Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Wb1234]

It is worth something, it pays for advertising that the sport would otherwise have to buy. If it’s a genuine reflective value is debatable.
re afl they have announced the deal is worth $570mill cash avg A year. No need to worry about in kind or contra, we know the cash amount they are getting.
We dont know what the telstra deal is and what services they are offering to afl in the deal. Until we do it’s hard to say what value it has.

It’s bs

It’s like when the aru are saying they have made 20 million in free advertising from signing suaali lol

And what’s it really worth ? Both sides have an incentive to make the figure higher

 

[The_Wookie]

That’s how your afl should account for it cause it’s worth nothing

Take out all that Telstra contra from the tv deal lol

thats how the official AFL account WILL report it.

 

[Wb1234]

Revenue 650 million
Minus contra 130 million
Cash 520 million

 

[Perth Red]

It’s bs

It’s like when the aru are saying they have made 20 million in free advertising from signing suaali lol

And what’s it really worth ? Both sides have an incentive to make the figure higher

Are you saying nrl getting ads for origin, internationals, magic weekend, all stars, memberships, playing the game etc etc isnt of any value to the nrl?

 

[Perth Red]

Revenue 650 million
Minus contra 130 million
Cash 520 million

They’ve announced it at $570mill cash avg ayear. $4bill cash.
Sure they might be lying, but are they? Really?

where have you got those figures from?

 

[Wb1234]

Are you saying nrl getting ads for origin, internationals, magic weekend, all stars, memberships, playing the game etc etc isnt of any value to the nrl?

Contra value is bs

It’s not worth the paper it’s written on

It’s used so sports can brag about large tv deals

Only figure that matters is cash paid

 

[Perth Red]

Contra value is bs

It’s not worth the paper it’s written on

It’s used so sports can brag about large tv deals

Only figure that matters is cash paid

So free advertising is worth nothing? Sure thing bob.

 

[Wb1234]

So free advertising is worth nothing? Sure thing bob.

Throw in those wifi updates at marvel if it makes you feel better

 

[The_Wookie]

Throw in those wifi updates at marvel if it makes you feel better

leaving them out certainly seems to make you feel better

 

[Wb1234]

leaving them out certainly seems to make you feel better

If they repaint the seats does that get included in the “tv deal” too

 

[Canard]

Be interesting how Aussie Rules fans react to not having a FTA Saturday night game next season.

 

[taste2taste]

Be interesting how Aussie Rules fans react to not having a FTA Saturday night game next season.

Should lead to a big uptake to kayo/fox subs.

At least that's what they'll be hoping considering the large outlay they spent on the rights.

 

[Iamback]

Contra sits as a revenue and an expense to give it a net zero at the bottom line. It’s a weird weird way of accounting for it But as it is in fact an in kind not a cash value that’s how they deal with it.

as for the missing $50mill. How do you explain the gap between the announced deal and the actual reported revenue?

The betting TV and so on section last report had $490m

last I checked that was more than $400m as reported.

That also is in year 1 of the TV deal and jumped up $80m from the year before.

Which you would expect from a new TV taking over.

So the figures show it can be possible for that figure to be as the NRL said.

The players share was based on the projected revenue. If the NRL said the same thing at over $400m a year for 5 years and that was an average then that would make year 1 just over $350m.

On $600m revenue projected that is 8% missing. IF that was the case you can bet Clint Newton would be telling everyone about it.

As would Blake Solly and some of the other outspoken clubs.

So why the NRL can keep things quiet internally their books go to the stake holders and they haven't been afraid in the past to speak up. I can't see them doing it in this case either

 

[Iamback]

Over the past five years not even that

Their deal has fallen in real terms

Edit nah your right inflation went up around 14 percent of the same period

There are a few outliers. NFL and NBA being the big ones to buck the trend but even they are adding value to their deals to justify raises

Most sports aren't really getting huge increases

 

[Wb1234]

There are a few outliers. NFL and NBA being the big ones to buck the trend but even they are adding value to their deals to justify raises

Most sports aren't really getting huge increases

Wonder how much inflation only increases from 2021 to 2027 would yield for the nrl ?

Got to be over 15 to 20 percent

 

[Iamback]

Wonder how much inflation only increases from 2021 to 2027 would yield for the nrl ?

Got to be over 15 to 20 percent

$1.8m to $2m is a $40m a year jump.

The financials show that section including betting and merchandise jumped from $409m to $496m or so.

So that increase seems likely and is about 10%

 

[Wb1234]

“They desperately need an uplift on the $30 million they currently receive from Nine and Stan Sport, but negotiations between the two parties are slow-moving at best.

They have an exclusive negotiation period until December 31, after which RA can go the open market. But the fear is if they can’t get a deal locked away with Nine by the end of he year and look elsewhere, offers may be slim at best.

And a major reason for this is that broadcasters are crunching numbers to make a major play for the NRL rights, which expire at the end of 2027 and is already worth $1.7 billion.

