NEWSFLASH: Malcolm Statement

[jimmy_the_greek]

Hmmm, riot police eh??? Might discourage the wanker dogs fans

watch for bulldogs attendances to fall to 5000

as long as it keeps the trouble makers away im happy...

 

[Danish]

Read it properly, its said in the sense that its trying to be an excuse.

I think they meant it in a Pulp Fiction "Macelos through a man out the window for giving his wife a foot massage" kind of way.

You dont expect to be bashed when giving it to opposition fans, but you have to expect a reaction

Either way i'm happy the riot police are going to be there. The first game will probably end in quite a large fight outside........ but it will die down

 

[Quigs]

Mitsubishi Electric Bulldogs CEO Malcolm Noad

Crikey, give me strength, I thought you were talking about a side from the Kyoto First Division.

Its Canterbury.... Canterbury Bankstown Jimmy...

It is not the Mitsubishi Electric Bullet Train running from Kyoto to Hirofarkinshima past Mt Fuji Bulldogs - its Canterbury

I for one have had a gutfull of this crap....... Its Canterbury. its about Australian Rugby League not about the dollars of the shareholders....... it is about the supporters that follow Canterbury.

Right or wrong their behaviour is a problem, but ask any Canterbury supporter who they follow in the NRL and I can assure you you wont get the answer the Mitsubishi Electric Bullet Train running from Kyoto to Hirofarkinshima past Mt Fuji Bulldogs

Hope the Doggies can sort it out, thats all I can hope.... dont need it.

 

[bluenwhite]

maybe instead of badmouthing the bulldogs club and supporters when they are trying to do something to solve this issue, give a bit of support? i can see no more then two positive comments made by non-bulldogs supporters when the club is quite clearly doing everything they can to get rid of these bastards who ruin the game for the majority of the fans.

 

[jimmy_the_greek]

Crikey, give me strength, I thought you were talking about a side from the Kyoto First Division.

Its Canterbury.... Canterbury Bankstown Jimmy...

It is not the Mitsubishi Electric Bullet Train running from Kyoto to Hirofarkinshima past Mt Fuji Bulldogs - its Canterbury

I for one have had a gutfull of this crap....... Its Canterbury. its about Australian Rugby League not about the dollars of the shareholders....... it is about the supporters that follow Canterbury.

Right or wrong their behaviour is a problem, but ask any Canterbury supporter who they follow in the NRL and I can assure you you wont get the answer the Mitsubishi Electric Bullet Train running from Kyoto to Hirofarkinshima past Mt Fuji Bulldogs

Hope the Doggies can sort it out, thats all I can hope.... dont need it.

sorry mate, i copy pasted it from the kennel (bulldogs forum)
i hope the problems can be sorted out also...

 

[Quigs]

sorry mate, i copy pasted it from the kennel (bulldogs forum)
i hope the problems can be sorted out also...

No need to apol to me Jimmy,

I just hope everybody else starts to put "our" little feet down and tell the wonders that are stuffing our game that we follow Canterbury or the Sharks, or Canberra whatever, not some bloody brand of far can milk, or some bloody stereo system, we all follow our "district" clubs.

If they want to go poncing around spruiking crap thats fine, but it is getting near time when we all dont have to sell our souls to the corporate devils.

Tell them to all go and intercourse themselves in the Sansui General Electric lets have the General Motors Ford Grand final at 9pm on a Sunday ringhole.

Anyway have a great evening jimmy.....

 

[jimmy_the_greek]

Anyway have a great evening jimmy.....

you to,
i cant wait till this friday...i think its going to be a really tight match...

 

[Sea_Eagles_Rock]

Honestly, judging by the immature responses by bulldogs fans in this and various other threads, there really isn't likely to be a solution found to this. Of course when it all goes wrong again, you will blame the riot squad or telstra stadium or something else... And say again it's only a small minority group that don't even follow your club...

This problem really has no chance of going away. Buy RLW this week and have a read what happened to a Tigers fan travelling home last week on a train. Have read of what Matthew Johns witnessed. Have a think about the history and how long this problem has actually been going on... And maybe, just maybe you might actually wake up and think, this really is UN-AUSTRALIAN behaviour that needs to be stopped NOW. There is no joke in any of this. It's not a conspiracy against the club. It's a very large group of people who call your club their own.

What exactly has the Bulldogs announced in that Malcolm Noad update that they are actually doing? We all know the measures so far are not working, you expect the police or Testra to lift their game, What exactly are the Bulldogs doing about it that they were NOT doing before? Is it enough and is it going to work???

