New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[SirPies&Beers]

David Moffett: On calling out the Warriors for blocking NRL expansion bids

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Sports Fix: Thursday 20th February 2025

On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave and Jason Pine for Thursday 20 February 2025, South Island Kea CEO David Moffett talks about the One NZ Warriors attem

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[Matua]

Bold bit is often debatable

"with NZers who can't play for NZ because of the arbitrary Origin rules" seemed like a bit too much to write, but now that I've done it, it wasn't too bad.

 

[Matua]

^^^ Union boy here seems threatened lol

It's no secret I don't like Origin and how it negatively impacts NZ league (you know the place you supposedly care about in this thread) by weakening our player pool and forcing NZ PIs eligible for Origin to turn down NZ but be allowed to play for a country other than Oz.

That's got nothing to do with rugby, but you do you.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

So, put the blame on the individual instead, the game isn't forcing anyone to do anything. What a weak piss poor excuse.

 

[Perth Red]

So, put the blame on the individual instead, the game isn't forcing anyone to do anything. What a weak piss poor excuse.

It kind of is. The Origin rules clearly drive some kiwi eligible players into the arms of the PI nations squads. Not necessarily a bad thing imo as makes the whole region more competitive, and if NZ had 1st pick of all its players we could see them totally dominate and Australia become a poor second which wouldn't go down well at NRLHQ lol.

 

[Wb1234]

It's no secret I don't like Origin and how it negatively impacts NZ league (you know the place you supposedly care about in this thread) by weakening our player pool and forcing NZ PIs eligible for Origin to turn down NZ but be allowed to play for a country other than Oz.

That's got nothing to do with rugby, but you do you.

Only issue you can raise is tier two pacific nations being able play to play origin and then not have to play for Australia.

The super league tri series was a fail

How will it look if nz can’t beat nsw or qld

Which bc it’s mid year they won’t

 

[SirPies&Beers]

It kind of is. The Origin rules clearly drive some kiwi eligible players into the arms of the PI nations squads. Not necessarily a bad thing imo as makes the whole region more competitive, and if NZ had 1st pick of all its players we could see them totally dominate and Australia become a poor second which wouldn't go down well at NRLHQ lol.

yeah sure because all the best players in their current respective positions are kiwi's right?

perthwrongs, ding dong
dislikes nsw, dislikes qld, dislikes australia why is this goose turd even on a rugby league forum where majority of clubs are from nsw and qld lol

 

[Gobsmacked]

It's no secret I don't like Origin and how it negatively impacts NZ league (you know the place you supposedly care about in this thread) by weakening our player pool and forcing NZ PIs eligible for Origin to turn down NZ but be allowed to play for a country other than Oz.

That's got nothing to do with rugby, but you do you.

I'm against that aspect also. Ponga should be playing for Queensland and be eligible for NZ and I believe he truly feels patriotic towards both those places.
But Origin is big in NZ regardless..it would be a massive promotion for Rugby league in NZ, absolutely massive!
It just so happens that you are against a positive promotion for Rugby league in NZ..what a shock lol

 

[Gobsmacked]

yeah sure because all the best players in their current respective positions are kiwi's right?

perthwrongs, ding dong
dislikes nsw, dislikes qld, dislikes australia why is this goose turd even on a rugby league forum where majority of clubs are from nsw and qld lol

Well there are actually a few that would probably represent NZ if it weren't for Origin over the years. Currently Tino ( on his day one of the best back row) Ponga ( best fullback)
We do need to change the eligibility rules.

 

[Gobsmacked]

It kind of is. The Origin rules clearly drive some kiwi eligible players into the arms of the PI nations squads. Not necessarily a bad thing imo as makes the whole region more competitive, and if NZ had 1st pick of all its players we could see them totally dominate and Australia become a poor second which wouldn't go down well at NRLHQ lol.

You right but I doubt it has a dark motive, it's just outdated.
I think NRL HQ would appreciate a more competitive NZ , look what that has done for Union.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Well there are actually a few that would probably represent NZ if it weren't for Origin over the years. Currently Tino ( on his day one of the best back row) Ponga ( best fullback)
We do need to change the eligibility rules.

Ponga isnt even the best QLD fullback let alone in general and Tino is a mid not back row.

edwards - fb
lomax - wg
munster - 5/8
cleary - h/b
grant - hk
martin - 2r
critchon - 2r
yeo - lk

8 starters of the 13 that are locked in best. couple benchies too, a couple superstars also not playing their club position i.e turbo etc.

aussies might be light on out and out mids but blokes like cotter put in way more than 98% of the mids in the comp no matter where they from or who they represent.

anyways digressing big time here so apologise but needed to highlight how perthwrongs, ding dong is wrong yet again. its like he doesnt actually watch any footy, instead spends his time here and on social media talking about a product he has 0 clue in lol

for reference i have

critchon - ctr (samoa)
farnsworth - ctr (england)
to'o - wg (samoa)
hass - p (samoa)
AFB - p (tonga)

as the other 5 positions in the 13.
3 samoans, 1 englishmen and 1 tongan (although has played for kiwis too). theres no out and out kiwis in the best 13. maybe 1 in the best 17.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Ponga isnt even the best QLD fullback let alone in general and Tino is a mid not back row.

