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NBA Off-season Trades/news

El Coconuto

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We just signed Matt Barnes away from Phoenix. I don't know how we did it. Suddenly, we're throwing out a lineup of:

Nelson - Pietrus - Carter - Lewis - Howard with Gortat, Bass, Barnes, Reddick and Carter first off the bench.

I just spent the last half an hour trying to work out how we are still under the cap. We've pushed the luxury tax to it's limit. I haven't been this excited about an upcoming season in a long time. Let's see how the lads go with a little bit of expectation.
 

El Coconuto

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And personally, I'd go for a starting lineup of:

Nelson - Carter - Lewis - Bass - Howard and bring Peitrus, Gortat and Barnes off the bench.
 

Ridders

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AP Source: Bobcats, Hornets swapping centers


Posted Jul 28 2009 12:09AM
NEW YORK (AP) -- The Charlotte Bobcats are finalizing a trade that would send Emeka Okafor to the New Orleans Hornets for Tyson Chandler, two people familiar with the deal told The Associated Press on Monday. The swap of 26-year-old centers wasn't expected to be completed until Tuesday and was unlikely to include other players, the people said on condition of anonymity because an official announcement has not been made.

The deal would be another roster shake up for the Bobcats since Larry Brown took over as coach last season, and is a gamble because Chandler has been plagued by a left toe injury and recently underwent surgery.
Okafor was the No. 2 overall pick -- after Orlando took Dwight Howard -- in the 2004 draft. Okafor was the first pick in franchise history and the Bobcats re-signed him to a six-year, $72 million deal before last season.
The 6-foot-10 Okafor averaged 13.2 points and 10.1 rebounds for Charlotte last season. But Brown questioned his passion at the end of the season.

"I tease him that he's got an A in stretching and pilates and yoga. I want him to have an A in basketball," Brown said two days after Charlotte finished 35-47. "It makes older people feel great, but he's got to work on his game. ... There's no better guy than him, I just want him to have a passion to play the sport because it ends so quickly."
Chandler is taller, at 7-1, but averaged only 8.8 points and 8.3 rebounds in an unsettling season that saw him traded to Oklahoma City, then returned to New Orleans. The deal was rescinded because the Thunder had concerns about a left toe injury.
Chandler later had a left ankle injury that kept him out of the Hornets' final playoff game. He underwent surgery on his toe and ankle in May, but Hornets officials said he would be ready for training camp.
The Hornets don't figure to have injury concerns with Okafor, who has played all 82 games in each of the past two seasons. While he is a solid rebounder, he has struggled offensively and is a poor free-throw shooter.
While Okafor has a longer contract, the players make about the same each year, making it an easier deal to fit under the salary cap. Chandler is slated to make $11.8 million in 2009-10, with a player's option worth $12.7 million in 2010-11.
Okafor is scheduled to earn $10.5 million next season, meaning the Hornets could lower 2009-2010 payroll by $1.3 million. If the Hornets have to pay the league's dollar-for-dollar luxury tax next season, the savings effectively could be double.
As of Monday, with Chandler still on the books, the Hornets' payroll was about $78 million, close to $8 million above the NBA's luxury tax threshold of $69.9 million for next season.
Still, a trade for Okafor would lock New Orleans into a longer financial commitment.
Chandler's shorter contract could help the Bobcats get long-term salary-cap relief and lower payroll for owner Bob Johnson, who is looking to sell the team after deep financial losses.
Once completed, it would mark the fourth major trade for the Bobcats since Brown took his NBA record ninth head coaching job. The team, which will begin its sixth season in the fall, is still looking for its first playoff berth.

Very interesting from NO. After the trade that was eventually rejected from Seattle, you would have assumed the Hornets would be looking to dump salary, not pick up big contracts. Good signs for New Orleans fans.
 

McLovin

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I think Okafor's the better all-round player. Chandler fits into the NOH system alot better than i recon Okafor will...

What the hell is Charlotte doing??
 

Ridders

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Okafor is a much better defender imo, and has been able to stay on the court in recent times, whereas Chandler injuries are still a question. One problem with the deal for NOH is whether Okafor and Paul can develop the same understanding that CP3 had with Chandler. Will be interesting to see how Chandler goes without having Paul carry him offensively.
 

Tiger Hawk

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Slam dunk for the Hornets. Okafor is the better player and will save them money. Win-win situation for them. Chandler is a decent player but doesn't fit at the Bobcats and was made to look a lot better offensively thanks to playing with the best point guard on the planet.
 

