Mortimer extends deal

[hindy111]

by wau pierce is almsot 10kgs heavier and 5 cm taller than mortimer-Keating is about 5 kgs more.Pretty big difference if ask me

 

[CrazyEel]

Mitchell Pearce? That's your counter-argument?

Yeah - a regular Nathan Hindarsh there. :roll:

Who's Hindarsh?

And no matter how much you want to denigrate Pearce he did represent NSW at 19 did he not? Has your counter argument KK achieved that?

In any case I was referring to your point that 19 is too young for NRL these days. Which is absolute crap, there are at least 20 current NRL players who started their NRL career at 19 or less, end of argument.

 

[Eelementary]

Focus on a minor spelling mistake if it makes you feel better, but the point remains - I wasn't talking age. I was talking physicality.

A 19-year old Daniel Mortimer is not anywhere near as big or physical as a 19-year old Islander. FACT.

Manu Vatuvei isn't much older but he'd eat Mortimer for breakfast.

 

[Eelementary]

And Pearce only played for NSW at age 19 because of a simple combination of his surname and the fact nobody else better was available at the time.

I wouldn't use Origin if you're talking quality anyway - Adam Mogg, Darius Boyd, Brett White and Steve Turner to name but a few played Origin. And they're crap.

 

[CrazyEel]

Focus on a minor spelling mistake if it makes you feel better, but the point remains - I wasn't talking age. I was talking physicality.

LOL, now now, stick to the point and don't let you mind wander - it's far too small to be let out on its own.

You were talking age, "Throw in a 19-year old against mammoth Islanders and...Yes, it could hurt. Physically and mentally. Very much. The game in that regard is very different to what it was 30 years ago." and you did so with a smartarse remark telling me I was out of touch with changes in the game and I responded accordingly. Next time undertand "smart-arse" is a 2 sylable word and IMO your reply to me only achieved the 2nd sylable.

And Pearce only played for NSW at age 19 because of a simple combination of his surname and the fact nobody else better was available at the time.

So you sat in on the selections and know this as fact do you, or are you just once again presenting your opinion as fact?:roll:

I wouldn't use Origin if you're talking quality anyway - Adam Mogg, Darius Boyd, Brett White and Steve Turner to name but a few played Origin. And they're crap.

And what have you achieved to state that? :lol:

 

[Eelementary]

LOL, now now, stick to the point and don't let you mind wander - it's far too small to be let out on its own.

You were talking age, "Throw in a 19-year old against mammoth Islanders and...Yes, it could hurt. Physically and mentally. Very much. The game in that regard is very different to what it was 30 years ago." and you did so with a smartarse remark telling me I was out of touch with changes in the game and I responded accordingly. Next time undertand "smart-arse" is a 2 sylable word and IMO your reply to me only achieved the 2nd sylable.


So you sat in on the selections and know this as fact do you, or are you just once again presenting your opinion as fact?:roll:


And what have you achieved to state that? :lol:

I was relating it back to the article. Clearly that part went way over your empty head.

If you truly think Mitchell Pearce made Origin simply because he's the best, then more power to you.

I can state whatever I like. It's a forum. And Adam Mogg, Darius Boyd, Steve Turner and Brett White are nuffies. You go ahead and glorify them if it makes you feel better. But they're average at best.

 

[Avenger]

I wouldn't use Origin if you're talking quality anyway - Adam Mogg, Darius Boyd, Brett White and Steve Turner to name but a few played Origin. And they're crap.

I'd take any of those players that you just mentioned.

 

[Eelementary]

I'll elaborate:

Yes, to an extent the age is a factor. But only in terms of physicality. Obviously a 19-year old still has physical maturation left in him, and I am going out on a limb here and saying that even you can understand that point.

Compare 19-year old caucasian players and 19-year old players of Samoan, Kiwi, Fijian or just Islander descent in general and you already have a physical mix-match.

That was the crux of the article. And for the most part, Masters is right. Don't forget that, at Toyota Cup level, Mortimer averages 5 missed tackles a game. How would he fair against more physically developed First Grade standard Islanders?

You mention Mitchell Pearce. OK, he made his debut. He played well. He made Origin. But he has what we don't - the luxury of a forward pack that can protect him in defense. Sure, you could assign Hindmarsh or Cayless or whoever to look after Mortimer in defense. But that very issue was present with Tim Smith and it created more problems than Smith could solve.

Which brings me back to my original point - he says he's ready. Of course he would - it would be very negative of him to come out and state he wasn't.

