Nathan Brown

[Broncodroid]

I will not get into specifics on the St. George Dragons, most has been pretty much covered with quality posting in this thread. I will add this.

In 2003, Nathan Brown as a rookie NRL Coach; 24G, 11W, 13L, 548For, 593Ag, 26pts and 10th on the ladder. Brisbane on 28pts scraped into the top 8.

In 2004, Nathan Brown in his second year NRL Coaching sting; 24G, 14W, 10L, 624For, 415Ag, 30pts and good for 5th on the ladder missing the top 4 by 2pts.

In 2 seasons, he has improved...injuries aside, he has improved and this cannot be taken away from him as I'd imagine his employers would be happy with this..

We also look at the young talent he has played a part in bringing on for this club; Matt Head, Ashton Sims, Ben Kreagh, Justin Poore And Dean Young adding probably Ben Hornby, Matt Cooper and Brent Kite to the list as players who have excelled under Browns coaching going into make NSW debuts in 2004. There are others, for the sake of my argument, we will leave it at that.

Nathan Brown has never been able too (if he has, we could count the number on one hand) pick his BEST 17 consistently unlike most of the premiership heavyweights. This is not an excuse, it is fact and other teams have had this same problem in which they have not one the premiership either. Penrith Panthers in 2003 had a turnover of about 19 players before going on to win the comp.

Nathan Brown is a GOOD young NRL coach who the Dragons would be silly to simply disregard for the lone fact this team (who admittedly I had as pre-season favourites for the title) did not go onto win the comp. I ask the haters, when was the last time the Dragons albeit loaded with talent, won the premiership ? Don't know, go back to 1979.

Nathan Brown can not be blamed for key players going 'AWOL' in crucial games this season.

Nathan Brown can not be blamed for Trent Barrett's inability to perform at a level greats like Johns, Fittle and Lockyer do weekly for their respective club.

Nathan Brown and the Dragon are close, this cannot be argued. Let's look at the 10 losses:

Canberra (R1), Melbourne (R3), Sydney City (R7), Manly (R9), Canterbury (R10), Brisbane (R12), NQ (R13), Brisbane (R18), Sydney City (R19) and NQ (R21).

All teams were in top 8 barring Manly. 3 or 4 of the game lost above you could argue should of been won but a weak mental game was the catalyst. Nathan Brown cannot be blamed for that eiter. He can prepare the players, he can highlight the weakness of the opposition, but he cannot play for them.

Give Brown a healthy season where the majority of his top 25 players are healthy for a season and the guy will get results for the mighty red and white.

Sack Nathan Brown ? I would argue, sack fair weather fans.

 

[Ribs]

Miamiasaurus.

Agreed 100 percent.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

Out of position in the centres? Are you kidding? Did you start watching rugby league this year or last year?
.......

He used to play permanently in the centres back with the Steelers. Since all of his injuries and now having no knees, he's become a forward and that's where he should play.

 

[Ribs]

Putting him in the centres isnt the reason that he had a brain explosion and came out of the line to tackle nobody.

It was written above, Brown can do everything but play for us. In saying that though, Id prefer him in the number 6 than Santa.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

He ran out of the line because they'd be able to run around him otherwise. He belongs in the forwards, not out wide.

 

[Nugby]

I think Carlaw was ruled out because an injury.

I'm pretty sure he was playing Premier League, Brownie chose to leave him out.

Good luck with SG Big Lance

 

[Ribs]

Go watch the tape again.

No overlap, the player he went to put a hit on was the one who received the ball and he caught it behind Timmins..... Bizaare decision and one best explained by Brown himself.

"It wasnt in the best interest of the team"

I have enormous respect for Shaun Timmins but he has made some crucial bad decisions in the last few weeks and his inability to pass the ball is incredible. Once the ball reaches Timmins, its him running across and taking a tackle.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

Go watch the tape again.

No overlap, the player he went to put a hit on was the one who received the ball and he caught it behind Timmins..... Bizaare decision and one best explained by Brown himself.

"It wasnt in the best interest of the team"

I have enormous respect for Shaun Timmins but he has made some crucial bad decisions in the last few weeks and his inability to pass the ball is incredible. Once the ball reaches Timmins, its him running across and taking a tackle.

yet another reason why he belongs in the forwards.

 

[Ribs]

Whatever.