Nine owns the free television rights while Foxtel – owned by News Corp, publisher of this masthead – owns the pay television element shown on Fox Sports and Kayo Sport.
The next NRL deal is expected to fetch more than its current value given the competition is adding more teams, coupled with growing popularity, which means Foxtel, Nine, other free-to-air networks and streaming services will need to dig deep into their pockets, leaving little money for rugby.

Nine and Stan have already secured rights to the 2027 Rugby World Cup, so have less incentive to pay millions more.“

Stan/9 are delaying the union deal to ensure they have money to bid for the nrl

Wonder if they drop the union all together for a blockbuster nrl bid

 

[Perth Red]

The betting TV and so on section last report had $490m

last I checked that was more than $400m as reported.

That also is in year 1 of the TV deal and jumped up $80m from the year before.

Which you would expect from a new TV taking over.

So the figures show it can be possible for that figure to be as the NRL said.

The players share was based on the projected revenue. If the NRL said the same thing at over $400m a year for 5 years and that was an average then that would make year 1 just over $350m.

On $600m revenue projected that is 8% missing. IF that was the case you can bet Clint Newton would be telling everyone about it.

As would Blake Solly and some of the other outspoken clubs.

So why the NRL can keep things quiet internally their books go to the stake holders and they haven't been afraid in the past to speak up. I can't see them doing it in this case either

Problem is we have no idea what the other areas of licensing are doing (Gambling revenue merchandise, digital) So how much of the $480mill is TV? we dont know. How much of the $80mill increase is from TV? We don't know.

The last year before it all got hidden away (2019) the digital was $24mill, Merch was $12mill. news reports had NRL gambling revenue at $50mill in 2022. It'd be a fair expectation that all those areas have increased in the ensuing time.

We know there was $12mill uplift (cash amount not known) from Sky NZ. We know Ch9 remained the same cash with a $5mill uplift in contra and Fox we think there was a $20mill uplift (cash or cash and contra unknown) in 2023 accounts.

We know contra went up $10mill, and $5mill of that was Ch9, so $5mill contra was in the SkyNZ/Fox increases.

So in effect of the $32mill a year increase in tv rights known $27mill was cash by the looks of it.

Radio is approx $10mill of the 'media' component of licensing.

It wouldn't, it would make year 1 around $384mill on a $400mil a year avg over the life the 5 years.

Like I said the last tv deal was announced at $380mill year a year, yr 1 and 2 the cash amount was well below that. How do you explain that?

 

[Perth Red]

“They desperately need an uplift on the $30 million they currently receive from Nine and Stan Sport, but negotiations between the two parties are slow-moving at best.

They have an exclusive negotiation period until December 31, after which RA can go the open market. But the fear is if they can’t get a deal locked away with Nine by the end of he year and look elsewhere, offers may be slim at best.

And a major reason for this is that broadcasters are crunching numbers to make a major play for the NRL rights, which expire at the end of 2027 and is already worth $1.7 billion.

Nine owns the free television rights while Foxtel – owned by News Corp, publisher of this masthead – owns the pay television element shown on Fox Sports and Kayo Sport.
The next NRL deal is expected to fetch more than its current value given the competition is adding more teams, coupled with growing popularity, which means Foxtel, Nine, other free-to-air networks and streaming services will need to dig deep into their pockets, leaving little money for rugby.

Nine and Stan have already secured rights to the 2027 Rugby World Cup, so have less incentive to pay millions more.“

Stan/9 are delaying the union deal to ensure they have money to bid for the nrl

Wonder if they drop the union all together for a blockbuster nrl bid

It would make sense for them to do so. Though $30mill isnt going to make much difference to the overall size of the bid you'd think they need to make to prise the game away from News ltd. (probably 5-6% difference).

Can you imagine how much News ltd would sht on the game and pump up AFL's tyres if they lost the rights??

 

[Wb1234]

Problem is we have no idea what the other areas of licensing are doing (Gambling revenue merchandise, digital) So how much of the $480mill is TV? we dont know. How much of the $80mill increase is from TV? We don't know.

The last year before it all got hidden away (2019) the digital was $24mill, Merch was $12mill. news reports had NRL gambling revenue at $50mill in 2022. It'd be a fair expectation that all those areas have increased in the ensuing time.

We know there was $12mill uplift (cash amount not known) from Sky NZ. We know Ch9 remained the same cash with a $5mill uplift in contra and Fox we think there was a $20mill uplift (cash or cash and contra unknown) in 2023 accounts.

We know contra went up $10mill, and $5mill of that was Ch9, so $5mill contra was in the SkyNZ/Fox increases.

So in effect of the $32mill a year increase in tv rights known $27mill was cash by the looks of it.

Radio is approx $10mill of the 'media' component of licensing.

It wouldn't, it would make year 1 around $384mill on a $400mil a year avg over the life the 5 years.

Like I said the last tv deal was announced at $380mill year a year, yr 1 and 2 the cash amount was well below that. How do you explain that?

24 million digital huh

We need to include that now in the tv figure since the fumblers are doing the same thing