 

[Kurt Angle]

Have a think about the history and how long this problem has actually been going on... And maybe, just maybe you might actually wake up and think, this really is UN-AUSTRALIAN behaviour that needs to be stopped NOW. There is no joke in any of this. It's not a conspiracy against the club. It's a very large group of people who call your club their own.

Amen brother, spot on the money.

The problems which are occuring at Canterbury games, which have occured on trains, western suburbs shopping centres, cronulla beach, all over brighton-le-sands for well over a decade....

are all from the same cultural source.

The result has been the banning of ball games on Cronulla beach, water cannons being introduced to NSW, hundreds of thousands of cases of racially based abuse and assault and hundreds of cases of gang rape.

Sydney has irrevocably changed for the worse for the sake of appeasing a collective of people, most of whom identify themselves with a savage culture, even though circumstances meant they fled it.

What exactly has the Bulldogs announced in that Malcolm Noad update that they are actually doing? We all know the measures so far are not working, you expect the police or Testra to lift their game, What exactly are the Bulldogs doing about it that they were NOT doing before? Is it enough and is it going to work???

This won't work because they are trying to address a "Rugby League" problem, when it is a cultural problem.

A culture than at the drop of the hat will enact violence, and quite often racially based.

 

[ibeme]

What exactly has the Bulldogs announced in that Malcolm Noad update that they are actually doing? We all know the measures so far are not working, you expect the police or Testra to lift their game, What exactly are the Bulldogs doing about it that they were NOT doing before? Is it enough and is it going to work???

Well, they've managed to get the government to supply 150 extra police at games for starters, who unlike the club, can actually arrest the violent thugs. They've been calling for extra police for ages.

The only way to deal with criminals is to arrest them. At the moment that doesn't happen. Only 4 people have been arrested as a result of Friday night's violence, despite cct footage, Ch9 footage, security guards and witnesses. Matty Johns saw an attack outside the stadium. Has he gone to the police to report it? Did he take down number plates and descriptions? If these idiots think they can keep getting away with causing trouble, they will continue to do it. We see it everyday outside of football.

If, on the other hand, they know that they will get arrested for causing trouble, they won't do it. If they have something to fear, they won't come to games. Knowing that they will be arrested is the best deterrant.

You continue to expect a football club to fix society's law and order issues. You still think this is a football issue. It's much much larger than that. Just ask the people of Cronulla. It's a law enforcement issue.

Despite what you might think, the club has been working their arses off behind the scenes to deal with this mess. The measures they've put in place have been in consultation with the police, security experts, and UK sporting clubs who have experienced problems with violence.

The difference between the Bulldog issues and soccer hooliganism is that soccer hooliganism is a football problem. The Bulldogs issue is a society wide problem, and requires a society wide response.

 

[innsaneink]

The difference between the Bulldog issues and soccer hooliganism is that soccer hooliganism is a football problem. The Bulldogs issue is a society wide problem, and requires a society wide response.

Im genuinely interested to hear your thoughts on the differences you perceive with the two.

 

[ibeme]

Im genuinely interested to hear your thoughts on the differences you perceive with the two.

In soccer, the violence is between opposing soccer fans. The violence, as far as I understand, was motivated by soccer rivalries and soccer rivalries alone. Often, it went both ways.

Here, it's not isolated to rugby league fan rivalries. Their motivation is violence. I'd be very surprised if the idiots who cause trouble at Bulldogs games aren't the same idiots that cause trouble at Cronulla on the weekends, Brighton Le Sands on a Saturday night, Bondi etc. They'd also be the same criminal element who are involved in crime around punchbowl and lakemba.

The football is just another vehicle for them. It's another opportunity for them to cause trouble. It's another Cronulla. Another Brighton Le Sands. It's just a lot closer to home for them.

So what I'm saying is that, to clean up the troubles at Bulldogs games, we need a law and order approach. We need the police to investigate criminal activity, violent behaviour, and make arrests. If all of those responsible for the revenge attacks were arrested, we'd probably have half the same troublemakers up before the courts by now. That's why, rather than sitting back and asking why isn't our football club isn't solving this issue, me and others are asking why aren't the police solving this issue? They're the only ones who can solve it.

 

[Sea_Eagles_Rock]

See this is the pass the buck attitude that I was talking about. This is no different to the soccer riots except the problem is occurring only within 1 fan base.

