New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Pippen94]

NZRL and ARL are broke and can barely organise a piss up at a brewery. Warriors do some work but seem to rarely look outside of Auckland and even then are competing with 16 other NRL clubs and 6 Super Rugby clubs for players- it’s a bit of a myth that they have first access and preference to nz players

I'm not familiar with ur posting here. Are you in favour of 2nd kiwi team?!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

NZRL and ARL are broke and can barely organise a piss up at a brewery. Warriors do some work but seem to rarely look outside of Auckland and even then are competing with 16 other NRL clubs and 6 Super Rugby clubs for players- it’s a bit of a myth that they have first access and preference to nz players

In other words, RL in NZ is in a similar position to RU in Australia?

 

[Wb1234]

It's always been that way so that's the way it has to be isn't the answer.
They can definitely develop these pathways! Another team makes that possible!
The Warriors are getting serious with their pathways! ( better late than never!) Once they start to see the fruits, they will want to expand that! Which isn't practical flying multiple teams across the tasman every other week.
With an additional team There's no reason why there can't be an 8 or so schools across the country with elite rugby league scholarship programs.

The sleeping giant is waking ..

Spending say 20 million pa to set up a schools and junior system like union has in nz would be the biggest waste of money

kiwi juniors playing each other each week (no matter their talent) will never compete with the Aussie system

a second nz nrl side with under 16 to reserve grade as part of our systems provides actual nrl ready juniors.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

In other words, RL in NZ is in a similar position to RU in Australia?

Except RU is Aus is still well connected to a lot of people with money and business acumen. League in NZ doesn’t have that advantage, quite the opposite. The administration are pretty much just ex players from working class backgrounds.

 

[Wb1234]

Except RU is Aus is still well connected to a lot of people with money and business acumen. League in NZ doesn’t have that advantage, quite the opposite. The administration are pretty much just ex players from working class backgrounds.

Yep nzrl wouldn’t get so many extra chances that Aussie union gets

the nzru are helping keep the Aru Alive by giving them 8 million pa from their tv deal

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Except RU is Aus is still well connected to a lot of people with money and business acumen. League in NZ doesn’t have that advantage, quite the opposite. The administration are pretty much just ex players from working class backgrounds.

It's a pity the ARLC aren't in a position to fund a second NZ team like AwFuL does with their expansion teams.

 

[Wb1234]

It's a pity the ARLC aren't in a position to fund a second NZ team like AwFuL does with their expansion teams.

They make 50 million pa they could if they wanted too

plus Aussie tv and nz tv would more than cover the cost

but the other clubs won’t allow one club to get a bigger grant than the rest which the afl do (to a ridiculous level)

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

They make 50 million pa they could if they wanted too

plus Aussie tv and nz tv would more than cover the cost

but the other clubs won’t allow one club to get a bigger grant than the rest which the afl do (to a ridiculous level)

The way the ARLC is set up prevents one club from getting preferential treatment. Melbourne Storm are lucky they entered the NRL when News Ltd held a 50% stake in the game.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The way the ARLC is set up prevents one club from getting preferential treatment. Melbourne Storm are lucky they entered the NRL when News Ltd held a 50% stake in the game.

Let's hope it never changes!
Every year people talk about drafts and concessions..
f**k off.
Same rules for everyone all the time.
Wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Canard]

Let's hope it never changes!
Every year people talk about drafts and concessions..
f**k off.
Same rules for everyone all the time.
Wouldn't have it any other way.

It's not though is it?

-Penrith being able to have a player serve a suspension at a time that's convenient.

- Daniel Tupou taking people's heads off and not getting even penalised, when other players get 4 weeks for a shoulder charge.

 

[Wb1234]

Kiwi junior numbers are shrinking

 

[Matiunz]

In other words, RL in NZ is in a similar position to RU in Australia?

Much much worse, at least ARU have a level of professionalism

 

[Matua]

Much much worse, at least ARU have a level of professionalism

TBF, this is only true now they've dumped McLennan.

 

[Matiunz]

I'm not familiar with ur posting here. Are you in favour of 2nd kiwi team?!

I am in favour of a 2nd NZ team, it just needs to be done right.
Plonking a 2nd team in NZ without support in pathways and assisting a 2nd tier national comp is just setting it up to fail.
I think many in Aus assume league in NZ is run much better than it actually is- from my experience the Union club comp in Sydney is run far better than the league club in Auckland, most would get a huge culture shock at the state of league in NZ at grass roots level.
We already see the problems the Warriors have in attracting even NZ talent, NZ2 will have this issue amplified. Without any semblance of decent development systems the majority of NZ players will continue to flock to Australian schools for their development- most won’t come back.
Location is another issue with both of the ‘next best’ options not being a slam dunk on their own merit. Christchurch has the advantage of a new purpose built stadium, a stronger local comp and a more parochial supporter base (akin to qld vs nsw mentality) as most locals are born and bred to the region. However it’s main con is that due to its geographical location it would pretty much be a solely South Island entity which outside of CHCH and to a lesser extent Dunedin (4.5 hours away) the rest of the island is VERY sparsely populated and it’d be unlikely you’d get too many supporters outside of Canterbury. The one eyed popularity of the Crusaders could potentially impact supporter base.
Wellington is a lot more centrally located and much closer to a larger population base which would likely tap into the northern part of the South Island as well as the bottom 2/3rds of the North. Being the Capital it has better access to higher profiler corporate support. Cons being although a great location in the cbd the stadium needs to be full or close to for atmosphere. This leads into its next con as Wellington can be a bit fickle with its support and don’t tend to tolerate teams not performing. Local comp is struggling but is traditionally stronger and would likely get an injection of interest if a team was based there