 

[drake]

I have to retract my earlier knee jerk spray at Browny, Miamiasaurus is right, Browny has improved our sides attack and defence, and our overall performance. I do think there is a "We'll do better next week" attitude that needs to be corrected at the club, and that the team didn't click fully.

Someone on WORL suggested a "There is no next week!" sign.

BTW Rylesy used to play in the centres when he was younger, as did a lot of forwards. Timmins is no longer a centre and shouldn't be played there anymore.

 

[sfuzzwaa]

Trent earns a massive wage & has shown nothing in the past 5 years that suggests he deserves the "one of the world's best 5/8ths" tag he's been given. When he hasn't performed, he's been afforded every excuse under the sun by the media. 2005 is "Put Up Or Shut Up" for The Face.

I must have been watching a different game. Was Barrett the only one playing on Friday night. Give the guy a break.

Nothing against Timmo, but 2 bad reads out wide early put us on the backfoot and we couldn't recover. I don't know what he was doing out there anyway. IMO a bad call by Browny, but that's footy.

Pig was also quieter than usual and although they tried to stage what would have been the greatest come back of the year, it wasn't to be.

I can't wait for next year.

georgef38to95

 

[Southernsaint]

George,

It's not the one games I'm talking about, it's the culmination of the last five years as I said.

I can't wait for 2005 either. only 150 sleeps until the Charity Shield...

 

[luther]

rugby can be cured.

 

[Generalzod]

Whats this sh*t?

After we were officially out i was just hoping that nobody would pull out the sack the coach f*cking rubbish but unfortunately it wasnt to be.

If you want to finger point mung nuts then look no further than than our star half of the salary cap hopeless prick Trent Barrett.
he cost us the first game of the year dropping the ball over the line and cost us the semi with a beautifully timed pass to Preston Campbell.

Notice we put on the 2nd biggest comeback in history against Manly with that plank off the field?

Andrew Farrar was an embarressment to this great club and Nathan Brown has cetainly got things going in the right direction.

Penrith were red hot and we were coming off the bye and carrying a plank in a number 6 jumper which screwed us, not the coach.

You must delusional Ribs if you think that Brown has done a better job than Farrar. So if Farrar is an embarrassment, I consider that Brown's performance in his 2 years in the League has been a joke..

 

[Ribs]

:lol:

Lets see some stats to back up that bucket of dribble generalzod.

I'll put this forward first.

Dragons 2004:

Fifth best attacking team
Second best defensive team
Third best points difference

In the couple of years Brown has had the team, they have developed nicely since the Easter Egg got turfed, and it was always going to be a hard task to undo what that clown created.

If not for the bye in the last round I think we would have given the Panthers a decent match, as we gave them a footy lesson both times we played them this season.

 

[DevilDragon]

Damn straight Ribs.

How quickly you forget Genralzod. We managed under Farrar to barely scrape into the eight each season end. It was always a nail biting end to the season. Which I for one was sick of.

Under Brown the Dragons play and attitude has increased significantly as Ribs and others that have posted here have pointed out. Bear in mind also the young talent he has managed to develop and continues to develop.

I would like to say it was more circumstance that the Dragons were knocked out rather than a coaching inadequacy. I won't point the finger at individuals as the whole teams defence was woeful in the first twenty.

I am happy with Browny and I hope he stays with us for years to come. He will continue to develop this team.

 

[Generalzod]

Ribs wipe your mouth you're talking SH@#% again.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Choice :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Ribs]

Well surprise surprise.

I asked you to put up some stats to back up your dribble generalzod.

So is that your argument in a nutshell, champ?

"choice"

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

Andrew Farrar didn't have the massive number of representative players that Brown has. But in saying that I don't think he's a great coach either.

Bottom line is, with the squad we have we should of finished first or second. Everthing this team achieved was natural talent alone.

 

[Anonymous]

Under Farrar:

Year - Won/Lost/Drawn - Pts for (rank) - Pts against (rank) - Position*
2001 - 12W, 12L, 2D - 661 (5th) - 573 (5th) - 7th
2002 - 9W, 12L, 3D, 2B - 632 (6th) - 546 (7th) - 7th

Under Brown:

2003 - 11W, 13L, 0D, 2B - 548 (10th) - 593 (9th) -10th
2004 - 14W, 10L, 0D, 2B - 624 (5th) - 415 (2nd) - 5th

*after 26 rounds

2004 has been our best season on the ladder since 1993.
I believe it's the best defence ranking since 1985.