You keep raising the Cronulla situation, but does the Cronulla Football club have a problem with violence at their games?

You say the club has been working it's butt off behind the scenes. How do you know? Are you Noad? Are you on the board? Why has their been no change in the behaviour? The security at the game is also a Bulldogs issue. It's not like the problem is only happening outside the venue. The conduct of your players over the years has been the worst in the league. Does your team set an appropriate image on the field? Do you assist the police and Ground security to catch the offenders? Have you had security available on behalf of the club at the clubs expense assisting the police to get to the trouble areas and make arrests?

The fact is if anybody could pin down these offenders, it would be BULLDOGS fans. If you all had came forward and dobbed in the problem people, you wouldn't have a problem now. The fact is you prefer to turn a blind eye and not get involved. But then you rather joke about setting off explosives in a crowd. Or blame the opposition fans for baiting your clubs fans. The list goes on and on about the excuses, but the solution is to take ownership of the problem and assist the police. You are part of a community, and it is the community that will need to change to fix the problem.

Why is it that car loads of Bulldogs fans can get out and kick the sh*t out of a bloke on the ground while nobody comes to help?

 

[ibeme]

See this is the pass the buck attitude that I was talking about. This is no different to the soccer riots except the problem is occurring only within 1 fan base.

You keep raising the Cronulla situation, but does the Cronulla Football club have a problem with violence at their games?

Way to miss the point. The problems at Cronulla have nothing to do with football or a football club. It has everything to do with the same idiots who cause trouble at Bulldogs games. These idiots cause trouble, and they don't have to be at the football to do it. It seems to be their goal in life to cause trouble whereever they go.

You say the club has been working it's butt off behind the scenes. How do you know? Are you Noad? Are you on the board? Why has their been no change in the behaviour?

I've attended a fan forum with Malcolm Noad where we discussed the crowd issues at length, and measures to take. It was at that forum that we were told of visits the UK to investigate measures that would work for us. I've also corresponded with him via email.

No longer are the trouble makers in the kennel area. That's one thing that's changed. It was thought that the troublemakers used the kennel area to blend in and hide, so the club took measures to take their cover away. The result was, the troublemakers moved the the area behind the goal posts. The trouble makers had nowhere to blend, and their actions were captured for all to see. Four of them are now up on criminal charges. The idiots are the only ones who can explain to you why they haven't changed their behaviour, but my guess is it's because they're violent thugs by nature.

The security at the game is also a Bulldogs issue. It's not like the problem is only happening outside the venue.

Security at the the game is a Bulldogs issue, and a stadium issue. That's why they hire security guards. That's why they introduce a whole new set of security measures. It's then up to the security company to carry out those measures. Failure to do that results in what we saw on Friday night. Now the club has to demand that security do what they're paid to do.

The conduct of your players over the years has been the worst in the league. Does your team set an appropriate image on the field?

On the field? We have very few suspensions actually. Probably less than a lot of other teams. We have players like Corey Hughes who even Bulldogs supporters are critical of. We certainly don't have any John Hopoates though.

Do you assist the police and Ground security to catch the offenders?

Most offenders that are caught are a result of information from fans. I've passed on names of suspected troublemakers to the club myself. Fans are encouraged to alert security when they see something, and often they do it. Obviously though, you don't notice that there's a problem until it's already started.

Have you had security available on behalf of the club at the clubs expense assisting the police to get to the trouble areas and make arrests?

From what I understand the club has it's own security team who liase with fans at the games to build a rapore and familiarise themselves and encourage fans to approach them when there's an issue. It was security who dragged the troublemakers out on Friday night. The police made one arrest on the night, and security provided security footage to police to try to identify more troublemakers. Police have since made three more arrests.

The fact is if anybody could pin down these offenders, it would be BULLDOGS fans.

It would be criminals who also happen to go to Bulldogs games. Police are supposed to arrest criminals. Football clubs can't. That's not buck passing. It's fact. The bulldogs didn't choose them, they chose the Bulldogs.

If you all had came forward and dobbed in the problem people, you wouldn't have a problem now. The fact is you prefer to turn a blind eye and not get involved.

You seem to think that we all know each other. I wouldn't have a clue who they are. I see what you see on TV, and at the ground. I see people that I've never seen before getting dragged off by security after trouble has happened. I wouldn't have the faintest clue who they are, and about 32000 other people at the stadium that night wouldn't either. If I find out names, I let the club know. Dodge has sent his photos to the club in the hope that that will help identify some of them. Other than that, we have no idea who they are. The same as Matty Johns wouldn't have a clue who he saw bashing people outside the stadium. All we can do is report things when we see them, and that's what we do.

