World’s best suite of Stadiums able to cater for all football codes. This will reinforce Melbourne’s reputation as the sporting capital of the nation.”

Minister for Major Projects, Theo Theophanous, said he was pleased the stadium would now be built to provide seating for more than 31,000 fans, up from 20,000 seats as originally planned.

“This will be the best soccer stadium Victoria has ever had. We have worked very hard to design a modern stadium that meets the needs of Melbourne Storm, Melbourne Victory, the Australian Rugby Union, the Football Federation of Australia and the Melbourne Football Club,” Mr Theophanous said.

Melbourne Victory will also join the Bracks Government and the Football Federation of Australia (FFA) in their Victorian Community Football Program. The program will enable Victory players to pass on their knowledge and expertise to school children across Victoria, including in the regions, to ensure future generations of soccer players.

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aarondoyle

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In a way Vicotry have done themselves a great service. They kicked up the stink, the capacity is raised. Now in everyones eyes its a soccer stadium which just happens to have the Storm playing at it.

Overall good news for League though.
 
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aarondoyle said:
In a way Vicotry have done themselves a great service. They kicked up the stink, the capacity is raised. Now in everyones eyes its a soccer stadium which just happens to have the Storm playing at it.

Overall good news for League though.


In the end i think the victory have done rugby league a favour , 20K was going to be way too small IMO.

31K allows good room for growth and if the storm can bump up there crowds to the 20K mark im sure the stadium will have a very good atmoshpere.

No excuses for the strom now , they need to set themselves to filling this stadium .

Personally i think the stadium will be looked upon mostly as the storms home ground , they will be the tennant with the most games there , therefore they are the Major tennant.
 

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http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200705/s1931002.htm

Melbourne to get 31,000-seat stadium

The Victorian Government and the Melbourne Victory Football Club have reached agreement over the size of a new $270 million to be built next to Olympic Park.

The Government initially wanted to build a 20,000-seat stadium but due to the huge growth in Melbourne Victory crowds, capacity will be increased to 31,000.

The rectangular stadium will be used for Melbourne Victory and Melbourne Storm home games and the Melbourne Demons Football Club will use it as a training base.

The stadium will be completed by the end of 2009.
 
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