But Anderson is a smart man - he knows Robson is a solid stop-gap solution at best. And yet he chose to play Robson on Friday instead of Mortimer. I believe someone quoted a line from Anderson saying he believes Mortimer is ready. Well, obviously he thinks he can take it mentally. But the physical aspect of the game is a different scenario altogether.

I think Stagger put it best when he said Mortimer is going to need to hit the gym hard before he can make an impact.

 

[Eelementary]

I'd take any of those players that you just mentioned.

Because our mob is under-performing or because you really rate them that highly?

Would you rather an in-form Adam Mogg on the wing or an in-form Jarryd Hayne?

In-form Boyd or in-form Inu?

If you reckon they're really that good then more power to you. Personally, I think they're the most average players to ever have played Origin. White in particular rode on the success that the Storm had. I mean what did he do in last year's Grand Final? Nothing.

 

[Avenger]

I'll elaborate:

Yes, to an extent the age is a factor. But only in terms of physicality. Obviously a 19-year old still has physical maturation left in him, and I am going out on a limb here and saying that even you can understand that point.

Compare 19-year old caucasian players and 19-year old players of Samoan, Kiwi, Fijian or just Islander descent in general and you already have a physical mix-match.

That was the crux of the article. And for the most part, Masters is right. Don't forget that, at Toyota Cup level, Mortimer averages 5 missed tackles a game. How would he fair against more physically developed First Grade standard Islanders?

You mention Mitchell Pearce. OK, he made his debut. He played well. He made Origin. But he has what we don't - the luxury of a forward pack that can protect him in defense. Sure, you could assign Hindmarsh or Cayless or whoever to look after Mortimer in defense. But that very issue was present with Tim Smith and it created more problems than Smith could solve.

Which brings me back to my original point - he says he's ready. Of course he would - it would be very negative of him to come out and state he wasn't.

But Anderson is a smart man - he knows Robson is a solid stop-gap solution at best. And yet he chose to play Robson on Friday instead of Mortimer. I believe someone quoted a line from Anderson saying he believes Mortimer is ready. Well, obviously he thinks he can take it mentally. But the physical aspect of the game is a different scenario altogether.

I think Stagger put it best when he said Mortimer is going to need to hit the gym hard before he can make an impact.

Good points but I would put him in at 14 and manage him like PJ Marsh was used in 2000 by Brian Smith. Initially PJ Marsh also had issues with his lack of size and ended up being a top line player.

 

[Avenger]

Because our mob is under-performing or because you really rate them that highly?

Would you rather an in-form Adam Mogg on the wing or an in-form Jarryd Hayne?

In-form Boyd or in-form Inu?

If you reckon they're really that good then more power to you. Personally, I think they're the most average players to ever have played Origin. White in particular rode on the success that the Storm had. I mean what did he do in last year's Grand Final? Nothing.

Compared to our underperforming players.

 

[Eelementary]

Like I said - if he gets picked, I will support him.

If he kills it, I am more than happy to admit I was wrong.

I just think you have to give him some more time.

I could be wrong, naturally. I'm not all-knowing.

But I would hate for him to play, have a good game, then have a poor game the next week and be unable to pick up his form.

That and what Staggs said about his lack of size concerns me - if he misses 5 tackles a game on average in the Toyota Cup, how would he fare with the likes of Civoniceva, Bailey, Pritchard and co. running at him?

I think we can all agree what we need now is to score points - our defence is OK. But if we suddenly have a young gun missing tackles against huge forwards, which puts us on the back foot, how can he be perceived to be helping the team?

But I mean like I said - if he plays, awesome. If not, awesome. I trust Anderson's decisions.

 

[CrazyEel]

I was relating it back to the article. Clearly that part went way over your empty head.

If you truly think Mitchell Pearce made Origin simply because he's the best, then more power to you.

I can state whatever I like. It's a forum. And Adam Mogg, Darius Boyd, Steve Turner and Brett White are nuffies. You go ahead and glorify them if it makes you feel better. But they're average at best.

LOL, never suggested you can't share opinions, mainly objected to you trying to be a smartarse with me for not agreeing with yours, after all, I have my own over valued opinions.:lol:

As for the rest, meh, of no significance.

 

[CrazyEel]

But if we suddenly have a young gun missing tackles against huge forwards, which puts us on the back foot, how can he be perceived to be helping the team.

Same way that hopeless little defender Soward has steered the dragons to a few wins this year I suppose.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Manu Vatuvei isn't much older but he'd eat Mortimer for breakfast.

Better not put him on the wing then?

The fact is that Daniel Mortimer leads the Toyota cup in try assists.

