NBA Teams on the Up and Down

[Panthers_God]

not really not many teams have decent centres i mean look who spurs have oberto and elson hardley great centres hell perkins and pollard are better

and kg > duncan

sucks we lost him but with the young talent minnesota have now im hopeing we can be a force in a few years

Hahaha, I agree with you but I wouldn't say that on these forums, not many people agree with you there.

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

Hahaha, I agree with you but I wouldn't say that on these forums, not many people agree with you there.

dont get me wrong duncan is a great player and hes in the same league as kg but if someone wants too tell me how hes better im all for it

championships are not acceptable cause duncan in minnesota wouldnt = playoffs either :roll:

 

[Stonecutter]

dont get me wrong duncan is a great player and hes in the same league as kg but if someone wants too tell me how hes better im all for it

championships are not acceptable cause duncan in minnesota wouldnt = playoffs either :roll:

Isn't the the goal of NBA teams to win championships? I'm sure you could put Kobe or Shaq in that team and they wouldn't make the playoffs either.

Does that make them less better players then KG as well?

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

Isn't the the goal of NBA teams to win championships? I'm sure you could put Kobe or Shaq in that team and they wouldn't make the playoffs either.

Does that make them less better players then KG as well?

shaq and kobe are great but not even kobe himself can do it alone he had shaq just like duncan had gillnobli and parker and they also had great choaches which minnesota has never had any of that

im happy if u think duncan is better than KG but it better be for a better reason than hes never won a championship

 

[Stonecutter]

Personally player ability wise TD and KG are about even imo. It's just in terms of NBA greatness where TD has the edge and KG gets lost in the shadows purely because of the championships and the spurs dynasty.

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

Personally player ability wise TD and KG are about even imo. It's just in terms of NBA greatness where TD has the edge and KG gets lost in the shadows purely because of the championships and the spurs dynasty.

KG dystany is only just beginning while the spurs are getting older and will find it hard too repeat

 

[El Coconuto]

im happy if u think duncan is better than KG but it better be for a better reason than hes never won a championship

Unbelievable...

Alright, here goes.

Firstly, you're wrong when you say that if you swap Duncan and Garnett that Duncan doesn't go to the playoffs. The 03-04 Spurs (The first non-Robinson year of Parker, Turkoglu, Duncan, Bowen, Nesterovich) were remarkably weaker than the 04-05 Timberwolves (Cassell, Spreewell, Szczerbiak, Garnett, Olowakandi), but went all the way to the Conference Semifinals, racking up 57 regular season wins in comparison with the 04-05 T'Wolves who bombed out with 44 wins and no playoffs appearance. It's ludacris to say that if you swap Duncan with Garnett, that Garnett would have the rings and Duncan would not. Evidently, this isn't true.

I'll freely admit that Kevin Garnett is a more talented basketball player than Tim Duncan. But you know what, so is Smush Parker, Zac Randolph and Corey Brewer, just to name a very very small minority. Does that make any of them better than Tim Duncan? Of course not. We've already argued this before, but anyone who uses this as a draw string for validating KG over TD is vehemently tripping.

When I see Kevin Garnett commanding triple-teams AT THE WING (not just in the post) than I'll be prepared to even consider him in the same court spreading domain as TD. Until then, I'll always remember him as the guy who burnt Cassell and Chauncy Billups (who people easily forget played with Garnett) instead of thriving of their penetration.

And finally, to win last years unpreceedented stacked West is the silver lining when comparing TD and KG. Even if KG wins this years East, it will not compared to how bizarely good last years Western Conference was.

Tim Duncan is a better NBA player than Kevin Garnett. Basketball player, not necessarily. NBA player, head and shoulders...

 

[El Coconuto]

shaq and kobe are great but not even kobe himself can do it alone he had shaq just like duncan had gillnobli and parker and they also had great choaches which minnesota has never had any of that

Whaaaaaat! Between Spreewell, Cassell and Szczerbiak they have six all star appearances?

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

Whaaaaaat! Between Spreewell, Cassell and Szczerbiak they have six all star appearances?

1 year and guess what he was named mvp and he would of had a championship if Cassell had not been injured

Wally was out almost the whole season infact i dont remember a time when wally hasnt been injured

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

Firstly, you're wrong when you say that if you swap Duncan and Garnett that Duncan doesn't go to the playoffs. The 03-04 Spurs (The first non-Robinson year of Parker, Turkoglu, Duncan, Bowen, Nesterovich) were remarkably weaker than the 04-05 Timberwolves (Cassell, Spreewell, Szczerbiak, Garnett, Olowakandi), but went all the way to the Conference Semifinals, racking up 57 regular season wins in comparison with the 04-05 T'Wolves who bombed out with 44 wins and no playoffs appearance. It's ludacris to say that if you swap Duncan with Garnett, that Garnett would have the rings and Duncan would not. Evidently, this isn't true.

