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Most Influential Individual of the 20th Century

ONEYED CYCLOPS

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Well the net really didnt come into fashion until the mid 90s, and the US used it during the Vietnam war, so its quite interesting to note how long it took to transfer the idea of a global network to the mainstream. I wonder why? They probably had to wait for computers to catch up, but the capability for a global network has been around for quite a while

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Moffo
 

Willow

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The internet actually came into existence during the cold war. The fear was that the US defences could be knocked out by a direct nuclear strike on the Pebtagon or wherever the computer system was kept.
So they set up a series of computers across the US which were connected by land lines. This waythe loss of a single computer wasn't terminal.
 

Leisotto

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Depends what context your talking about. Influence on culture, music, sport, society, the world, technology. There are many dimensions that are worthy of consideration

Personally, i think that influence on culture is quite important. As people change, the world changes. So if we are going to think about it in that context, than perhaps people who have had a big impact on culture should be considered. A musician such as Elvis had a major impact on society during the 50s and 60s. Ditto for John Lennon, and i guess out of the modern group, Eminem could well fit into this category over the next 10 years

Elvis helped to inspire a complete generation. He changed the shape of what music and what was popular and with that, many fashions and attitudes.

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Leisotto
 

Patrick Bateman

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Culture - Whitney Houston Whitney Houston burst onto the music scene in 1985 with her self-titled LP which had four number one hit singles on it, including "The Greatest Love of All," "You Give Good Love" and "Saving All My Love for You," plus it won a Grammy Award for best pop vocal performance by a female and two American Music Awards, one for best rhythm and blues single and another for best rhythm and blues video. She was also cited as best new artist of the year by Billboard and by Rolling Stone magazine. With all this hype one might expect the album to be an anticlimactic, lackluster affair, but the surprise is that Whitney Houston (Arista) is one of the warmest, most complex and altogether satisfying rhythm and blues records of the decade and Whitney herself has a voice that defies belief. From the elegant, beautiful photo of her on the cover of the album (in a gown by Giovanne De Maura) and its fairly sexy counterpart on the back (in a bathing suit by Norma Kamali) one knows that this isn't going to be a blandly professional affair; the record is smooth but intense and Whitney's voice leaps across so many boundaries and is so versatile (though she's mainly a jazz singer) that it's hard to take in the album on a first listening. But you won't want to. You'll want to savor it over many. It opens with "You Give Good Love" and "Thinking About You," both produced and arranged by Kashif, and they emanate warm, lush jazz arrangements but with a contemporary synthesized beat and though they're both really good songs, the album doesn't get kicking until "Someone for Me" which was produced by Jermaine Jackson, where Whitney sings longingly against a jazz-disco background and the difference between her longing and the sprightliness of the song is very moving. The ballad "Saving All My Love for You" is the sexiest, most romantic song on the record. It also has a killer saxophone solo by Tom Scott and one can hear the influences of sixties girl-group pop in it (it was cowritten by Gerry Goffin) but the sixties girl groups were never this emotional or sexy (or as well produced) as this song is. "Nobody Loves Me Like You Do" is a glorious duet with Jermaine Jackson (who also produced it) and just one example of how sophisticated lyrically this album is. The last thing it suffers from is a paucity of decent lyrics which is what usually happens when a singer doesn't write her own material and has to have her producer choose it. But Whitney and company have picked well here. The dance single "How Will I Know" (my vote for best dance song of the 1980s) is a joyous ode to a girl's nervousness about whether another guy is interested in her. It's got a great keyboard riff and it's the only track on the album produced by wunderkind producer Narada Michael Walden. My own personal favourite ballad (aside from "The Greatest Love of All" - her crowning achievement) is "All at Once" which is about how a young woman realizes all at once her lover is fading away from her and it's accompanied by a gorgeous string arrangement. Even though nothing on the album sounds like filler, the only track that might come close is "Take Good Care of My Heart," another duet with Jermaine Jackson. The problem is that it strays from the album's jazz roots and seems too influenced by 1980s dance music. But Whitney's talent is restored with the overwhelming "The Greatest Love of All," one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation and dignity. From the first line (Michael Masser and Linda Creed are credited as the writers) to the last, it's a state-of-the-art ballad about believing in yourself. It's a powerful statement and one that Whitney sings with a grandeur that approaches the sublime. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late for us to better ourselves, to act kinder. Since it's impossible in the world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really, and it's beautifully stated on this album. Her second effort, Whitney (Arista: 1987) had four number one singles, "I Wanna Dance With Somebody," "So Emotional," "Didn't We Almost Have It All?" and "Where Do Broken Hearts Go?" and was mostly produced by Narada Michael Walden and though it's not as serious an effort as Whitney Houston it's hardly a victim of Sophomore Slump. It starts off with the bouncy, danceable "I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me)" which is in the same vein as the last album's irrepressible "How Will I Know." This is followed by the sensuous "Just the Lonely Talking Again" and it reflects the serious jazz influence that permeated the first album - and one can also sense a newfound artistic maturity in Whitney's voice - she did all the vocal arrangements on this album - and this is all very evident on "Love Will Save the Day" which is the most ambitious song Whitney's yet performed. It was produced by Jelly-bean Benitez and it pulsates with an uptempo intensity and like most of the songs on this album it reflects a grownup's awareness of the world we all live in. She sings and we believe it. This is quite a change from the softer, little-girl image that was so appealing on the first album. She projects an even more adult image on the Michael Masser-produced "Didn't We Almost Have It All," a song about meeting up with a long-lost lover and letting him know your feelings about the past affair, and it's Whitney at her most poetic. And as on most of the ballads there's a gorgeous string arrangement. "So Emotional" is in the same vein as "How Will I Know" and "I Wanna Dance with Somebody" but it's even more rock-influenced and, like all the songs on Whitney, played by a terrific backup studio band with Narada on drum machine, Wolter Afanasief on the synthesizer and synth bass, Corrado Rustici on synth guitar, and someone listed as Bongo Bob on percussion programming and drum sampling. "Where You Are" is the only song on the album produced by Kashif and it bears his indelible imprint of professionalism - it has a smooth, gleaming sound and sheen to it with a funky sax solo by Vincent Henry. It sounded like a hit single to me (but then all the songs on the album do) and I wondered why it wasn't released as one. "Love Is a Contact Sport" is the album's real surprise - a big-sounding, bold, sexy number that, in terms of production, is the album's centerpiece, and it has great lyrics along with a good beat. It's one of my favorites. On "You're Still My Man" you can hear how clearly Whitney's voice is like an instrument - a flawless, warm machine that almost overpowers the sentiment of her music, but the lyrics and the melodies are too distinctive, too strong to let any singer, even one of Whitney's caliber, overshadow them. "For the Love of You" shows off Narada's brilliant drum programming capabilities and its jazzy modern feel harks back not only to purveyors of modem jazz like Michael Jackson and Sade but also to other artists, like Miles Davis, Paul Butterfield and Bobby McFerrin. "Where Do Broken Hearts Go" is the album's most powerful emotional statement of innocence lost and trying to regain the safety of childhood. Her voice is as lovely and controlled as it ever has been and it leads up to "I Know Him So Well," the most moving moment on the record because it's first and foremost a duet with her mother, Cissy. It's a ballad about... who? - a lover shared? a long-lost father? - with a combination of longing, regret, determination and beauty that ends the album on a graceful, perfect note. We have received many new things from Whitney (she made a stunning gift to the 1988 Olympics with the ballad "One Moment in Time") and she remains the most exciting and original black jazz voice of her generation.
 

Leisotto

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Well i wasn't thinking of Whitney Houston to be honest, but i guess this Patrick Bateman character is on the right track with mentioning a musician!

Regards,
Leisotto
 

Patrick Bateman

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Bronco, you stike me as a particularly sour and bitter young man. You need to loosen up and develop a sense of humour. Most importantly, you need a positive attitude.
 

Willow

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Thanks for the link CyberKev. Great article and fills in a few of the gaps for me.