But then you rather joke about setting off explosives in a crowd.

You obviously failed to get the point with this either. I explained it, but I can't help if you're unable to understand it. I wasn't making light of the situation. I was questioning the decision of the parent to keep her kid away from rugby league because of that single incident.

Or blame the opposition fans for baiting your clubs fans.

Where have I done this. I've blamed nobody but those involved in causing the violence.

The list goes on and on about the excuses, but the solution is to take ownership of the problem and assist the police.

We do where we can. We don't know everything and everyone. We do what we can. The club is regularly contacting police whenever they have information.

You are part of a community, and it is the community that will need to change to fix the problem.

And the way to fix the problem is for police to arrest criminals. That's what I'm calling for. That's what police are supposed to do. I'm not the police. I can't conduct investigations. I can't arrest people. All I can do is pass on information. The police have to act on it.

Why is it that car loads of Bulldogs fans can get out and kick the sh*t out of a bloke on the ground while nobody comes to help?

For the same reason the idiots do it at Cronulla and anywhere else. Because they're criminals. They're thugs. Not because they're bulldogs fans.

 

[JK]

Hmmm, riot police eh??? Might discourage the wanker dogs fans

watch for bulldogs attendances to fall to 5000

How's the Bears going?

 

[Sea_Eagles_Rock]

Way to miss the point. The problems at Cronulla have nothing to do with football or a football club. It has everything to do with the same idiots who cause trouble at Bulldogs games. These idiots cause trouble, and they don't have to be at the football to do it. It seems to be their goal in life to cause trouble whereever they go.

No, I just don't see how you can make that statement. Have any of the people been arrested at both locations? If it is not football related, why is it that they are only attacking opposition teams supporters?

I've attended a fan forum with Malcolm Noad where we discussed the crowd issues at length, and measures to take. It was at that forum that we were told of visits the UK to investigate measures that would work for us. I've also corresponded with him via email.

No longer are the trouble makers in the kennel area. That's one thing that's changed. It was thought that the troublemakers used the kennel area to blend in and hide, so the club took measures to take their cover away. The result was, the troublemakers moved the the area behind the goal posts. The trouble makers had nowhere to blend, and their actions were captured for all to see. Four of them are now up on criminal charges. The idiots are the only ones who can explain to you why they haven't changed their behaviour, but my guess is it's because they're violent thugs by nature.

Would work? Well as far as I see it the problem is still there. When was this forum? Last year? Has the club followed up on it further? It's moved the problem so far. Do you know for sure the problems won't occur in the Kennel area again? Do you think maybe if the Kennel had taken ownership for this problem and identified these people it would be easier and quicker to get them out. The fact is you didn't wanted to be associated with the problem (understandable) but really this section didn't want to be responsible for helping solve the problem.

Security at the the game is a Bulldogs issue, and a stadium issue. That's why they hire security guards. That's why they introduce a whole new set of security measures. It's then up to the security company to carry out those measures. Failure to do that results in what we saw on Friday night. Now the club has to demand that security do what they're paid to do.

So are you telling me you hand the problem to the security firm and then wipe your hands of the problem? Now is that the best approach to the situation? Are you sure the club has actually done this?

On the field? We have very few suspensions actually. Probably less than a lot of other teams. We have players like Corey Hughes who even Bulldogs supporters are critical of. We certainly don't have any John Hopoates though.

Nice picture of O'Meley punching Gibbs while he is held by another player don't you think... There has been issues with the conduct of your team and you know it. I'm not talking high shots and I'm not only talking about on the field.

Most offenders that are caught are a result of information from fans. I've passed on names of suspected troublemakers to the club myself. Fans are encouraged to alert security when they see something, and often they do it. Obviously though, you don't notice that there's a problem until it's already started.

You can actually demonstrate this to be the case? From what you have said the security help identify the 4 people arrested this time. When an explosive goes off in a grandstand, how can the identity of the person not be established quickly? A fight is on... How easy is it to identify the people involved when security/police arrive? It's not just names they need. but it's a start. It's not just you who has to do it. If everybody does it the problem will be eliminated far quicker.

From what I understand the club has it's own security team who liase with fans at the games to build a rapore and familiarise themselves and encourage fans to approach them when there's an issue. It was security who dragged the troublemakers out on Friday night. The police made one arrest on the night, and security provided security footage to police to try to identify more troublemakers. Police have since made three more arrests.