that 04-05 season was wrecked by idiots like spree who wanted more money and cassell was out injured there was a lot of problems with hes supporting cast and im sure duncan couldnt offer spree more money too feed hes family :lol:

Rasho is also better than kandi and im sure wally didnt even play half the games

so im sure duncan on the wolves at that stage wouldnt have helped one bit and no way would wolves be a playoff team with duncan instead of kg at that stage

I'll freely admit that Kevin Garnett is a more talented basketball player than Tim Duncan. But you know what, so is Smush Parker, Zac Randolph and Corey Brewer, just to name a very very small minority. Does that make any of them better than Tim Duncan? Of course not. We've already argued this before, but anyone who uses this as a draw string for validating KG over TD is vehemently tripping.

my opnion i actually feel there quiet even but if the wolves were better run im sure we would have the championships

When I see Kevin Garnett commanding triple-teams AT THE WING (not just in the post) than I'll be prepared to even consider him in the same court spreading domain as TD. Until then, I'll always remember him as the guy who burnt Cassell and Chauncy Billups (who people easily forget played with Garnett) instead of thriving of their penetration.

please watch some wolves games u will find KG is triple teamed a lot

Billups wanted more money which taylor didnt think he deserved and at that point he didnt

And finally, to win last years unpreceedented stacked West is the silver lining when comparing TD and KG. Even if KG wins this years East, it will not compared to how bizarely good last years Western Conference was.

stacked how ???? i mean both dallas and suns are chokcers there was no way either team would win the west esp when dallas finished 1st and drawed GS
Utah and Houston werent ready and are still a few years of all the rest were avg teams

Tim Duncan is a better NBA player than Kevin Garnett. Basketball player, not necessarily. NBA player, head and shoulders

your opnion im sure there are people that will agree with you and people that dont at least u didnt use the excuse that duncan is only better cause he won the championships

 

[El Coconuto]

Don't change your argument! You said he never had any support like Tim Duncan had and that's a farce. That team was assembled for two years and Wally played 81 games in the second season and then 72 the next in Boston. You said that Minnesota never had good coaches. THEY HAD FLIP FREAKING SAUNDERS! He took the T-Wolves to their then-record best in his first full season of head coach and then took the Pistons to their best regular season record in franchise history the year after he left and became an All Star coach. And he's a bad coach?

So what if KG won the MVP that year? Even in that MVP year, Tim Duncan was lined up beside him in the All NBA First team? TD has been in that team 8 times in comparison with KG's 3. That isn't a fluke.

If I'm a Boston fan, I'm very happy that KG is coming. He's a great player. But KG has proven in the past that he can't get it done with an all star cast. And if he doesn't get the job done with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce (and their 13 all star appearances) when all three of them are at the apex of their primes (Allen being the only one of the massive downer) then he deserves to enter that spotty Allen Iverson (great player, no lock to enter the playoffs/win a championship) category.

Gosh I can't wait for Fantasy NBA!

 

[El Coconuto]

that 04-05 season was wrecked by idiots like spree who wanted more money and cassell was out injured there was a lot of problems with hes supporting cast and im sure duncan couldnt offer spree more money too feed hes family :lol:

Rasho is also better than kandi and im sure wally didnt even play half the games

so im sure duncan on the wolves at that stage wouldnt have helped one bit and no way would wolves be a playoff team with duncan instead of kg at that stage

WHAT!? That's why Duncan on that team would've been a million times better than KG on that team. Duncan is a chemsity guy! He would've kept everyone on the same page and makes everyone else a bajillion times better than they are. KG never EVER kept Spree in line. If it wasn't for Cassell that team would've fallen apart long before the all star break that year than they did. Kandi didn't even start those games. Mark Madsen and Sam Mitchell did. And they were both more dependable than Rasho in the post.

my opnion i actually feel there quiet even but if the wolves were better run im sure we would have the championships

They made a big mistake in blowing up the team too early. Aside from that, this point isn't relevant before the 04-05 season when then continually provided KG with his ammunition. In recent history they've been horrible. (Not Mchale's fault by the way) But back then, that wasn't the case.

please watch some wolves games u will find KG is triple teamed a lot

Billups wanted more money which taylor didnt think he deserved and at that point he didnt

Hahahahaha! Thanks to my NBA TV subscription I have been the beneficiary of many KG games and again I'll put it in caps incase it was missed. KG doesn't command triple teams AT THE WING! The only time he ever gets triple teamed is in the post or on the elbow. That's why Michael Finley (nothing but a 3 point shooter nowadays) and Manu (heading down that same path) thrive. Because TD spreads the floor A LOT further than KG does.

stacked how ???? i mean both dallas and suns are chokcers there was no way either team would win the west esp when dallas finished 1st and drawed GS
Utah and Houston werent ready and are still a few years of all the rest were avg teams

Dallas didn't choke. Avery Johnson choked. Suns didn't choke. They got hosed by the NBA. Look at the East's best team! Detroit would've been fourth in the West this year and were five games behind the Spurs. KG's best team would never have made it out of this years West (based on proven hyperbole) and Duncan's third best team did. That's how stacked they were. And they're only getting better with Oden/Durrant/Brewer/Conley Jr.