"<span>THE internet's date of birth is a subject of considerable dispute, but a posting this week puts it precisely at January 1, 1983."</span>
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<span>"January 1, 1983, was "when the ARPANET (a system developed by the US Department of Defence's Advanced Research Projects Agency Network) officially switched from the NCP (Network Control Protocol) to TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol)"</span>
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<span>"It was TCP/IP that allowed multiple networks to coexist and permitted applications such as the World Wide Web to develop. "</span>
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<span>I understand what they're saying here. Prior to this, in the 1960s, computers were linked by mainframes and I suppose this was really the internet as such. But they still connected over landlines and computers could talk to each other.</span>
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<span>"Some historians say the internet had its roots in the 1960s when university researchers began sharing information between mainframes connected by the government-run ARPANET. "</span>
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<span>"The first recorded description of the social interactions that could be made possible by networking was a series of memos written by J.C.R. Licklider of Massachusets Institute of Technology in August 1962 discussing his Galactic, or Global Network, concept. "</span>
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<span>I like the little anecdote:</span>
<span>"People sometimes question that any geeks would have been in machine rooms on January 1. Believe it! Some geeks got very little sleep for a few days," Mr Braden wrote. "There may still be a few remaining T-shirts that read, I survived the TCP/IP transition." </span>
 

Willow

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Correction:

...in the 1960s, computers were linked by mainframes and I suppose this was really the internet as such...

should have read:

...in the 1960s, computers were linked by mainframes and I suppose this wasn't really the internet as such...
 
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CyberKev

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No wucks, Old Son! As an Internet researcher I must admit that I've never really devoted any significant time to pondering the Net's origins. In academia its pretty much taken as rote that the Internet was borne out of ARPANET military machinations in the 1960s and, as such, is really too 'elementary' to warrant deeper explication. For this reason, I also found that article to be most enlightening... The wonders of Internet discussion fora, eh? I would've laid long odds about the discussion turning to an investigation into the Internet when I posted the first message to this thread...

CyberKev
 

Willow

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Cyberkev.

Good stuff though.
I have to agree that the internet was invented during the cold war and ARPANET must take the credit for developing a network of terminals across the USA. According to the article, the inter-terminaltranmissions and discussionsof August 1962 seems to be the earliest examples of the computer networking over distance.

More from the article:
"Bob Braden, who helped design the File Transfer Protocol (FTP) and the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) [Mr Cerf and Robert Kahn are credited with co-designing TCP/IP] posted his claim on a mailing list of the IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force). "

I understand what this co-designer of TCP/IP and FTPis saying but to my way of thinking this was development rather than an origin.
Can't blamehim for giving himself a plug though. ;)
 

Gav-bt

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It seems you Aussies are struggling to find one of your own, hardly surprising.

Apart from Rolf Harris, who are/is the most important Aussie of the 20th century?

Don't get all techinical, I doesn't suit you and it just confuses the rest of us.
 

Willow

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Notable Australians? I never thought it was based on nationality but seeing you asked...where shall we start?

Howard Florey- invented a way to use Penicillin to prevent infection. Its estimated that his research has save millions of lives.
Don Bradman - arguably the greatest sportsman in history.
Henry Sutton - invented 'the Telephane', an appliance that could transmitsignals over telegraph lines and was the forerunner of Television.
David Warren - invented the black box recorder for aircraft thus saving countless lives.
Graeme Clark -developed the bionic ear. Countless people can now hear thanks to his research.
Stuart Wenham and Martin Green - made the first solar energy cells. The true benefit is yet to be realised but once we run out of oil, this will be recognised as great leap.
Lawrence Hargrave - Aeronautics engineer and aviation pioneer who made the elaborate box kites. The Wright Brothers came to Australia to study his work before returning to the US and Kittyhawk. Alexander Graham Bell also sought him out and corresponded with him. He was in high demand and freely shared his research.
Germaine Greer - Womens liberation activist whoinfluenced a generation.

Thats just for starters.
All a case of being in the right place at the right time or maybe we just breed clever buggers in this part of the world. ;)

 

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