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Nathan Tinkler relinquishes ownership of the Newcastle Knights

kmav23

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Whitehaven shocks with new profit warning


Troubled Whitehaven Coal has cut its earnings forecasts again, indicating it may earn as little as $20 million in 2012-13 if weak market conditions persist - less than half previous estimates.
Late last year Whitehaven, whose largest shareholder is former billionaire Nathan Tinkler, said that while a wide range of earnings outcomes were possible, if current prices for semi-soft coking coal and thermal coal were assumed along with consensus analyst estimates of production, its full-year earnings before interest tax depreciation and amortisation could be just $50 million instead of the prevailing analyst consensus forecast of $185 million.
Releasing its December quarter production figures this morning, Whitehaven said its EBITDA for the first half would be as low as $10 million and if soft coal prices and the high dollar continued, the second half result would be similar.
Whitehaven shares plunged more than 6 per cent after the announcement, falling 21 cents to $3.26.
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‘‘We always knew if was going to be a tough result’’ said PhillipsCapital analyst Lawrence Grech, who added Whitehaven’s production of 2.4 million tonnes for the quarter was in line with expectations.
Whitehaven said the price of its metallurgical product, Newcastle semi-soft coking coal, had remained stable at around $US113.50 a tonne free on board (FOB) in the December quarter, and this was expected to continue in the March quarter, while the price of standard Newcastle thermal coal had risen from around $US89 per tonne in September to over $US93 a tonne in January.
Nevertheless, Whitehaven said that after allowing for NSW royalties of approximately 8 per cent and losses on the exchange rate - with the company effectively hedged at 97 cents - ‘‘the net revenue for spot thermal coal still remains at or below the FOB cash cost per tonne of many producers’’.
Whitehaven also said its bottom line result for the first half would be affected by an unspecified write-down of low-value coal inventory, asset adjustments associated with the Sunnyside Mine being placed on care and maintenance, and the derailment at Boggabri disrupting the Narrabri mine operations during December 2012.
Whitehaven is believed to be a potential takeover target and last month confirmed reports it had held talks with China’s Shenhua, which is developing the Watermark project in the Gunnedah Basin, although it said these did not result in an offer for the company.
There has also been speculation that Mr Tinkler, who owns 19.4 per cent of Whitehaven last year mounted an unsuccessful privatisation bid for the company, and then attempted to unsuccessfully to spill the board.
A six-month standstill agreement, which prevented Mr Tinkler from launching another takeover bid, expired this month.
Last year Mr Tinkler, who lives in Singapore, faced intense speculation about his financial position after wind-up actions were initiated against a number off his private companies by creditors including the tax office. Some of those proceedings have since been withdrawn after debts have been paid.
As BusinessDay reported on December 21, Mr Tinkler has debts to hedge fund Farallon Capital, including principal and interest, of as much as $700 million.
BusinessDay has previously reported that Mr Tinkler’s debts to Farallon, including principal and accumulated interest, amount to about $700 million and are secured against his stake in Whitehaven, worth $627 million at today’s prices.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/mini...fit-warning-20130131-2dmba.html#ixzz2JVsi6i7p
 
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why does he not pay his gambling debts ?

zero business reputation...every day being chased for unpaid debts...

this will hurt his future business dealings... who is going to lend this guy money ?


Modern day internet bookies dont generally send goons around to break your thumbs like the old days.

For this reason if someone had to prioritize their debts they would generally pay the bookie later than ATO and other important bills.

This is common sense 101
 

kmav23

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the guy is a massive gambler..with no ethics...

made huge amounts in short time,,,,, taking massive risks

e,g Eddy Groves with ABC learning..

these guys collapse quickly..and leave a trail of unpaid dets....

the bad publicity,,, is affecting how much would be offered for his WHC shares...

at the current share price.. he has zero net wealth...

his prob over 100% geared now...

when you that highly geared things everything can collapse in a matter of days !!!

His being sued left and right...
 
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Big Tim

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rnb11

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Funny how this shit has been going on for 8 months and yet the Knights are still in as a strong position as ever. What a f**king waste of time it's been for these clowns saying the club is in crisis. Who gives a shit if Tinkler goes broke or not, it hasn't happened yet and it most likely won't but even if it did it won't effect the Knights AT ALL. When will that be realised by kmav and his little lonely **k buddies
 
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It will affect us for sure, but it won't cripple us. What we do next will be completely up to the members... As it was (or should have been) in the past. Hopefully some lessons will have been learned from the sins of the past, and also the vast improvement of the present.
 

kmav23

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When the clubs owner goes from 1 billion to in debt, I'm sure there is an impact.

the knights will have to cut costs and spending.

No more million dollar coach.
 

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I have no interest in taking sides in this issue

Listeniing to the financial commnetator from the SMH on 2GB today, he was very cautious and a little wary of the future of one Nathan Tinkler. Said that his net worth is now $703 million ( all in Whitehaven) and his debts are $700 million. His income is now not enough to meet interest payments, what implication that has for the future of the Knights is debatable and a bit nerve wracking.

Think its best to be cautious and have an out that doesn't cost the Knights any future funds, they are a good club with great support, can't see them folding but they may not be in as secure a position as was originally understood by Thinklers involvement

Would imagine the Jets are nowhere near as secure
 

kmav23

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The knights need to plan for collapse as its a matter of time.

10 million will only last 2 years if tinkler is currently putting in 5 million a year.
 

Big Tim

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The knights need to plan for collapse as its a matter of time.

10 million will only last 2 years if tinkler is currently putting in 5 million a year.

Kmav, do you honestly think that the Knights will continue to spend as they are now if/when Tinkler runs out of cash????

Actually, dont answer that. Your previous posts speak volumes.
 

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I know the Knights don't have a leagues club but they are on of the best supported clubs in the comp, get great crowds and good local support from business. I've got no idea why they would be in financial trouble. On the other hand Tinks is faaaarked.
 

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Hmm ive always seen the knights as one of the best supported clubs, financial success obviously goes deeper then that but if you have crowds you are ahead of the game. I think a lot of clubs have suffered by being run in a fairly unproffessional way, 'jobs for the boys' type thing.

Edit: Also the knights had the greatest player ever for his whole career, they never really capitalised on that enough imo, Johns off field drama didnt help I guess.
 

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Hmm ive always seen the knights as one of the best supported clubs, financial success obviously goes deeper then that but if you have crowds you are ahead of the game. I think a lot of clubs have suffered by being run in a fairly unproffessional way, 'jobs for the boys' type thing.

Edit: Also the knights had the greatest player ever for his whole career, they never really capitalised on that enough imo, Johns off field drama didnt help I guess.

Behave, you must only have a memory that goes back about 15 years - the game is over 100 years old. Johns would be lucky to rate in the top 100 players of all time - the majority of his rep career was not even at half back.
 

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