edwards - fb
lomax - wg
munster - 5/8
cleary - h/b
grant - hk
martin - 2r
critchon - 2r
yeo - lk

8 starters of the 13 that are locked in best. couple benchies too, a couple superstars also not playing their club position i.e turbo etc.

aussies might be light on out and out mids but blokes like cotter put in way more than 98% of the mids in the comp no matter where they from or who they represent.

anyways digressing big time here so apologise but needed to highlight how perthwrongs, ding dong is wrong yet again. its like he doesnt actually watch any footy, instead spends his time here and on social media talking about a product he has 0 clue in lol

for reference i have

critchon - ctr (samoa)
farnsworth - ctr (england)
to'o - wg (samoa)
hass - p (samoa)
AFB - p (tonga)

as the other 5 positions in the 13.
3 samoans, 1 englishmen and 1 tongan (although has played for kiwis too). theres no out and out kiwis in the best 13. maybe 1 in the best 17.

Well sure... but those are fantasy teams and debatable also. The best 17 players in the are never all uninjured.. never, not even close. Most internationals and origins are a mix between 1st,, 2nd and 3rd or even 4th best based on availability which is made even worse with off season surgeries.

And if the Kiwis became a force, do some of those pac islands players pull on the Kiwi jumper instead?
Of course the current eligibility makes that hard to accomplish...

There's another point here also, if we get another Kiwi team.. less kids leave NZ and therefore won't be eligible for Origin to begin with.

Here's what I think needs to happen:
Origin rules need to be relaxed to make tier 1 nations eligible, that will broaden the appeal of Origin to other nations( like NZ who already despite this follow and pick a side) have more talent available ( even if it is a small fraction) and a better spectacle as a result.
But more importantly, it will encourage those wanting to represent England like Radly or Ponga for NZ to do so, resulting in a better international competition and restoring representation of your nation as the pinnacle of the sport.
Currently we can watch Luia or Hass on the big stage in Origin and internationals. There's no reason not to do that across the board.

 

[Wb1234]

Origin is worth over 100 million pa to the nrl they aren’t going to dilute it

They’ve done lots for nz like increase funding to the nzrl and ensuring nz hosts 2 test matches a year they can monetise

A second nz nrl side is the best thing they can do to grow the game

Test match football needs a lot of work and the kiwi brand is way way behind the all blacks

If they don’t play the Samoa v Tonga game at Eden park its going to be a huge missed opportunity

 

[SirPies&Beers]

David Moffett: On calling out the Warriors for blocking NRL expansion bids

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Sports Fix: Thursday 20th February 2025

On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave and Jason Pine for Thursday 20 February 2025, South Island Kea CEO David Moffett talks about the One NZ Warriors attem

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Moffo saying Warriors should re-apply for the nrl license is some rubbish trolling. seems like even decades after his rubbish nrl leadership he is still hasnt shrugged off that bullcrap.

but hey if one man knows anything about killing clubs and licenses, its moffo

 

[Perth Red]

Origin players who would have been eligible for NZ from a couple of years ago

QUEENSLAND

• Fullback Kalyn Ponga | Born in WA, New Zealand parents, lived in Palmerston for five years, played for Māori All Stars 2019 and 2020.
• Centre Valentine Holmes | Born in Townsville. Father is New Zealand-born Māori, mother Cook Islander.
• Centre Dane Gagai | Born in Mackay, mother is New Zealand-born Māori, played for Māori All Stars 2019.
• Prop Josh Papalii | Born in Auckland
• Second rower Felise Kaufusi | Born in Auckland
• Interchange forward Jeremiah Nanai | Born in Auckland
• Murray Taulagi | Born in Auckland

NEW SOUTH WALES

• Five-eighth Jarome Luai | Born in Sydney, New Zealand-born parents (Samoan and Māori)
• Prop Junior Paulo | Born in Auckland
• Interchange back Stephen Crichton | Born in Apia, moved to New Zealand

Had to say he Kiwi team wouldnt have been stronger with those players in it.

 

[Wb1234]

“The NRL claims to have a cumulative match viewership over all competitions of 200.5 million in 2024 - comprising 186.8 million Australian viewers and 13.7 million from New Zealand - to post a total 8.6 per cent higher than the previous year.”

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

NZ should make their own SOO, North Island vs South Island, the same should be done in the SL. Build it and sell it and split the money however you want.

 

[Wb1234]

NZ should make their own SOO, North Island vs South Island, the same should be done in the SL. Build it and sell it and split the money however you want.

2nd nz side based on the South Island will do that

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

It's not the same, anyone can play for either kiwi club side when they get two. SOO, you represent an area.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Why would Kiwi govts be expected to cough up for a match in an Australian state competition?

The Kiwi Govt gives money to have events in their country that will attract international visitors