Our current team is competing really well, but struggling inside the 20m zone to put a try on. What we really need is someone who can lay one on - if only there was such a player at the club... oh wait - Dan Mortimer!

Ok - his defense could use some work - but he's making 23 tackles per contest in NYC. Sure he misses 2.5 a game and has 1 ineffective - but those are better numbers than Ben Smith had when he was defending in the centres.

At least at halfback we can put Hindmarsh next to him in the lineup or something!

Darren Lockyer is still a pretty ordinary defender in the front line, but because his teammates know it, they help out. And he had Tonie Carroll as his bodyguard for years.

I'm not saying Mortimer should definitely be selected - but I do know that Robson isn't anything more than a stop-gap for a few weeks. Sure it's a big step up to start tackling the big boys - and it might hurt the team a bit this year to have him in there, but as long as he keeps competing with ball in hand then it's well worth a year of experience!

Think about it - a year of tackling Tongans in first grade this season prepares him for next year a LOT better than a year of tackling smaller Tongans in the NYC

(I just used tongans because both tongans and tackling start with T - no racism intended there!!!)

 

[oldmancraigy]

I should have added that Chris Sandow is missing 8 tackles per game for the top of the table Rabbitohs.

And their defence is 2nd best in the league (coming into this round).

So one bad defender can be covered.

 

[Raudonikis]

What has Daniel Mortimer done in the Toyota Cup to automatically step up into First Grade and take away a bench spot from someone else?

Ok,it seems we all want the same thing for parra but we have differing opinions and thats great..I just thought id type out what was written in RLW this week..
Head line..Son of a gun Runs amok
Eels sensation Daniel Mortimer is set to receive an upgradeed contract in the wake of of last fridays 14 10 win over the roosters.
Mortimer,the son of former bulldogs star peter,was the architect of parras win that tkes thier record to 2 and 2.
In a DOMINANT display, Mortimer created both his teams tries and booted 3 goals.

 

[Raudonikis]

Now all i have been saying is this.That i have watched him closely and i believe he has the goods and needs nrl time this season to propell him into the future. For thos that say he isnt ready well only his coach knows that but if you remember pre season there was a story where DA said "you can play nrl this year"..It is obviously the plan going forward in DA opinion..For those that say he isnt ready i ask you this,have you ever played the game? everyone is always ready to step up,its why you play the game.Time will tell but lets put our faith in the coaching staff..I mean do you really think his family would be saying he is ready if he wasnt?

 

[Raudonikis]

Better not put him on the wing then?

The fact is that Daniel Mortimer leads the Toyota cup in try assists.

Our current team is competing really well, but struggling inside the 20m zone to put a try on. What we really need is someone who can lay one on - if only there was such a player at the club... oh wait - Dan Mortimer!

Ok - his defense could use some work - but he's making 23 tackles per contest in NYC. Sure he misses 2.5 a game and has 1 ineffective - but those are better numbers than Ben Smith had when he was defending in the centres.

At least at halfback we can put Hindmarsh next to him in the lineup or something!

Darren Lockyer is still a pretty ordinary defender in the front line, but because his teammates know it, they help out. And he had Tonie Carroll as his bodyguard for years.

I'm not saying Mortimer should definitely be selected - but I do know that Robson isn't anything more than a stop-gap for a few weeks. Sure it's a big step up to start tackling the big boys - and it might hurt the team a bit this year to have him in there, but as long as he keeps competing with ball in hand then it's well worth a year of experience!

Think about it - a year of tackling Tongans in first grade this season prepares him for next year a LOT better than a year of tackling smaller Tongans in the NYC

(I just used tongans because both tongans and tackling start with T - no racism intended there!!!)

Exactly Correct.. this year is about rebuilding>>>Fullstop

 

[MrT]

Ok,it seems we all want the same thing for parra but we have differing opinions and thats great..I just thought id type out what was written in RLW this week..
Head line..Son of a gun
Eels sensation Daniel Mortimer is set to receive an upgradeed contract in the wake of of last fridays 14 10 win over the roosters.
Mortimer,the son of former bulldogs star peter,was the architect of parras win that tkes thier record to 2 and 2.
In a DOMINANT display, Mortimer created both his teams tries and booted 3 goals.

Yes, and the best part of all this is DA has him in his plans. If Hagan was still at the club this year you can be certain Finch would still suck and he would be in 1st grade week in week out and Mortimer would have been signed by the Dogs.

He can offer a lot more than Finch ever did.
He has;

speed
a good pass
good kicking game

It's his speed and awareness that we need the most. You saw what a difference KK made

6. KK
7. Mortimer