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My team for round 1

Dragsters

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The entire Australian 3/4 last year was made up of 5 fullbacks

Boyd, Inglis, Dugan, Ferguson, Holmes ... pretty much all of them playing decent time at fullback at a club level or about to.

Just because Dugan is an aussie centre doesn't make him less of a Club Fullback.

I think Dufty will come in eventually to FB but that will take time and will no doubt be via Nightingales wing. Until that happens Dugan is our best option for fullback (despite being the clubs best right centre - we just don't consider him there as he is our FB).

Milne is our best option for right centre. left centre still up in the air though.

Dugan is our best fullback.

Dufty is out injured for a while, hopefully he gets a crack at some point and if he is good enough to push Dugan to the centres then all power to him.

Until then, Milne must be a lock in for right centre, he has a powerful running game, has silky hands and a great ability to offload. I love how he plays an aggressive style of footy. A bit like Joey Leilua in that regard.
 

RufusRex

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Dugan is our best fullback.

Dufty is out injured for a while, hopefully he gets a crack at some point and if he is good enough to push Dugan to the centres then all power to him.

Until then, Milne must be a lock in for right centre, he has a powerful running game, has silky hands and a great ability to offload. I love how he plays an aggressive style of footy. A bit like Joey Leilua in that regard.

no disagreement from me
 

dragonssamy61

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Soward of 2010 would make Dugan the most feared FB in the game.
Bennett 2010 would successfully build a game plan to suit Dugan.
Any conclusions you can draw from that analysis?

Agree ot Soward 2010 would also make nene McDonald a superstar.
Emagine his pin point bombs to him.
 

Frank Facer

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Dugan is good enough to hold the FB place at our club, but it's about generating some sort of attack and changing something to spark the attack.

I can appreciate what you say about Milne and the second row.. I don't think he is a second rower either but rather could be played on the edge of coming off the bench.. that way he still gets FG experience. In saying that if Milne is the best RC we have then why isn't he playing there for NSW or Australia like Dugan is? We have the Australian and NSW centre at our club and our other centre is Aitken who played rep footy last year.

Otherwise I'd support playing Milne at RC, Dugan at FB and then Widdop to half and Firld goes onto the bench
Milne has only played a limited number of first grade games. That is why he is not playing for NSW or Australia. Milne should have been given an opportunity a lot earlier last year. He looks like the best centre prospect that we have had since Gasnier. I think that he could play for NSW and possibly Australia in years to come.
 

BlackDuckSaint

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Milne has only played a limited number of first grade games. That is why he is not playing for NSW or Australia. Milne should have been given an opportunity a lot earlier last year. He looks like the best centre prospect that we have had since Gasnier. I think that he could play for NSW and possibly Australia in years to come.

I see what you mean, but I am pretty sure he played for the Junior Kiwi's when he was in the NYC. He was an Australian Schoolboy rep when he played union.

So his allegience is NZ I believe
 

Dragons 09

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Milne has only played a limited number of first grade games. That is why he is not playing for NSW or Australia. Milne should have been given an opportunity a lot earlier last year. He looks like the best centre prospect that we have had since Gasnier. I think that he could play for NSW and possibly Australia in years to come.

I agree. He reminds me a lot of Justin Hodges, only difference is that i like the kid, despised Hodges.
Has a mistake in him, but has individual freak value as well. Definitely has a brain snap or two that will surface eventually, but has that aggressive streak that get's in the heads of the opposition and unsettles them. He's only going to get better and at an age where he could be our centre for the next 10 years. He's a keeper and for me, the first centre picked.
 

Dragsters

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I agree. He reminds me a lot of Justin Hodges, only difference is that i like the kid, despised Hodges.
Has a mistake in him, but has individual freak value as well. Definitely has a brain snap or two that will surface eventually, but has that aggressive streak that get's in the heads of the opposition and unsettles them. He's only going to get better and at an age where he could be our centre for the next 10 years. He's a keeper and for me, the first centre picked.