So is this actually fact or is it an opinion. From what I have heard it's the venues security you have been expecting to do the job. At least that's what you have said in other threads.

It would be criminals who also happen to go to Bulldogs games. Police are supposed to arrest criminals. Football clubs can't. That's not buck passing. It's fact. The bulldogs didn't choose them, they chose the Bulldogs.



You seem to think that we all know each other. I wouldn't have a clue who they are. I see what you see on TV, and at the ground. I see people that I've never seen before getting dragged off by security after trouble has happened. I wouldn't have the faintest clue who they are, and about 32000 other people at the stadium that night wouldn't either. If I find out names, I let the club know. Dodge has sent his photos to the club in the hope that that will help identify some of them. Other than that, we have no idea who they are. The same as Matty Johns wouldn't have a clue who he saw bashing people outside the stadium. All we can do is report things when we see them, and that's what we do.

See that is good. But you seem to think I hold you personally responsible for everything that is going wrong. What I am trying to say is that EVERY person at a game needs to assist in removing these fools from the game. EVERY person needs to help police/security outside the venue identify these people. I can't tell you what Matt Johns did, but by the sound of his article he was a long way back from the what he saw. And frankly, being who he is, I seriously wouldn't recommend him getting out of his car in that situation on his own. But a group of people can stop these thugs from causing any further injury. And they can also help assist in getting police to the scene quickly.

You obviously failed to get the point with this either. I explained it, but I can't help if you're unable to understand it. I wasn't making light of the situation. I was questioning the decision of the parent to keep her kid away from rugby league because of that single incident.

I'm a parent and frankly I can.

Where have I done this. I've blamed nobody but those involved in causing the violence.



We do where we can. We don't know everything and everyone. We do what we can. The club is regularly contacting police whenever they have information.



And the way to fix the problem is for police to arrest criminals. That's what I'm calling for. That's what police are supposed to do. I'm not the police. I can't conduct investigations. I can't arrest people. All I can do is pass on information. The police have to act on it.



For the same reason the idiots do it at Cronulla and anywhere else. Because they're criminals. They're thugs. Not because they're bulldogs fans.

See that's the thing. If everybody did it, you wouldn't have a problem. You need to encourage anybody telling a story about something bad happening at a game "did you tell security?" And if security do not handle the situation appropriately you need to feed that information back to the club. If you fight inside the venue, you should be removed.

The Police have always said they are reliant on the community to provide them with information. They can't be everywhere. They don't have an unlimited budget or unlimited resources.

Once again you link these people to Cronulla. But I have no evidence that they are the exact same people involved there. The one thing that so far has been shown time and time again from all reports involving these problems at games, is that they are Bulldogs fans.

 

[ibeme]

No, I just don't see how you can make that statement. Have any of the people been arrested at both locations? If it is not football related, why is it that they are only attacking opposition teams supporters?

Oh man. You seem to think that the Bulldogs club produce these thugs. They are thugs that live in the Bulldogs territory. With or without the Bulldogs, they are still thugs and criminals that bash people. The Bulldogs are merely another vehicle for them to create havoc, and the Bulldogs club and decent supporters do not want them there.

Would work? Well as far as I see it the problem is still there.

Would help. Don't make this an argument on semantics. They went to get ideas that they could use here.

When was this forum? Last year? Has the club followed up on it further?

That was two years ago I think. That's where a number of initiatives were discussed and implemented. There have been a few more since then that others have attended from which more initiatives have risen.

It's moved the problem so far. Do you know for sure the problems won't occur in the Kennel area again?

I'm not nostradamus. The measures are designed to prevent it from happening again, and if security continue to follow them properly, then it shouldn't happen again. But if these things were completely failsafe, then we'd never have crime in society. People aren't always predictable.

Do you think maybe if the Kennel had taken ownership for this problem and identified these people it would be easier and quicker to get them out.

The kennel had representative at the fan forums. They took initiatives, and were partly responsible for changing the name from the Bulldogs army and making it a season ticket holders only area. There were members of the army who took it upon themselves to keep an eye out for trouble and report it. They're responsible for getting a large number of people ejected, and that's often where the information comes from in identifying people. But again, this is never going to be a failsafe option, because troublemakers make it one of their goals to not be caught or identified. A lot of the troublemakers weren't part of the army, or known to them, but placed themselves among them. That's why it's now a season ticket only section.

