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Newcastle Knights Members Club board to ask Nathan Tinkler to walk away

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I think asking Tinkler to walk away is a very kneejerk proposal. In fact it will be a very bad one.My point about Richo is if the board lose their nerve and take the soft option of the bank guarantee we will need a proper CEO to get us anywhere near what Tinkler has brought. I don't care how broke Tinks is. I don't care for the media witchhunt either. He had been destroyed by the media. It is a disgrace. They treat him like Christopher Skase. Hardly a comparison.

If he ended up with enough to cover the cost shortfalls from running ops that us all we need for now. I cannot believe the way desperate people turn on a man who made us debt free.. He is hardly the only man who pays late bills at the deadline. There is no way this club will run profit without Tinkler. The ticket prices will skyrocket. Membership will fall. On and on it will go until we go back to amateur hour where Fa'alago would be out marquee signing.
 
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Spot On

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I totally agree with you Showstopper. However, the members naturally need some assurances to stick solid. The speculation over the Bank Guarantee is incredible. Reading the Tinkler tread in the NRL forum would have suggested 100 different explanations of what a BG is and how this particular one works. Tinkler himself needs to come out and speak.
 
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Absolutely Spot On. You are bang on. Especially regarding Tinkler speaking. If Bennett backs Tinkler, as he will, and the board go the other way it could get messy. Not saying Wayne would walk but he would see it as a step backwards. The very reason he came here was to make the struggle obsolete. Wayne wants Newcastle to set a benchmark like Brisbane and Melbourne do. I won't lie. If Tinkler is booted before things play out i will have less interest in the club's fortunes as a step backwards in progress just annoys and irritates me.

I love the red and blue but i know many fans just don't see past the working class roots of the club. I personally am over that condescending view of Newcastle. We need to get with the program. Newie as a whole has unlimited potential as a town. Knights are the regions billboard. A successful professional knights makes the region look and feel a new outlook is possible.
 

cram

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http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1189543/hsg-dont-always-do-as-they-say-tew/?cs=305

THE matters which have been reported in the press over the past seven days – indeed the previous six months – have caused concern to all of us who hold the Newcastle Knights dear to our hearts.

The Knights Members Club board is currently considering heading down a different path to that which was originally agreed and contracted with Hunter Sport Group (HSG) on behalf of the Newcastle Knights members, and I believe the current directors of the Knights Members board need to consider their decisions, and the consequential impacts of their actions, very carefully.

To assist members, and the broader community, to have a better understanding of the circumstances behind current events, I provide this summary of some of the background to the negotiated sale contract which was agreed and eventually signed off on behalf of the Newcastle Knights Members.

The sale contract between the Knights Members and HSG, which was entered into on August 5, 2011, comprised a number of agreements – some of which are quite complicated – all of which are interrelated and concurrent – totalling some 500 pages.

The sale contract includes a number of covenants which are required to be met by HSG, and which were painstakingly negotiated over a long period of time so as to ensure not only that the members had certain rights but so the members could have an expectation of authority to enforce those rights – if necessary.

To contemplate changes to one of the component agreements independently of other concurrent agreements comprised within the total sale contract is to invite a risk. Risk of watering down the members’ rights to appropriate reporting information; risk of watering down the members’ rights to an expectation of sufficient funding of their club; risk of failure to have a sufficient guarantee underpinning funding obligations; risk of an inability to confirm if all profits are being retained within the club entity; risk to the authority of members to enforce those rights upon HSG if necessary.

A number of covenants included in the sale contract were agreed and are applicable to the specific funding obligations and were negotiated with a number of objectives in mind including:
■ That the club would have adequate working capital;

■ That the club would have a coloured minimum of financial commitment to sponsorship and junior development;

■That the club would be economically viable and capitalised to a superior level to that which existed previously;

■That all revenues received – over and above operating expenses – would be retained within the Knights club entity;

■That the factual outcomes specific to that capitalisation would be independently audited and the results available to the members in an agreed timeframe;

■That the timing of those actions would allow a retrospective look across the year and be carried out at a time in the season which ensured that sponsorship and other major revenues were in place and that expenditure was known and committed; and

■ In the event that the final month (or 15 days) of the year (December) was an estimate – it was specifically agreed by both parties to include an ability to carry over any surplus funding (which may have been underestimated or not available) into the following year’s assessment. Therefore, there was no disadvantage to HSG in the event that they received additional (unforeseen) revenue in that period and the sum would be applied to the next year’s audit considerations;

■ That – where a deficiency was evident – the members would have authority to enforce the funding obligations and therefore ensure that funding obligations would be met in accordance with the covenants in the sale contract;

■ Underpinning the contract and the funding obligations is a bank guarantee. The bank guarantee can also serve as a tool for the members to use in the event the members seek to enforce their rights under the covenants of the contract.

The auditor has defined responsibilities as is set out in the sale contract.