Yep and he just needs an extended run at right centre and he will get even better.
 

mickeylane

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Round 1 team
1. DUGAN
2. Mcdonald
3. Milne
4. Mann
5. Nightingale

6. Widdop
7. Mcrone

8. Packer
9. Mciness
10. Ah Mau
11. Frizell
12. THOMPSON
13. JDB

14. Simms
15. Vaughan
16. Host
17. Field
 

Old Timer

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After Mary's presser your team should just about get the lollies mickeylane.
Not convinced he won't pick Lafai though.
 

possm

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We have problems with our roster but right centre is not one of them.
If Dugan insists on fullback money for his next contract, he should be let go mainly because we all know he has previously indicated his preference for playing at right centre. He is a right centre and the NSW and Australian coach also believe he is a right centre.

Milne is a cheaper option at right centre and is much better at setting up his winger by running to the line, breaking the line or setting up his winger with a crisp pass.
 

Dragon66

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From my perspective I don't think whatever team is chosen will matter.

While we have a clueless coach, who accepts,and finds positives, in mediocrity then the make up of the team is irrelevant.

Though the more I see Widdop's performance as a 5/8 the more inclined I am to the fact he has to find a new position in the team.
He is a first grade standard player, but not at 5/8. I think moving Dugan to centre would be a positive move for the side as he showed on Sunday. His try assist was how Gasnier used to play, very effective. Big and strong in the one on one plays.
Widdop has played fullback before, and successfully, I think it could be a good move.

The halves - well I'm not sure. But surely some combination of Field/McCrone/Nona/Mann would be better than what's happening (and was happening in 2016) with the current setup. In may take a little time to find the right combination but something has to be done. What we have now is definitely not working.
 

Glenn01

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From my perspective I don't think whatever team is chosen will matter.

While we have a clueless coach, who accepts,and finds positives, in mediocrity then the make up of the team is irrelevant.

Though the more I see Widdop's performance as a 5/8 the more inclined I am to the fact he has to find a new position in the team.
He is a first grade standard player, but not at 5/8. I think moving Dugan to centre would be a positive move for the side as he showed on Sunday. His try assist was how Gasnier used to play, very effective. Big and strong in the one on one plays.
Widdop has played fullback before, and successfully, I think it could be a good move.

The halves - well I'm not sure. But surely some combination of Field/McCrone/Nona/Mann would be better than what's happening (and was happening in 2016) with the current setup. In may take a little time to find the right combination but something has to be done. What we have now is definitely not working.
Great idea. So instead of having the worst 5/8 in the competition, we would have the worst fullback.
Our problem isn't fullback. Duges is one of the best in the competition and Dufty has shown tremendous potential. If Duges is going to move to centre, Dufty is next in line and then Mann after that. Our problem is in the halves. McCrone is hardly a star but he is solid and dependable. If the idiot McGregor would give Mann a chance and move Widdop to the NSW Cup, it may not be enough to make our halves not the worst in the competition but I believe it would lead to a tremendous improvement.
 

Coffs dragon

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I don't think it matters who Mary picks for round 1, when the problem lies way deeper:
Coach , Captain, Spine and Kicking game rank amongst the worst in the NRL
Fix the foundations before putting the right bricks in place.....
 
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possm

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Dugan is up for a contract extension. He wants fullback cash but prefers to play right centre. He has been our fullback for a few seasons now and still has not got the hang of being a ball playing fullback which has limited our attack. Let's see his value in the centres and then decide if we can/want to keep him for next season and beyond.

Moving Widdop to fullback gives the team a chance to try other combinations in the halves; something I believe should have been done in the off-season. If Widdop does not fire at fullback, then give one of our young guns a go starting with Dufty.
 

Glenn01

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Dugan is up for a contract extension. He wants fullback cash but prefers to play right centre. He has been our fullback for a few seasons now and still has not got the hang of being a ball playing fullback which has limited our attack. Let's see his value in the centres and then decide if we can/want to keep him for next season and beyond.