McLovin

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Okafor's ppg should improve next to Paul. NO was a contender BEFORE the Oak/Chandler trade, this just turns them into a monster imo...

PG: Paul
SG: ??
SF: Stojakovic
PF: West
C: Okafor

Not a bad bunch of starters. Good inside/outside players..
 

Ridders

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I'm surprised Charlotte would make this deal, althought i suppose it is a shorter contract and cap space is all the rave in the current NBA climate.
 
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Etan Thomas/2 2nds for Wilkins and Atkins was done for the t-wolves

its a strange deal that saves us a few millions

good news is atkins is getting traded soon and whoever gets him will get a great deal
cause if you waive him before the season hes contract goes from 3-4 mill to $736,000,im sure theres a few teams that wanna get under the cap that could really use hes expiry
 

Panthers_God

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Slam dunk for the Hornets. Okafor is the better player and will save them money. Win-win situation for them. Chandler is a decent player but doesn't fit at the Bobcats and was made to look a lot better offensively thanks to playing with the best point guard on the planet.

Save them money? Okafor is on a long contract...

Anyway although they are the same age Okafor has much more room for improvement than Chandler does.

If New Orleans play more up-tempo it could suit Okafor. He will be a monster on the boards in N.O.
 

Tiger Hawk

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Yeah.....but he's contracted to earn less than Chandler the next two years ($1m or so I think), plus they're over the cap so you can double that due to the luxury tax. Also, as he's a better player they'd be hoping for a deep playoff run, more home games, more merchandise sales, morey revenue etc etc.

Just because he's on a longer contract doesn't mean he's going to cost them more....they'd have to find somebody to replace Chandler, anyway, or re-sign him, so I have NFI what contract length has to do with it. If it was an unproductive player coming in, such as Kwame Brown, fair enough, but given it's an upgrade in talent, for less money over the length of Chandler's contract, it's a stupid argument.
 

Special K

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I really like Okafor. I hope this change sees him reach his potential.

The Bobcats running with Chandler/Diaw/Wallace in their front court is pretty interesting imo. They need to move Nazr or Diop though as they have so much money invested in these 3 big men (including chandler) who can't really score.
 

El Coconuto

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Yeah.....but he's contracted to earn less than Chandler the next two years ($1m or so I think), plus they're over the cap so you can double that due to the luxury tax. Also, as he's a better player they'd be hoping for a deep playoff run, more home games, more merchandise sales, morey revenue etc etc.

Just because he's on a longer contract doesn't mean he's going to cost them more....they'd have to find somebody to replace Chandler, anyway, or re-sign him, so I have NFI what contract length has to do with it. If it was an unproductive player coming in, such as Kwame Brown, fair enough, but given it's an upgrade in talent, for less money over the length of Chandler's contract, it's a stupid argument.

Touchy touchy when someone doesn't agree with you...

I wouldn't have traded for Okafor in the current market - and I really really like the guy too. With all due respect to the Hornets, $12m per season -- which is what Okafor is on -- is Carlos Boozer money, and I know who I'd much rather have of the two.

The thing is, Chandler's agent has already admitted that they're only going for a contract of around $6-7m per year when his current deal expires. The way Chandler played last year, he'll be lucky to get anything more than the mid-level by the time his current deal expires. Assuming his agent miraculously pulls off a wonder four-year contract at $7m per season, that's still $15m less than Okafor's current contract and that's his "at best" (unless your silly enough to believe he'll increase his stook playing in Charlotte, of course) situation.

So, would I have rather paid Okafor $60m over the next five years, or Chandler $45m? I'd probably ride it out with Chandler. Of course, that's just me.
 
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El Coconuto

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Whoops, I just looked at the salaries and miscalculated. Assuming Chandler doesn't have a breakout season in the either of the last two remaining years of his current contract (and there's a 95% chance it'll play out that way), he would actually end up costing $43m over the next five years if he reaches his agents target, not $45m. My badness.
 

Tiger Hawk

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Touchy? Not really. I didn't call the poster stupid, but when I see a stupid argument, I'm going to call it that.

An athletic, defensive-minded seven footer who will still be in his 20s when his current deal expires earning the mid-level? Come on....the only way that happens is if he's injured the next two years. Even then, odds are some bozo will still overpay him.

Agreed that I'd rather pay Boozer that sort of money than Okafor.....but Okafor still earns less than Chandler the next two years, plus does all the things he does AND more.
 

Special K

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Chandler will get a full MLE. I doubt he gets higher infact I could see him going a tad lower then the MLE
 
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