Most Improved/Gone Backwards

[Walt Flanigan]

I think Shillo and Hannant were great, but those stats can be deceiving.

Making metres as as starting prop is a much harder task, especially in the first 10mins or so when defences are absolutely hyped up and making even 30m in 6 tackles is an achievement.

In that case, Hannant was bloody ordinary.

Shillo started on the weekend against Melbourne and still ran 120m. I don't believe stats tell the whole story either but they're enough to dispute some moron's claim that he's sh*t.

 

[kia ora storm]

Most Improved - Beau Ryan, Blake Ferguson, Ben Pomeroy, Ben Barba, Sam Kasiano, Tim Grant.

Gone Backwards - Adam Blair, Timana Tahu, Junior Sau, Chris Lawrence, Lote Tuqiri, Anthony Quinn, Scott Prince, Fuifui Moimoi, Steve Turner, Michael Ennis.

 

[The.X.Factor9]

Yeah not quite......

Average hitups, metres and tackles from the Origin series:

Shillington - 14 hitups 113.6m 17 tackles
Hannant - 7.6 hitups 57.6m 20.3 tackles
Scott - 11.3 hitups 102m 27 tackles
Civoniceva - 11.6 hitups 93.6m 20.3 tackles
Tamou - 11.3 hitups 93.3m 28.6 tackles

Lets simplify it even more:

Average metres per run

1.Scott- 9.02
2.Tamou- 8.25
3.Shillington- 8.11
4.Civoneceva- 8.06
5.Hannant- 7.57


Scott and Tamou are more effective per run than Shillington, they both also work way harder in defence.

/End discussion.

 

[Didgi]

Yep there is. NSW dominated the forward battle while Shillo was on the bench, as soon as he came on Queensland got on top.

But honestly, making metres is the single most important part of a prop's job, and nobody in Origin did that better than he did.

Just out of interest, what falls into this "so much more" that you talk about that makes these other props so much better?

I rank metres per run as just as or even more important than avg metres. Then there's the factors like bending the line and getting a quick play the ball. Overall, who you're playing against in the opposition pack. The likes of Scott, Grant and Tamou had to smash it up against each other, and a fresh defence. Shillington was against superstars like Ben Creagh. Not to mention half the game is defence, and Shillo made the least amount of tackles.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Lets simplify it even more:

Average metres per run

1.Scott- 9.02
2.Tamou- 8.25
3.Shillington- 8.11
4.Civoneceva- 8.06
5.Hannant- 7.57


Scott and Tamou are more effective per run than Shillington, they both also work way harder in defence.

/End discussion.

:lol: How does that end the discussion?

He's still doing better than 2 of the props that were supposed to be far better than him. Never said he was the best.

 

[The.X.Factor9]

lol I was talking to Skeepe but quoting your stats...

I named all the props to piss him off because he said Shillington was the best.

 

[dogslife]

Not sure how one averages 14 hit ups a game when the most hit ups he made in a game was 11. But if anyone can add up to get that it's Skeepe

 

[The.X.Factor9]

Walt Flanagan provide the stats.

 

[dogslife]

Whoever it was, it was a poor attempt at maths

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

Not sure how one averages 14 hit ups a game when the most hit ups he made in a game was 11. But if anyone can add up to get that it's Skeepe

I'm fairly sure he made around 16 in the last game.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Not sure how one averages 14 hit ups a game when the most hit ups he made in a game was 11. But if anyone can add up to get that it's Skeepe

Game 2 - David Shillington 17 hitups for 157m

Game 3 - David Shillington 16 hitups for 115m

www.nrlstats.com

Whoever it was, it was a poor attempt at maths

Keep on DeRpin.

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

lol derplife

quietly exit the thread champ

 

[The.X.Factor9]

So my point still stands...

Tamou and Scott>> Shillington in Origin.

Therefore Skeepe is yet again proven wrong.

 

[dogslife]

Game 3 - 11 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3247&tab=Stats

Game 2 - 11 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3246

Game 1 - 9 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3245

I'll stick to the official NRL site and you do your own thing

 

[dogslife]

In any case, ask Sticky Ricky which of the QLD props he feared the most, guarantee you the Pillow is at the bottom of the list. I can quietly exit the thread now, good night all

 

[The.X.Factor9]

Game 3 - 11 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3247&tab=Stats

Game 2 - 11 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3246

Game 1 - 9 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3245

I'll stick to the official NRL site and you do your own thing

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

Game 3 - 11 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3247&tab=Stats

Game 2 - 11 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3246

Game 1 - 9 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3245

I'll stick to the official NRL site and you do your own thing

Look at "AR" or all runs you gimp.

 

[dogslife]

Look at hitups f**kstick that's what we're talking about

 

[The.X.Factor9]

Look at "AR" or all runs you gimp.

Look at hitups f**kstick that's what we're talking about

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Game 3 - 11 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3247&tab=Stats

Game 2 - 11 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3246

Game 1 - 9 hitups
http://www.nrl.com/RepGames/Origin/MatchCentre/tabid/11138/Default.aspx#matchid=3245

I'll stick to the official NRL site and you do your own thing

As much as I'd like to believe Shillo ran 157m of just 11 hitups in an Origin match it just doesn't look right.

Either way, the metres still add up so your pillow argument is a fail.