 

[MugaB]

I am in favour of a 2nd NZ team, it just needs to be done right.
Plonking a 2nd team in NZ without support in pathways and assisting a 2nd tier national comp is just setting it up to fail.
I think many in Aus assume league in NZ is run much better than it actually is- from my experience the Union club comp in Sydney is run far better than the league club in Auckland, most would get a huge culture shock at the state of league in NZ at grass roots level.
We already see the problems the Warriors have in attracting even NZ talent, NZ2 will have this issue amplified. Without any semblance of decent development systems the majority of NZ players will continue to flock to Australian schools for their development- most won’t come back.
Location is another issue with both of the ‘next best’ options not being a slam dunk on their own merit. Christchurch has the advantage of a new purpose built stadium, a stronger local comp and a more parochial supporter base (akin to qld vs nsw mentality) as most locals are born and bred to the region. However it’s main con is that due to its geographical location it would pretty much be a solely South Island entity which outside of CHCH and to a lesser extent Dunedin (4.5 hours away) the rest of the island is VERY sparsely populated and it’d be unlikely you’d get too many supporters outside of Canterbury. The one eyed popularity of the Crusaders could potentially impact supporter base.
Wellington is a lot more centrally located and much closer to a larger population base which would likely tap into the northern part of the South Island as well as the bottom 2/3rds of the North. Being the Capital it has better access to higher profiler corporate support. Cons being although a great location in the cbd the stadium needs to be full or close to for atmosphere. This leads into its next con as Wellington can be a bit fickle with its support and don’t tend to tolerate teams not performing. Local comp is struggling but is traditionally stronger and would likely get an injection of interest if a team was based there

Both areas have those distance cons, i suggested Hamilton as its close enough to Auckland and BOP, which is basically, roughly more than half the population of NZ, if you want a derby thats achievable from a car ride hour away, not a plane ride to either Wellington or Christchurch, just to see the warriors

 

[Gobsmacked]

It's not though is it?

-Penrith being able to have a player serve a suspension at a time that's convenient.

- Daniel Tupou taking people's heads off and not getting even penalised, when other players get 4 weeks for a shoulder charge.

These are the kinda small things people find because they don't think they deserve happiness and say in endless outrage... good luck with that.

 

[Wb1234]

I am in favour of a 2nd NZ team, it just needs to be done right.
Plonking a 2nd team in NZ without support in pathways and assisting a 2nd tier national comp is just setting it up to fail.
I think many in Aus assume league in NZ is run much better than it actually is- from my experience the Union club comp in Sydney is run far better than the league club in Auckland, most would get a huge culture shock at the state of league in NZ at grass roots level.
We already see the problems the Warriors have in attracting even NZ talent, NZ2 will have this issue amplified. Without any semblance of decent development systems the majority of NZ players will continue to flock to Australian schools for their development- most won’t come back.
Location is another issue with both of the ‘next best’ options not being a slam dunk on their own merit. Christchurch has the advantage of a new purpose built stadium, a stronger local comp and a more parochial supporter base (akin to qld vs nsw mentality) as most locals are born and bred to the region. However it’s main con is that due to its geographical location it would pretty much be a solely South Island entity which outside of CHCH and to a lesser extent Dunedin (4.5 hours away) the rest of the island is VERY sparsely populated and it’d be unlikely you’d get too many supporters outside of Canterbury. The one eyed popularity of the Crusaders could potentially impact supporter base.
Wellington is a lot more centrally located and much closer to a larger population base which would likely tap into the northern part of the South Island as well as the bottom 2/3rds of the North. Being the Capital it has better access to higher profiler corporate support. Cons being although a great location in the cbd the stadium needs to be full or close to for atmosphere. This leads into its next con as Wellington can be a bit fickle with its support and don’t tend to tolerate teams not performing. Local comp is struggling but is traditionally stronger and would likely get an injection of interest if a team was based there

Warriors didn’t need a National second tier conp

the new clubs pathways will be in Australia just like the wahs

 

[Matua]

Warriors didn’t need a National second tier conp

the new clubs pathways will be in Australia just like the wahs

The Warriors have been a struggling club the majority of their existence, you're a little too high on one year of performing decently.

To give you more context, there's only 25k registered league players in NZ. That's less than 1/5th of registered rugby players. Without pathways in NZ you can't overturn those figures. And as long as those figures exist league will never deal the blow you want it to over rugby.

Your stated goal of taking over NZ rugby and your belief in Australians pathways only for NZ pro clubs are at odds with each other.

 

[Matua]

Both areas have those distance cons, i suggested Hamilton as its close enough to Auckland and BOP, which is basically, roughly more than half the population of NZ, if you want a derby thats achievable from a car ride hour away, not a plane ride to either Wellington or Christchurch, just to see the warriors

I think Hamilton is too close. Then we just have two upper north island teams and you're not going to draw much support for the new team from the rest of the country.

 

[Canard]

The Warriors have been a struggling club the majority of their existence, you're a little too high on one year of performing decently.

Bit like how much stead is being put into the Dolphins one season.

Suddenly we can expand to 20+ teams, QLD can support multiple new teams etc etc.