Moving Widdop to fullback gives the team a chance to try other combinations in the halves; something I believe should have been done in the off-season. If Widdop does not fire at fullback, then give one of our young guns a go starting with Dufty.
I think your analysis is generally spot on but I have to disagree with you here. For a fullback Widdop is too slow, lacks evasive ability, lacks the power to bust tackles, is a poor defender and isn't even a good ball player. The one part of his game which would suit is maybe cleaning up loose balls and grubbers close to the line. Is that enough? Why do you think he would be better at fullback? Widdop has had his chance. Has had so many chances it's a black joke on us. He should be dropped and if he excels n the NSW Cup and the NRL halves are still s**t, he has a chance to be recalled.

As for Dugan, I agree but until Dufty is fit, we are better off with Aitken and Milne in the centres. A ball playing fullback is great. Like Hayne or Slater or Tedesco or Boyd or Inglis ..... or like pretty much every fullback in the competition except for Duges but remember Gerald Beale or Kyle Stanley (in the longest stretch of games he ever got through without tearing his ACL)? Both ball players and both rubbish fullbacks.
 

possm

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On current form Widdop just isn't a good fit in the halves anymore. We need to find a 6 for 2018 so Widdop has to move. Dufty is out and Dugan is most suitable at right centre. If Widdop fails at fullback, then its off to the Cutters and Dufty to fullback.
 

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Dugan works if you had good ball players.
I think he would be more suited to the titans who have two ball playing halves and would suit them better then Hayne.
Fact is Dugan cant pass or set up tries. Its not his game and since your halves aren't up to the task and they do not put him in half gaps he cant shine.

Dugan is the safest and best defensive fullback in the game. Has a solid running game but his attack and ball playing is sub bar. He needs to be hitting holes. Ben Hunt will help his career.
 

possm

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It would be great to involve our new coach for 2018 in decisions regarding our player roster. For instance Hasler could say if he wanted to keep Dugan and/or Widdop etc.
 

Old Timer

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All the whipping of Widdop will achieve nothing.
For some on this forum they always come up with a way to apportion blame to an individual and think the sacking or replacement of that individual will be the cure and tomorrow everything will be ok.
That behaviour is just ignoring the real issue at the top that permeates down and affects everything below it.
It was Creagh, Rein, Prior, Marketo, Dugan so and a so on now Widdop.
Beating them up is ridiculous as they are only the pawns in the chess game.
Whether they are good players or not is a separate issue, the fact is they are all players that are chosen to play 1st grade at our club and are supposed to be coached and skilled to a high level.
If they don't achieve that, then they are supposed to be dealt with, but that doesn't happen and we keep rabbiting on in here about how they survive.
They survive because they are either doing what the coaches ask of them and the coaches are happy enough with that, or our coaching staff is so hopeless it has no plans, no strategies, no idea of acceptable performance and that is because they have no ability to teach anyone anything and even less ability to analyse anything.
How many players have we had since Bennett that have excelled and been chased massively by other clubs?
Frizzell is the only real stand out, Dugan has made rep footy in an alternate position but not liked by the market at the price he wants because he hasn't really blossomed as people thought and of course some will say Bird.
Bird is an interesting case because he actually didn't have to play 1st grade under Price and/or Mc Gregor and in fact if he had been elevated to play under them his star might never have risen and his career over before it started. Lucky for him he left and yet lunatics in here keep thinking there is some incentive for him to come back. Please explain it to me what is the big attractant for him and don't tell me because he was a junior.
Drop Widdop by all means, but get it through your thick heads, no matter who replaces him under current arrangements, we will not go any better than what we do right now. No one player can fix this diabolical mess.
We may see a very temporary improvement just like when Widdop first arrived but that will quickly fade away as our useless management and coaching staff strangle the skills and initiative out of every player that has come to us since Bennett left.
For gods sake we look forward to SOO time so we can play teams that are severely weakened as we lose so few players to rep footy. How ridiculous that we make our charge (as lame as it is) for the semis during the time that other teams are depleted but then we wonder what happened to that charge as it faltered when other teams return to full strength.
Our staff are like a huge boa constrictor that slowly squeezes the life out of everything it can wrap itself around and that includes the players and the fans.
By all means continue to make comparisons why this player or that player deserves to be picked ahead of somebody else but thinking our fortune is linked to any 1 player is just plain stupid.
By the way Benny V your post on this subject in another thread excellent.
 

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