The auditor is required to confirm the objectives of the funding obligations are being met. The auditors confirmation of those objectives cannot be conditional or fettered in any way. In the event funding obligations are not met then the members have authority to enforce them.
The members authority is genuine and can be applied in a number of circumstances including:

■ In the event of a breach of one or more of the covenants in the sale contract.

■ In an insolvency event.
I understand that HSG have not adhered to the timeframes, nor supplied information in an appropriate form – as is a condition of the sale contract – in spite of its knowledge of its responsibilities well in advance of its 15 December audit deadline.

It is my experience that HSG representatives do not always do as they say they will do. Nor does it always “spin” the truth. As in the case earlier this year when HSG representatives claimed publicly that HSG had no prior knowledge of tax liabilities. In fact, the tax liabilities information had been provided to the HSG CEO, Mr Troy Palmer, prior to HSG signing the sale contract in August 2011.


I am interested in the reasons for the Knights Members board agreeing to vary the contract covenants and also hearing from them an explanation as to how those proposed changes are in the best interests of members.
I trust chairman Nick Dan and his fellow directors will think carefully and objectively before agreeing to vary the contracted covenants – particularly in respect of protecting members’ rights – and ensuring members authority to enforce those rights is not watered down and is not placed at risk.
 

Burwood

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/...ler/story-e6frf3ou-1226538063588#.UM61oqXkHIY

Newcastle sporting legend Jack Newton has called on Knights fans to remember what life was like before Nathan Tinkler arrived to bail the club out of financial trouble.

With speculation the cashed-strapped mining magnate will be asked to part ways with his $20 million bank guarantee and allow the Knights Members Club board to take over the licence and the day-to-day running of the club, Newton said what should not be forgotten was the dire financial predicament that preceded Tinkler's takeover.


"Only the people on the inside knew how bad it was," Newton said.

"They had all sorts of debts ... they were insolvent, there is no doubt about it. And they had been right on the brink for many, many years quite frankly.

"My advice now would be just sit tight and let's see what happens.

"I just don't think they have given him a fair go. They were happy to cop his $20 million and the bloke is in a bit of strife now and they want to hang him."

The Australian Taxation Office last week moved to wind up the Tinkler-owned Knights and the Newcastle Jets, as well as parent company Hunter Sports Group, over unpaid debts of approximately $2.7 million.

A hearing has been set for February 20 but Hunter Sports Group has vowed to make the payment well ahead of that date.

Newton was one of the high-profile Newcastle personalities who publicly backed Tinkler's takeover in 2011 and, at the time, the club's number one supporter was highly critical of the former board and management.

Since Tinkler gained control, Newcastle's membership has skyrocketed from 4500 to 17,000 and, along with signing one of the NRL's best coaches, Wayne Bennett, the players now have a state-of-the-art training facility.


There is speculation former chief executive Steve Burraston and ex-chairman Rob Tew have been approached about making a return should Tinkler be forced out but Newton added: "All of them are putting their hand up saying they will get back in and fix it, well, I've got news for them. They didn't fix it before so they are not going to fix it this time.

"I personally think the media are after Nathan Tinkler. I mean, it never stops. I don't think he is broke at all. I think he is like a lot of rich blokes, he is cash poor.

"Look, as you know a lot of wealthy people and the big companies are slow paying their bills. I have only met Nathan a couple of times but I think his intentions here are honourable.

"The Newcastle fans are a passionate lot, there is no doubt about that. And they want answers. But look, I think in all fairness there is a bit of a witch hunt on for (Tinkler's) neck."


Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/...er/story-e6frf3ou-1226538063588#ixzz2FHqpL9vZ

Christ, I actually agree with every point that Newton has made. If Newcastle force Tinkler out of the club, and his finances get back on track, it will be a decision that the town will regret for the next 50 years.

Tough it out, see what happens to Tinkler and then take it from there. It is stupid jumping in too early based on what could happen.
 

perverse

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I agree with you, Burwood. Motives aside (and largely irrelevant), the man has done a shitload for our club. Wayne Bennett, Darius Boyd, Kade Snowden, no doubt over the future of our club... I think cutting and running on him at the first sign of trouble is totally gutless, and not what our club is, or should be about. I would even go as far to say as its flat out taking advantage of the bloke - while he's down no less.

To be honest I get a large sense that there are cogs moving behind the scenes to retake the club 'for the members', regardless of the actual members wishes. I know of a few ex-admins who used to operate in similar fashion, but that's pure speculation. Wouldn't shock me, though.
 
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Yosh

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Knee Jerk reaction isn't it? I'm in South Korea so it's kinda hard to know exactly what's going on, but, by the sounds of it, we're over reacting right? You can't suddenly lose a couple of billion dollars in a week...

Don't force the issue and regret the decision... We have time. Let the storm roll over first and then we can make a calculated decision.

I personally want Tinkler to stay on... I hope whatever happens, it works in the clubs favor...
 

cram

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The issue as I see it is we don't really know the state of play?

Of course the difference between the members collecting 20mil in comparison to 10mil later on may be impacting on decisions as well.