The fact is you didn't wanted to be associated with the problem (understandable) but really this section didn't want to be responsible for helping solve the problem.

That's where you're wrong. They did. The measures that they've now taken show that. They dobbed in where they could.

So are you telling me you hand the problem to the security firm and then wipe your hands of the problem? Now is that the best approach to the situation? Are you sure the club has actually done this?

What the hell do you want people to do? Hand them over and they lay a few punches in while security hold them? It's like dobbing someone into police. You pass on everything you know, and the police arrest them. If they need anything else, they'll ask. What else do you suggest people do?

Of course they'll discuss the issues with security. Telstra stadium management was at the meeting yesterday.

Nice picture of O'Meley punching Gibbs while he is held by another player don't you think... There has been issues with the conduct of your team and you know it. I'm not talking high shots and I'm not only talking about on the field.

The why did you say this?

The conduct of your players over the years has been the worst in the league. Does your team set an appropriate image on the field?

And no, our players haven't always set a good image for league. I can admit that. Can you admit that about yours?

You can actually demonstrate this to be the case?

No it's based on observation and my knowledge of the club. Do you think you know more than I do about this?

From what you have said the security help identify the 4 people arrested this time. When an explosive goes off in a grandstand, how can the identity of the person not be established quickly?

Security footage was used to identify the thugs, along with Ch9 footage. Police had suspects for the firecracker, thanks to information passed on by fans, and from security footage, but were unable to lay any charges for reasons unknown to me. They did however arrest the source of the firecracker at flemington markets.

A fight is on... How easy is it to identify the people involved when security/police arrive? It's not just names they need. but it's a start. It's not just you who has to do it. If everybody does it the problem will be eliminated far quicker.

Sometimes all we can offer is a description, because the idiots bolt when police and security arrive. That's the nature of crime. Criminals try to avoid being caught. That's why there are still a bunch of idiots to be arrested from the Cronulla violence on both sides of the fence despite sh*tloads of people being there.

So is this actually fact or is it an opinion. From what I have heard it's the venues security you have been expecting to do the job. At least that's what you have said in other threads.

He says the Bulldogs will also have their own security presence at EnergyAustralia Stadium, personnel who attend every match and are familiar with the club's supporters.
And he says the measures being taken are designed to ensure people's safety, not scare them away.
"Bulldogs security will be working with police and our own ground staff to assist in identifying any potential offenders," Conway said.

http://smh.com.au/news/league/knigh...r-bulldogs-game/2006/03/21/1142703336460.html

See that is good. But you seem to think I hold you personally responsible for everything that is going wrong. What I am trying to say is that EVERY person at a game needs to assist in removing these fools from the game. EVERY person needs to help police/security outside the venue identify these people.

Everyone who sees it, yes.

I can't tell you what Matt Johns did, but by the sound of his article he was a long way back from the what he saw. And frankly, being who he is, I seriously wouldn't recommend him getting out of his car in that situation on his own. But a group of people can stop these thugs from causing any further injury. And they can also help assist in getting police to the scene quickly.

If there happens to be a group of people around to do that.

See that's the thing. If everybody did it, you wouldn't have a problem. You need to encourage anybody telling a story about something bad happening at a game "did you tell security?" And if security do not handle the situation appropriately you need to feed that information back to the club. If you fight inside the venue, you should be removed.

The Police have always said they are reliant on the community to provide them with information. They can't be everywhere. They don't have an unlimited budget or unlimited resources.

Sounds great.

Once again you link these people to Cronulla. But I have no evidence that they are the exact same people involved there.

Again, it's an observation. I'd bet my house that those involved in the revenge riots, and problems leading up to the Cronulla riots include people that have caused troubles at Bulldogs games in the past.

The one thing that so far has been shown time and time again from all reports involving these problems at games, is that they are Bulldogs fans.

They're also criminals. With or without the Bulldogs, they're criminals.

 

[TUFF TITAN]

:roll: To me it's all to little to late , those homo home boys will not be back for a long time
the authorities have missed the boat on this one ;()

 

[Soi_Cowboy]

This is the systems chance to kurb this moronic behave. Slap a hefty penalty on those 4 that have been charged (jail and/or $$$$) and make a fine example of what can and will happen to the next lout who is caught behaving like this. DO NOT let them off lightly, otherwise we are back to square one.

 

[851]

The league only has to threaten clubs with expulsion,things will soon happen I am sure of that.