my Team for Manly or Penrith

[yappy]

So in otherwords your admitting that Balmain boys have more talent and that they do have more 1st grade material coming through their ranks than Wests?

Yes. Cashy is injured and none of the other forwards are really demanding a call up. We're 2 from 5 and Balmain is 5.5 from 6. Your pigs are doing the job and should be rewarded.

All but Lima and I even think that Brook would agree he isn't up to starting as prop in the top grade as yet

Rubbish. Send him out in the first ten with strict instructions to 'unleash hell'. No need for namby pambying - send the boy out and he'll come back a man.

 

[westie]

Moodie's been chased down easially a few times this year.

He is a faster option than your beloved Covell :roll:

Eddie I like the look of your side to be honest, Skando to the bench might sound funny but he would add some great size off our bench and some great expereince as well something that we really do need - Not to mention that Skando does play great for about 20mins sure when we get our other 2 prop options back it should make life a bit easier on him but I could see more advantages with Skando on the bench than Skando starting to be honest.

Also on the Halves I couldn't agree more again, we need stable halves and the loss on the weekend wasn't the halves fault at all (maybe Prince's kicking game needs a bit of work but overall it really wasn't there fault!) Personally though I would switch Reynolds and Prince around as Reynolds is more of an organiser and Prince is more of a runner and does prefer to run out wide more often than not!

Once again you have completely made up bullshit. I do not want Covell in the side. Firstly because I don't think he is up to the high standards we should be setting and secondly because I want him to play PL. God knows we need him at the moment. Oh and Luke would give moodie a run for his money any day.

 

[Not so silent Bob]

Im with eddie here. I said it in another post. Skando must be put back to the bench. He is simply too slow to be a starting foward. He offers nothing. Him and patterson were embarrasing yesterday. I dont know who I would go with as we seem thin in this area. But Skando played his best games for the tigers off the bench back in 2000. This isnt saying the bloke is useless just that if he is to be used effectively the bench is the only option

cheers

s. tiger

So, you're saying we should drop a guy to the bench who is the hardest worker in the team?

Bizarre.

 

[Papa_smurf]

1>Fitzhenry
2>Moodie
3>Halatua
4>Elford
5>Covell
6>Hodgson
7>Prince
8>Laffranchi
9>Farah
10>Gibbs
11>Heighnington
12>O'neil
13>Sattler
14>Skandalis
15>Lima
16>Graham
17>Mears

Payten wont b back by r7 i dont think.

 

[SouthernTiger]

Joel Caine was ahard worker. That didnt make him terribly effective. I too agree that Skando tries his hard out unfortunately he doesnt have the ability to match that heart. My view the only way he can justify a spot in the side is off the the bench because he has been f1cken pathetic all year. He never makes more than 10 metres per hit up which isnt good enough for a first grade standard prop


cheers

s. tiger

 

[yappy]

Yeah maybe if you had Bailey, Clinton, Civonicieva, Lang, O'Hara, Webke et al.

But you don't. #-o

Therefore Skando is your No. 1 Prop and has to start. (I've been saying that's the biggest indictment of the Tigers for three years :roll: ) It's a bitch but you gotta live with it.

What odds you wanna give me that Sheens doesn't buy any big mutha front rowers this year either. ;-)

 

[gr8_1]

He already has. Write your own ticket yappy.

 

[SouthernTiger]

yappy

you are probably right but i am sick of skando's position being unchallenged. Our worst area this year has been go forward. We simply cant accept the work our front row has done for the last two weeks. It has been appalling. At the end of the day if Skando was as good as everyone says he is we shouldnt have a problem here. But he isnt. And we do. I say put Benji in the front row. he'd make more metres than skandalis. Gibbs is the only forward who can run at a decent pace. Yesterday St George had one of their best front rowers missing - ryles - yet still every single one of their fowards easily outclassed skandalis. This includes Powell and Howell off the bench. brent kite was made to look like a superstar which he most certainly isnt. People who say Skando should be playing for NSW are seriously deluded and should be committed to Callan Park asap.