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

WHAT!? That's why Duncan on that team would've been a million times better than KG on that team. Duncan is a chemsity guy! He would've kept everyone on the same page and makes everyone else a bajillion times better than they are. KG never EVER kept Spree in line. If it wasn't for Cassell that team would've fallen apart long before the all star break that year than they did. Kandi didn't even start those games. Mark Madsen and Sam Mitchell did. And they were both more dependable than Rasho in the post.

duncan on that team would not have made us great ,sprewell is a nut case plain and simple there was no way hn hell he could ask taylor too sign spree too the money he wanted and no way would duncan hold the team together it was out of control

btw are u saying that KG doesnt make players better ???? u really havent been watching any wolves games :crazy: Just look at how well Blount went this year

and it wasnt just Cassell that held the team together im pretty sure Hoiberg and hassell were both great that season as well

They made a big mistake in blowing up the team too early. Aside from that, this point isn't relevant before the 04-05 season when then continually provided KG with his ammunition. In recent history they've been horrible. (Not Mchale's fault by the way) But back then, that wasn't the case.

it was out of control and wolves had no choice it just wasnt working
flip was losing control with all the egos that were on the team

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

Don't change your argument! You said he never had any support like Tim Duncan had and that's a farce. That team was assembled for two years and Wally played 81 games in the second season and then 72 the next in Boston. You said that Minnesota never had good coaches. THEY HAD FLIP FREAKING SAUNDERS! He took the T-Wolves to their then-record best in his first full season of head coach and then took the Pistons to their best regular season record in franchise history the year after he left and became an All Star coach. And he's a bad coach?

So what if KG won the MVP that year? Even in that MVP year, Tim Duncan was lined up beside him in the All NBA First team? TD has been in that team 8 times in comparison with KG's 3. That isn't a fluke.

If I'm a Boston fan, I'm very happy that KG is coming. He's a great player. But KG has proven in the past that he can't get it done with an all star cast. And if he doesn't get the job done with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce (and their 13 all star appearances) when all three of them are at the apex of their primes (Allen being the only one of the massive downer) then he deserves to enter that spotty Allen Iverson (great player, no lock to enter the playoffs/win a championship) category.

Gosh I can't wait for Fantasy NBA!

KG had that cast for 2 years and im pretty sure if Spree didnt chuck a fit or if Cassell had stayed healthy we would of won a championship in those 2 years

im still saying kg and duncan are dead even imo

 

[El Coconuto]

btw are u saying that KG doesnt make players better ???? u really havent been watching any wolves games :crazy: Just look at how well Blount went this year

Yep, every casual fan just scratched their heads thinking "who the hell is that?" Good job, KG.

Let the record show that while Tim Duncan was busy making Manu Ginobili and Tony Park, KG was making Mark Blount. :sarcasm: Close call right there...

 

[El Coconuto]

im still saying kg and duncan are dead even imo

Hmmmmm...Interesting...I was sure this was the original comment...

kg > duncan

sucks we lost him but with the young talent minnesota have now im hopeing we can be a force in a few years

By the way, I think Minnesota got the better end of the deal and will be back in the playoffs within the next three years.

 

[McLovin]

El Coco VS Joel Caine

Fantasy NBA's newest rivalry...

 

[McLovin]

And for the record...Pop made Gino and TP, not TD. Take all the winning and championships aside and IMO, KG is the better baller of the two and is one of the biggest wastes of talent ever.

Here's a decent article comparing the two...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007...tim-duncan-a-comparison-of-two-of-the-league/

 

[Stonecutter]

And for the record...Pop made Gino and TP, not TD. Take all the winning and championships aside and IMO, KG is the better baller of the two and is one of the biggest wastes of talent ever.

Here's a decent article comparing the two...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/05/17/kevin-garnett-vs-tim-duncan-a-comparison-of-two-of-the-league/

You can't say that just one person can make players good. Don't forget that before TD was drafted the SPurs were horrible. It was just lucky that in Pops first full eyar in the NBA he had a tandem of Robinson and Duncan.

You also can't underestimate the value a great centre such as TD can give you. When you watch him play he dictates and controls the tempo of any NBA game. He still averages 20 points 11 rebounds 4-5 assist and 2-3 blocks a game while only taking around 15 shots and playing only 30-35 minutes a game. Other great players can average this when taking 30 shots a game and playing 45 minutes each game.

 

[joel caine number 1 fan]

Yep, every casual fan just scratched their heads thinking "who the hell is that?" Good job, KG.

Let the record show that while Tim Duncan was busy making Manu Ginobili and Tony Park, KG was making Mark Blount. :sarcasm: Close call right there...

blah Blount owned the spurs earlier in the year when he hit 28 points on them duncan couldnt stop him :lol: