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[Desert Qlder]

NRL 2023: Channel 7 launch secret $150m bid to steal State of Origin series from 9 | Video​

Channel 9 could lose the State of Origin rights, after a rival network launched an audacious $150m bid to pinch rugby league’s showpiece series.


Channel 7 has launched a long-range $150 million attempt to pinch rugby league’s showpiece State of Origin series from Channel 9.

The network’s chief executive James Warburton met with the NRL’s independent commission chairman Peter V’landys and CEO Andrew Abdo over lunch last week in an audacious bid to buy the highest rating sporting event in the country alongside the AFL and NRL grand finals.

More than eight million viewers watched this year’s series.

Seven wants to launch a joint bid with pay TV giants Foxtel to simulcast the three games on Seven, Fox League, Kayo and 7plus streaming service to potentially deliver a series audience of more than 10 million.

Nine’s audience has slumped from 11.9 million to 8.8 million since 2013, hence the interest from the NRL to explore all options to recapture three million lost viewers.


Channel 7 already works alongside Fox Sports in joint agreements with the AFL and Cricket Australia.

Their offer will include the men’s, women’s and Under 19’s interstate fixtures with a pledge to heavily promote each game not just in the NSW and Queensland markets but nationally in AFL markets.

It would be in the vicinity of $30 million a year ($10 million per game) over five seasons.

Channel 7 is also expected to pitch to broadcast a Sunday afternoon NRL game when the NRL opens its next TV rights negotiations, most likely in 2025.

Nine’s current deal expires in 2027.

Warburton declined to comment because of commercial sensitivity around his long-term sports strategy.

Seven’s national head of sport Lewis Martin was also at the lunch with the league bosses.

He and Warburton had earlier met V’landys at his Racing NSW offices in regards to Seven’s coverage of horse racing including The Everest and other major meetings.

V’landys also chose not to comment on the rugby league rights.

It is no secret that the relationship between the NRL and Channel 9 is now heavily strained on a number of fronts including the network’s attempt to buy the AFL broadcast rights last year while they already had rugby league.

Both Abdo and V’landys have more recently complained to Nine boss Mike Sneesby about promoting AFL on the Today Show more than rugby league.
The NRL even formed a committee that includes Rabbitohs chairman Nick Pappas, real estate guru John McGrath, V’landys and Abdo to meet with the Nine CEO and other network executives to try to improve their coverage of the game.

Warburton is also aware their arch rivals have already committed at least $400 million to the Olympics over the next decades.

Recouping that money from advertising is proving difficult in a tough advertising market.

​

At the same time Channel 7 saved $300 million from dropping their Olympic coverage.

In the current TV broadcast deal Channel 9 pays $110 million a year for premiership games, State of Origin and the finals series.

According to a letter former Nine boss Hugh Mark wrote to former NRL boss Todd Greenberg in 2021, the network generates 35 per cent of its rugby league revenue from Origin and the finals.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2023-channel-7-launch-secret-150m-bid-to-steal-state-of-origin-series-from-9-video/news-story/20a84060bf14b11cad2c28ff9c066a6a

 

[Pneuma]

NRL 2023: Channel 7 launch secret $150m bid to steal State of Origin series from 9 | Video​

Channel 9 could lose the State of Origin rights, after a rival network launched an audacious $150m bid to pinch rugby league’s showpiece series.


Channel 7 has launched a long-range $150 million attempt to pinch rugby league’s showpiece State of Origin series from Channel 9.

The network’s chief executive James Warburton met with the NRL’s independent commission chairman Peter V’landys and CEO Andrew Abdo over lunch last week in an audacious bid to buy the highest rating sporting event in the country alongside the AFL and NRL grand finals.

More than eight million viewers watched this year’s series.

Seven wants to launch a joint bid with pay TV giants Foxtel to simulcast the three games on Seven, Fox League, Kayo and 7plus streaming service to potentially deliver a series audience of more than 10 million.

Nine’s audience has slumped from 11.9 million to 8.8 million since 2013, hence the interest from the NRL to explore all options to recapture three million lost viewers.


Channel 7 already works alongside Fox Sports in joint agreements with the AFL and Cricket Australia.

Their offer will include the men’s, women’s and Under 19’s interstate fixtures with a pledge to heavily promote each game not just in the NSW and Queensland markets but nationally in AFL markets.

It would be in the vicinity of $30 million a year ($10 million per game) over five seasons.

Channel 7 is also expected to pitch to broadcast a Sunday afternoon NRL game when the NRL opens its next TV rights negotiations, most likely in 2025.

Nine’s current deal expires in 2027.

Warburton declined to comment because of commercial sensitivity around his long-term sports strategy.