Someone has to give Skando a kick up the ass. Yesterday was embarrassing and my patience is running thin. I dont mind losing but when you consistently cant make it out of your own 40 metres you better give the game up


cheers

s. tiger

 

[yappy]

mate I agree with absolutely everything there. I've bagged Skando for about 6 years. He's a good honest toiler, and would make a great no.3 on your front row rotation, but he could and should be so much more. Origin? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

But the point is who is going to give Skando that kick up the arse? Patto? There ain't too many others to turn to and the ones who do play good get over looked by a coach who would rather play without a prop on the bench. :roll:

In a good team Gibbs and Boof would be your back row. (If they could get off the bench). The worst thing about it is whilst the Maggies have a bit of size in Premiers in Flegg we got nuthin. Our Flegg side are fricn midgets. Balmain are gonna have to supply the beef lookin forward. If there ain't any 21 yr old monsters on offer the club needs to open the chequebook to 17 and 18 yr olds. Otherwise the place is never gonna be anywhere. Look at the Panthers - they did what Sheens is perportedly trying to do - but they did it with SIZE.

 

[magpiemax]

And to think were on national TV in 3 weeks against the premiers at their home ground.....might be as embarrassing as getting beaten by the Broncos reserve grade last time we was on 9.

arrrrrrrrrgh.........Cmon.........INK....dont be surprised if we beat them by 40+. :lol:

 

[magpiemax]

mate I agree with absolutely everything there. I've bagged Skando for about 6 years. He's a good honest toiler, and would make a great no.3 on your front row rotation, but he could and should be so much more. Origin? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

But the point is who is going to give Skando that kick up the arse? Patto? There ain't too many others to turn to and the ones who do play good get over looked by a coach who would rather play without a prop on the bench. :roll:

In a good team Gibbs and Boof would be your back row. (If they could get off the bench). The worst thing about it is whilst the Maggies have a bit of size in Premiers in Flegg we got nuthin. Our Flegg side are fricn midgets. Balmain are gonna have to supply the beef lookin forward. If there ain't any 21 yr old monsters on offer the club needs to open the chequebook to 17 and 18 yr olds. Otherwise the place is never gonna be anywhere. Look at the Panthers - they did what Sheens is perportedly trying to do - but they did it with SIZE.

Geeeeeeeeez....Yappy you really wanna get a witch hunt going against Sheens dont you.

 

[yappy]

Sheens just like Skando mate - fairly competent.

It's the delusional that think both of them are somehow god's gift and are going to lead the Tigers to the promised land of Premiership Glory that make me shake my head. I don't, haven't, won't advocate his sacking in 04, but what on earth has he done to justify a two year extension? Give him 05 and reassess a few rounds in. If he hasn't found some structure and go forward by then, he isn't going to. I'd have the prime contenders to take over in 06 being seriously considered today.

 

[magpiemax]

Sheens just like Skando mate - fairly competent.

It's the delusional that think both of them are somehow god's gift and are going to lead the Tigers to the promised land of Premiership Glory that make me shake my head. I don't, haven't, won't advocate his sacking in 04, but what on earth has he done to justify a two year extension? Give him 05 and reassess a few rounds in. If he hasn't found some structure and go forward by then, he isn't going to. I'd have the prime contenders to take over in 06 being seriously considered today.

Yeah..... I would have to agree as far as signing him up is concerned.But in all honesty Wests have had a sh*t load of injuries which has not helped his cause and you would have to admit that having alot of players under 20 years of age is going to take a little time to develop,now I understand that chronologically time is not going to make our forwards massive and there is definetly a problem to be adressed there.But I think your being a little harsh. ;-)

 

[yappy]

Injuries,
Inexperience,
Dud Referees,
?,
?,
?,
?.

4 more and the Tiger's will have an excuse for every day of the week.

