Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Iamback]

yeh we know you disagree, you've posted it like 20 times. You dont need to keep saying the same thing.

20 times today.

He needs to get in the real world and into the grey of the world

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

Okay, Oz union closing in a larger deal with Nine/Stan (God knows how), NZRU looking like having a major reduction in their deal.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/rugby-australia-and-nine-inch-closer-to-broadcast-deal-extension-as-top-wallabies-consider-foreign-offers/news-story/3ee0238b6761e74b95d9da44b9a0288b

"Informed sources, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told this masthead that negotiations have been progressing well since the start of the year and the potential new deal would see an increase on the current $30 million-a-year contract." 5yr deal.

"But while there is hope from both parties that an extension will be agreed upon, key players say confidential details within the contract are far from ratified, and so caution remains."

"Another key factor in RA’s future financial health is the massive predicted loss of broadcast revenue in New Zealand. Sources say Sky is offering NZ Rugby a multimillion dollar downgrade on their current deal from 2026 onwards.

"The Kiwis’ existing deal is worth around $NZ80 million ($72 million) a year, with inside figures suggesting that the new offer could be as low as $NZ50 million a year.

"Because Australia and New Zealand are in a joint venture, they share profit and loss. So any uplift in RA’s deal could be offset by the loss across the Tasman, should both remain committed to Super Rugby.

"The lingering uncertainty over the broadcast deal, and the future of Wallabies coach Joe Schmidt, has led to players exploring options elsewhere."

Doesn`t augur well for our Sky deal in NZ but may make it easier to attract union players.

Nine`s persistent with Oz union hopefully means they are determined to make Stan work and this will be reflected in their dealings with the NRL.

 

[Iamback]

Okay, Oz union closing in a larger deal with Nine/Stan (God knows how), NZRU looking like having a major reduction in their deal.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/rugby-australia-and-nine-inch-closer-to-broadcast-deal-extension-as-top-wallabies-consider-foreign-offers/news-story/3ee0238b6761e74b95d9da44b9a0288b

"Informed sources, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told this masthead that negotiations have been progressing well since the start of the year and the potential new deal would see an increase on the current $30 million-a-year contract." 5yr deal.

"But while there is hope from both parties that an extension will be agreed upon, key players say confidential details within the contract are far from ratified, and so caution remains."

"Another key factor in RA’s future financial health is the massive predicted loss of broadcast revenue in New Zealand. Sources say Sky is offering NZ Rugby a multimillion dollar downgrade on their current deal from 2026 onwards.

"The Kiwis’ existing deal is worth around $NZ80 million ($72 million) a year, with inside figures suggesting that the new offer could be as low as $NZ50 million a year.

"Because Australia and New Zealand are in a joint venture, they share profit and loss. So any uplift in RA’s deal could be offset by the loss across the Tasman, should both remain committed to Super Rugby.

"The lingering uncertainty over the broadcast deal, and the future of Wallabies coach Joe Schmidt, has led to players exploring options elsewhere."

Doesn`t augur well for our Sky deal in NZ but may make it easier to attract union players.

Nine`s persistent with Oz union hopefully means they are determined to make Stan work and this will be reflected in their dealings with the NRL.

Home World Cup in this TV Cycle is behind it

 

[colly]

That's why Nine ( TV FTA) wont offer anywhere near $200 So break it up between Nine and Ten. $110 Nine and $90 Ten. You have 5 main events or BLOCKBUSTERS that HAS TO BE FTA, and it's possible to break it up with one FTA having the Grand final and the last State of origin ( exclusive) , while in the same year the other FTA has the Two opening State of origin.( exclusive) It's a business so give the FTA Two games only (each) But with the proviso that the other FTA can place the corresponding game in the other platforms VOD pay section ie Stan and Paramount plus. What could be done is Friday games (early and late ) on say Ten the early game ( straight after the 5 o'clock news) - which Stan can also show, ( on PAY VOD Stan. Then the late Friday game on Nine, which paramount can show on their pay channel. Sure it one less game on FTA, but the RL supporter can take up Kayo ( for all games) Nine for 2 FTA and 2 on Stan- While Ten has two FTA games on Friday early and early Sunday to lead into thier5pm news and 2 other games ie Fri late game and Nine Sunday game on paramount.