Seven’s national head of sport Lewis Martin was also at the lunch with the league bosses.

He and Warburton had earlier met V’landys at his Racing NSW offices in regards to Seven’s coverage of horse racing including The Everest and other major meetings.

V’landys also chose not to comment on the rugby league rights.

It is no secret that the relationship between the NRL and Channel 9 is now heavily strained on a number of fronts including the network’s attempt to buy the AFL broadcast rights last year while they already had rugby league.

Both Abdo and V’landys have more recently complained to Nine boss Mike Sneesby about promoting AFL on the Today Show more than rugby league.
The NRL even formed a committee that includes Rabbitohs chairman Nick Pappas, real estate guru John McGrath, V’landys and Abdo to meet with the Nine CEO and other network executives to try to improve their coverage of the game.

Warburton is also aware their arch rivals have already committed at least $400 million to the Olympics over the next decades.

Recouping that money from advertising is proving difficult in a tough advertising market.

​

At the same time Channel 7 saved $300 million from dropping their Olympic coverage.

In the current TV broadcast deal Channel 9 pays $110 million a year for premiership games, State of Origin and the finals series.

According to a letter former Nine boss Hugh Mark wrote to former NRL boss Todd Greenberg in 2021, the network generates 35 per cent of its rugby league revenue from Origin and the finals.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2023-channel-7-launch-secret-150m-bid-to-steal-state-of-origin-series-from-9-video/news-story/20a84060bf14b11cad2c28ff9c066a6a

Wow. Go 7! Please

 

[Wb1234]

30 million pa isn’t enough it’s worth between 50 million plus pa

Simulcast with fox means fox will pay a chunk of that

seven getting origin would be excellent for freshening up the coverage

arlc should ask fox how much they will pay for origin then find a fta partner themselves

 

[Vibing]

Ch 7 made noises last set of rights about wanting Origin , but simulcasting with foxtel is new
anyway , splitting origin away from the NRL should increase the overall value of the rights significantly

Ch9 moaned it would de-value them but of course they would say that wouldn't they

But if channel 9 don't want the club games & origin split between FTA & STV , then pay what they're both worth together
180 mill pa ,
otherwise eff off ...

2028-2032

NRL ( 9 games )/NRLW .. finals .. internationals ... origin
FTA only 180 mill

Origin alone , has to be on FTA but can simulcast on STV
50 mill

NRL ( 9 games ) /NRLW finals internationals
FTA 130 mill ... current 3 games a week
STV 420 mill ... 6 games exclusive to drive subscriptions for who ever gets them

NZ 50 mill

650 mill PA

 

[Wb1234]

Ch 7 made noises last set of rights about wanting Origin , but simulcasting with foxtel is new
anyway , splitting origin away from the NRL should increase the overall value of the rights significantly

Ch9 moaned it would de-value them but of course they would say that wouldn't they

But if channel 9 don't want the club games & origin split between FTA & STV , then pay what they're both worth together
180 mill pa ,
otherwise eff off ...

2027-2031

NRL ( 9 games )/NRLW .. finals .. internationals ... origin
FTA only 180 mill

Origin alone , has to be on FTA but can simulcast on STV
50 mill

NRL ( 9 games ) /NRLW finals internationals
FTA 130 mill ... current 3 games a week
STV 420 mill ... 6 games exclusive to drive subscriptions for who ever gets them

NZ 50 mill

650 mill PA

Yep that’s what they should get

Stan bidding against foxtel
Seven bidding against nine

the winner is rugby league

 

[Steel Saints]

NRL 2023: Channel 7 launch secret $150m bid to steal State of Origin series from 9 | Video​

Channel 9 could lose the State of Origin rights, after a rival network launched an audacious $150m bid to pinch rugby league’s showpiece series.


Channel 7 has launched a long-range $150 million attempt to pinch rugby league’s showpiece State of Origin series from Channel 9.

The network’s chief executive James Warburton met with the NRL’s independent commission chairman Peter V’landys and CEO Andrew Abdo over lunch last week in an audacious bid to buy the highest rating sporting event in the country alongside the AFL and NRL grand finals.

More than eight million viewers watched this year’s series.

Seven wants to launch a joint bid with pay TV giants Foxtel to simulcast the three games on Seven, Fox League, Kayo and 7plus streaming service to potentially deliver a series audience of more than 10 million.

Nine’s audience has slumped from 11.9 million to 8.8 million since 2013, hence the interest from the NRL to explore all options to recapture three million lost viewers.


Channel 7 already works alongside Fox Sports in joint agreements with the AFL and Cricket Australia.

Their offer will include the men’s, women’s and Under 19’s interstate fixtures with a pledge to heavily promote each game not just in the NSW and Queensland markets but nationally in AFL markets.

It would be in the vicinity of $30 million a year ($10 million per game) over five seasons.

Channel 7 is also expected to pitch to broadcast a Sunday afternoon NRL game when the NRL opens its next TV rights negotiations, most likely in 2025.

Nine’s current deal expires in 2027.

Warburton declined to comment because of commercial sensitivity around his long-term sports strategy.

Seven’s national head of sport Lewis Martin was also at the lunch with the league bosses.

He and Warburton had earlier met V’landys at his Racing NSW offices in regards to Seven’s coverage of horse racing including The Everest and other major meetings.

V’landys also chose not to comment on the rugby league rights.

It is no secret that the relationship between the NRL and Channel 9 is now heavily strained on a number of fronts including the network’s attempt to buy the AFL broadcast rights last year while they already had rugby league.

Both Abdo and V’landys have more recently complained to Nine boss Mike Sneesby about promoting AFL on the Today Show more than rugby league.
The NRL even formed a committee that includes Rabbitohs chairman Nick Pappas, real estate guru John McGrath, V’landys and Abdo to meet with the Nine CEO and other network executives to try to improve their coverage of the game.

Warburton is also aware their arch rivals have already committed at least $400 million to the Olympics over the next decades.

Recouping that money from advertising is proving difficult in a tough advertising market.

​

At the same time Channel 7 saved $300 million from dropping their Olympic coverage.

In the current TV broadcast deal Channel 9 pays $110 million a year for premiership games, State of Origin and the finals series.

According to a letter former Nine boss Hugh Mark wrote to former NRL boss Todd Greenberg in 2021, the network generates 35 per cent of its rugby league revenue from Origin and the finals.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2023-channel-7-launch-secret-150m-bid-to-steal-state-of-origin-series-from-9-video/news-story/20a84060bf14b11cad2c28ff9c066a6a

It looks pretty cheap, $150 million over five years, especially if it's simulcasted with Seven and Fox. Also women's origin is rating ok and most likely will go to a 3 match series.

Anyway, the NRL is currently in the first year of a five year deal. Too early to sign or negotiate anything.

In a nutshell, it is a Newscorp article, pushing for a deal to get done with Seven and Fox ASAP.

 

[Colk]

Wow. Go 7! Please

It is good news although they only mention one NRL game per week which is a bit meh.

Competition is good though

 

[Colk]

Ch 7 made noises last set of rights about wanting Origin , but simulcasting with foxtel is new
anyway , splitting origin away from the NRL should increase the overall value of the rights significantly

Ch9 moaned it would de-value them but of course they would say that wouldn't they

But if channel 9 don't want the club games & origin split between FTA & STV , then pay what they're both worth together
180 mill pa ,
otherwise eff off ...

2028-2032

NRL ( 9 games )/NRLW .. finals .. internationals ... origin
FTA only 180 mill

Origin alone , has to be on FTA but can simulcast on STV
50 mill

NRL ( 9 games ) /NRLW finals internationals
FTA 130 mill ... current 3 games a week
STV 420 mill ... 6 games exclusive to drive subscriptions for who ever gets them

NZ 50 mill

650 mill PA

Hmm I would like this to be true but I can’t see either Foxtel paying $420 million or NZ paying $50m.

$550 -$600m pa would be great.

 

[Iamback]

30 million pa isn’t enough it’s worth between 50 million plus pa

Simulcast with fox means fox will pay a chunk of that

seven getting origin would be excellent for freshening up the coverage

arlc should ask fox how much they will pay for origin then find a fta partner themselves

Ch7 would just run Fox's commentary

 

[Iamback]

Hmm I would like this to be true but I can’t see either Foxtel paying $420 million or NZ paying $50m.

$550 -$600m pa would be great.

Yep people really have no idea about economics of these sort of things

 

[Iamback]

Just read the article.

Buzz is really out of touch, No way is 2013 figures possible again

 

[Vibing]

Hmm I would like this to be true but I can’t see either Foxtel paying $420 million or NZ paying $50m.

$550 -$600m pa would be great.

they're paying that fumbling abortion around 400 mill pa from 2025, & the NRL brings them a lot more subscribers
our STV rights are worth every bit of $420 mill from 2028 with a 6th exclusive game , & it doesn't need to be foxtel , but thats the price.

the kiwis were paying 20 mill pa in the deal 2018-22
they're now paying 32 mill , a 50% increase

with a 9th game from 2028 & a natural increase
50 mill is quite reasonable

 

[Vibing]

Yep people really have no idea about economics of these sort of things

the only ... economics... to consider are what the other mob are getting

anything else is waffle

 

[Iamback]

the only ... economics... to consider are what the other mob are getting

anything else is waffle

Yep and you break it down when the $24m or so the 8th game brings in is added to the existing game. NRL will be in front.