 

[magpiemax]

And the other thing is you say Skando is a top 3 at best.Whilst this may be true you are comparing him to say the best props in the comp.Well if that's the case 3/4 of our side should not be picked as they are not up to first grade standard. So what do you do there???????

 

[steven_tiger]

1. Brett Hodgson
2. Jason Moodie
3. Shane Elford
4. John Wilson
5. Luke Covell

6. Ben Reynolds
7. Scott Prince

8. Todd Payten
9. Darren Senter
10. John Skandalis
11. Anthony Laffranchi
12. Mark O'Neill
13. Scott Sattler

14. Bryce Gibbs
15. Gray Viane
16. Chris Heighninton
17. Nick Graham

thats the team i like. but i would also like farah and fitzhenry there.

i think if payten and laffranchi are coming back from injury we need forward depth on the bench to cover for them if they are a little rusty.

big game vs manly in two weeks.

we need some grunt up front.

sos to payten, senter and laffranchi!

i think that is close to our strongest team... if you include marshall and richards.

 

[yappy]

Start by picking a side with more grunt up front like I suggested earlier on this thread. Then when you do get Boof and Payton back you have the problem of who out of Lima, Small, and Gibbs do you drop to make way for them. Or perhaps (and as a far better long term result) they are all playing so damn good that guys like Graham, O'Neill and who knows maybe even Skando himself are the ones playing to stay in Firsts.

The point is you don't know if these guys are going to cut it until you actually give them a go. Sheens chucked Brycey in the deep end and so far he's swimming OK. We already know that Patto treads water at best. With the injuries and poor play there is no excuse for not giving guys like Lima and Small a shot too. It's not like you've got anything to lose. All of the best props in the comp were once youngsters battling away in the lower grades. Some not so long ago.

And don't give me the old playing them too soon will ruin them chestnut. 1. Sheens himself doesn't believe it or else every player he calls up wouldn't still be eligible for Flegg and 2. I reckon it only ruins the ones who were never going to make it anyhow. For the good ones it just accellerates their development. Surely accellerating the development of good young players should be the no 1 priority of the Tigers.

If your best (fully fit) pack starts to look more like;
Locks (Satts, Halatau, Harrison, Fulton)
2nd Row (Laffranchi, Gibbs, Small, O'Neill, Graham)
Props (Skandalis, Payton, Lima)
Hookers (Farah, Fitz, Senter)
Then you should really be able to compete. But you still need to turn up some more Props.

 

[magpiemax]

Or perhaps (and as a far better long term result) they are all playing so damn good that guys like Graham, O'Neill and who knows maybe even Skando himself are the ones playing to stay in Firsts. But you still need to turn up some more Props.

Yappy,are you suggesting that after the first real hiding that we have copped,wests should be sacking Graham,O'Neill and Skando????And as for recruiting more props unfortunately due to salary cap restrictions,it is very difficult to recruit more. :? :? I genuinely feel that wests have recruited well but the injuries we have sustained were not expected,and we dont have the depth of the likes of the roosters who can be still competitve with most of there internationals watching on the sidelines.

 

[yappy]

Read it again Bud.

I'm not advocating dropping anyone other than Patto and whoever else has to make way for a big unit when you take on Manly.

From then on the competition amongst the forwards should be pure performance. If Lima and Small and Gibbs are playing better than Graham, O'Neill, and Skando then it should be one of the older guys that make way for Boof's return. Otherwise what's the point of busting your gut? If you're a kid it doesn't matter how well you go - you're gonna get dropped when the injured players return. If your an old hand you ain't gonna get dropped even if you're playing like a busted.

The only caveat is there is no point going in with 7 small back rowers and no size.

 

[jirskyr]

I reckon part of Skando's problem is being the only notable large straight runner at the game's opening. He is the only guy from the outset who is assigned taking it straight. You need more options, coz a single guy will soon be picked off.

I think the suggested bench is good, I always liked the old Tigers benches with 3 forwards. I reckon two utilities is a waste of time.