We need the truth and we need it soon, IMO HSG leadership in all if this has been missing.
 

Whats Doing

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Auditors Statement from Crosbie Warren Sinclair:

Our firm has been the Auditor for the Newcastle Knights for the past 13 years, with the last completed audit being for the year ended 31 December 2011. We were engagedby Hunter Valley Sports Group Pty Ltd and Newcastle Knights Pty Ltd to prepare a report of factual findings for the 2011 year in relation to the reporting obligations pertaining to sponsorship, the bank guarantee and junior rugby league expenditure, which was completed and presented to the Members earlier this year. I can confirm that Crosbie Warren Sinclair has been engaged in an audit capacity this year by Hunter Valley Sports Group Pty Ltd and Newcastle Knights Pty Ltd to undertake an audit of the obligations in relation to sponsorship, the bank guarantee and junior rugby league expenditure for the 2012 year. We have commenced our audit last week.

Under the original agreements the statement from the auditor in relation to the obligations above was required to be presented to the Members Club by 15 December each year, however as the financial reporting year is to 31 December, this obviously could not be completed and issued for the full year by that date. We understand that the recently proposed amendments will allow the audit to be completed and our report to be issued by 21 January each year."

Talk about amateur hour by Tew and his cohorts
 

Jobdog

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Tinkler remains in charge of Knights

By BRETT KEEBLE

NATHAN Tinkler remains in control of Newcastle’s NRL club after an air-clearing meeting between his Hunter Sports Group management and the Knights Members Club tonight.

HSG chief executive Troy Palmer and members club Nick Dan emerged from the 90-minute meeting in Newcastle and stood together to address the media, saying the status quo remained.

‘‘The meeting went really well, as expected,’’ Palmer said.

‘‘There was a number of questions that the members board wanted to ask, and I think we answered them as good as we could and to the satisfaction of the members board, and it’s business as usual.

‘‘I think we’re all on the same page and looking forward to the upcoming season.

‘‘I think everyone agrees what a great job Nathan and the team has done and where the club has gone in a short period of time, and the members club are more than happy with that after they asked their questions today.’’

Dan said members club directors were satisfied Tinkler and the HSG were in a position to meet all requirements of the privatisation agreement signed on August 5 last year.

‘‘Firstly, I’ll say that none of the members club [board] wanted to own a football team. That was certainly worked out very quickly,’’ Dan said.

Dan and the club’s legal counsel, Rob Faraday-Bensley, had arrived at the meeting about 5.45pm.

Palmer, Tinkler’s right-hand man, and Knights chief executive Matt Gidley arrived about 10 minutes later.

Palmer addressed members club directors to try to convince them that Tinkler was in better financial shape than has been reported, and that the besieged former billionaire had no intention of walking out on the Knights.

Speaking to the media on his way into the meeting, held in the offices of Bilbie Dan Solicitors off the Hunter St Mall, Palmer said Tinkler and the HSG remained committed to the Knights.

‘‘This is what it’s all about,’’ Palmer said.

‘‘That’s why we’re doing it, that’s why we worked so hard, that’s why Nathan has invested so much money, to give the community something to be proud of, and I think that’s what we’ve delivered, so business as usual.

‘‘I talk to Nathan all the time, and he’s as committed as ever before.’’

Knights coach Wayne Bennett arrived at 6.20pm to speak to directors in a show of support for Tinkler and the HSG.

The Australian Taxation Office filed documents in the Federal Court last Wednesday moving to liquidate eight companies linked to Tinkler, including the Knights, Jets and HSG, over $3.19 million in unpaid taxes.
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perverse

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You should post that in the thread in the NRL section, JD. I can't be arsed on my tablet. A great result for us.
 

Whats Doing

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Great news. Tinks has put a significant investment into building the right resources for the knights to become perennial top 8.

To have that hack Tew back in would have put the knights back 10 years.
 

kmav23

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He owes 700 million to a fund manager cant pay tradies small amounts...

in trouble with the ato... sellling all his assets at a massive loss...

no communication directly from him.....singapore escape.....

his assets being reposesed and his being sued

hmmmmmm something doesnt seem right

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Whats Doing

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He owes 700 million to a fund manager cant pay tradies small amounts...

in trouble with the ato... sellling all his assets at a massive loss...

no communication directly from him.....singapore escape.....

his assets being reposesed and his being sued

hmmmmmm something doesnt seem right

You trolling in the knights forum
 

Silent Knight

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He owes 700 million to a fund manager cant pay tradies small amounts...

in trouble with the ato... sellling all his assets at a massive loss...

no communication directly from him.....singapore escape.....

his assets being reposesed and his being sued

hmmmmmm something doesnt seem right

What the f*** would you know beyond what the garbage media tells you? Back to trolling Cronulla you go, you little parasite.
 

BKT

Juniors
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Knights will soldier on and continue to be the premier sporting team in the Hunter.

The merkin Knights haters from other clubs will continue to gibber on, whilst knowing stuff all, stick solid Knights supporters, all will be cool.
 

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