Ch9 is about to start broadcasting NRLW, Their share is roughly $500k a game and production.

How much money do you thing they make from showing games at 12.30 pm on a Sat?

 

[Colk]

they're paying that fumbling abortion around 400 mill pa from 2025, & the NRL brings them a lot more subscribers
our STV rights are worth every bit of $420 mill from 2028 with a 6th exclusive game , & it doesn't need to be foxtel , but thats the price.

the kiwis were paying 20 mill pa in the deal 2018-22
they're now paying 32 mill , a 50% increase

with a 9th game from 2028 & a natural increase
50 mill is quite reasonable

Perhaps they are but they obviously are just much better negotiators than we are. They market themselves a lot better and play on the halo of the national competition. They also have a much more compliant media.

Until we show a similar ability at the negotiating table or reverse 30- 40 years of TV right negotiations and media/marketing then it’s more I would like to believe it than it will definitely happen.

NZ paying $50 million is just not likely considering there is no competition for the rights over there. Again, love to be proven wrong.

 

[Iamback]

they're paying that fumbling abortion around 400 mill pa from 2025, & the NRL brings them a lot more subscribers
our STV rights are worth every bit of $420 mill from 2028 with a 6th exclusive game , & it doesn't need to be foxtel , but thats the price.

the kiwis were paying 20 mill pa in the deal 2018-22
they're now paying 32 mill , a 50% increase

with a 9th game from 2028 & a natural increase
50 mill is quite reasonable

They aren't though. It scales up every year. $4b over 7 years is the total including Telstra.

Ch7 reported paying 20% extra. That puts them at $1.2b.

You are looking at atleast $400m for Telstra.

That leaves fox at $340m a year. Allowing for inflation included in that too

 

[Vibing]

They aren't though. It scales up every year. $4b over 7 years is the total including Telstra.

Ch7 reported paying 20% extra. That puts them at $1.2b.

You are looking at atleast $400m for Telstra.

That leaves fox at $340m a year. Allowing for inflation included in that too

yea they are

they're getting 643 mill pa ... averaged out , over the 7 years
( cash , contra & inflation included )
telstra is about 50 mill pa
Ch 7 about 180 mill

foxtel the rest

50% increase from their deal in 2016-22
of $416 mill

while we got dudded with an increase of about 7% on our last deal
( cash , contra & inflation included )

no extra content for either
dudded ... plain & simple

 

[Vibing]

Perhaps they are but they obviously are just much better negotiators than we are. They market themselves a lot better and play on the halo of the national competition. They also have a much more compliant media.

Until we show a similar ability at the negotiating table or reverse 30- 40 years of TV right negotiations and media/marketing then it’s more I would like to believe it than it will definitely happen.

NZ paying $50 million is just not likely considering there is no competition for the rights over there. Again, love to be proven wrong.

don't care about whats happened before , can't change that & these last deals should be a lightening rod for the NRL getting what its worth

the NZ theory is rubbish
if the no competition point was valid they wouldn't have increased their deal last time ,

 

[The Penguin #6.]

They market themselves a lot better and play on the halo of the national competition.

It would be really interesting to see what Seven could do with Rugby League that`s for sure.
I`d like to think they would treat it the same as they do fumbleball where they pretend the game actually requires intelligence to play and cover it as such. It would certainly make a change from the lazy lowest common denominator stuff we get with Nine who seem to think that League`s whole audience are morons and treat them as such.
I really think who ever covers League shouldn`t be afraid to treat the League audience with a bit of intelligence, at the end of the day, even idiots don`t mind being treated intelligently as long as it is not condescending. I`d be very excited to see what Seven could do with Origin as Seven`s whole demographic is quite different to Nine`s, it`s just the area that League needs to be heading towards.

 

[Colk]

don't care about whats happened before , can't change that & these last deals should be a lightening rod for the NRL getting what its worth

the NZ theory is rubbish
if the no competition point was valid they wouldn't have increased their deal last time ,

They did have competition last time; hence why it increased. They don’t have it now

Now the laws of supply and demand might be flipped on its head but I don’t see it as very likely that they are going to pay more when there is no competition forcing them to pay more.

On the first point, I agree we should get more but sometimes you have to look at these things within context. Media companies have stood all over the game for as long as I can remember. Evidence in point is Channel Nine paying $115 million for the League rights and then bidding what $500m for the fumblers 12 months later. This is the attitude you have to change.