So if you sign up for paramount you can watch 4 games including tens commentary team , and if you sign up for Stan you get access to 4 games also. (ie own commentary team)
Someone will say no exclusively, but that's does happen for FTA on their respective games, FTA exclusive ie free.
To complete the deal Fox shows simulcast all games but obviously no grand final and all state of origin.
and let them decide they choose the Thursday night football can be Monday or any other day they choose. So tis means and i am aware that less FTA occurs- and slight competition in the PAT TV, however with the extra exclusive day ( the one they show on Thursday, (which can be moved anywhere fox wants- might be able to bring the current $400 deal into new negotiations with a earlier start time instead staring in 2028. We have to ooer something to everyone- and this might be it. And if the greater $ come up AND with a earlier start time ( say start on 2026) make it a 10 year deal, then will be to say we have the biggest media deal in Australian history. Quick cals $220m both FTA and FOX $290m for a $510 pa deal- only available if starts on 2026, so we get $110m for each year earlier , which is two years early so we also gain $220 by signing a deal early with a early start date.

Everybody gets something with Ten getting something that they didn't have at all Nine would or could a a hold out but it plays to their strategy of more RL content on Stan, so realistically a 2 year discount just to them of say 10m$ might apply to get them on board. Fox will think we simulcast with them (FTA) anyway however it is reduction in FTA. And we can choose a totally exclusive day to show Thur/Monday night game and still have super Saturday, which is a ratings winner for Fox, so the can get on board. If you want 4 games a week sign up to Stan or Paramount if you want all sign up Fox kayto. Sorry their are 4 FTA games so it more for the regular Punter. On TEn FTA Friday early early game then change to Nine FTA late game, on Sunday Watch early game on FTA ten, while also watch Nine FTA Sunday afternoon game ie 4pm.

 

[Canard]

But, but I was assured by noted expert they C9 wouldn't be renewing it's Union TV deal???

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theroar.com.au/2025/01/11/rugby-australia-on-track-to-confirm-broadcast-extension-with-nine-nzru-set-to-cop-multi-million-downgrade/amp/

 

[Iamback]

That's why Nine ( TV FTA) wont offer anywhere near $200 So break it up between Nine and Ten. $110 Nine and $90 Ten. You have 5 main events or BLOCKBUSTERS that HAS TO BE FTA, and it's possible to break it up with one FTA having the Grand final and the last State of origin ( exclusive) , while in the same year the other FTA has the Two opening State of origin.( exclusive) It's a business so give the FTA Two games only (each) But with the proviso that the other FTA can place the corresponding game in the other platforms VOD pay section ie Stan and Paramount plus. What could be done is Friday games (early and late ) on say Ten the early game ( straight after the 5 o'clock news) - which Stan can also show, ( on PAY VOD Stan. Then the late Friday game on Nine, which paramount can show on their pay channel. Sure it one less game on FTA, but the RL supporter can take up Kayo ( for all games) Nine for 2 FTA and 2 on Stan- While Ten has two FTA games on Friday early and early Sunday to lead into thier5pm news and 2 other games ie Fri late game and Nine Sunday game on paramount.

So if you sign up for paramount you can watch 4 games including tens commentary team , and if you sign up for Stan you get access to 4 games also. (ie own commentary team)
Someone will say no exclusively, but that's does happen for FTA on their respective games, FTA exclusive ie free.
To complete the deal Fox shows simulcast all games but obviously no grand final and all state of origin.
and let them decide they choose the Thursday night football can be Monday or any other day they choose. So tis means and i am aware that less FTA occurs- and slight competition in the PAT TV, however with the extra exclusive day ( the one they show on Thursday, (which can be moved anywhere fox wants- might be able to bring the current $400 deal into new negotiations with a earlier start time instead staring in 2028. We have to ooer something to everyone- and this might be it. And if the greater $ come up AND with a earlier start time ( say start on 2026) make it a 10 year deal, then will be to say we have the biggest media deal in Australian history. Quick cals $220m both FTA and FOX $290m for a $510 pa deal- only available if starts on 2026, so we get $110m for each year earlier , which is two years early so we also gain $220 by signing a deal early with a early start date.

Everybody gets something with Ten getting something that they didn't have at all Nine would or could a a hold out but it plays to their strategy of more RL content on Stan, so realistically a 2 year discount just to them of say 10m$ might apply to get them on board. Fox will think we simulcast with them (FTA) anyway however it is reduction in FTA. And we can choose a totally exclusive day to show Thur/Monday night game and still have super Saturday, which is a ratings winner for Fox, so the can get on board. If you want 4 games a week sign up to Stan or Paramount if you want all sign up Fox kayto. Sorry their are 4 FTA games so it more for the regular Punter. On TEn FTA Friday early early game then change to Nine FTA late game, on Sunday Watch early game on FTA ten, while also watch Nine FTA Sunday afternoon game ie 4pm.

You want to make it easier for the viewers to find the game. Particularly at a BBQ or something. Who is going to pay attention or realise they need to change from ch9 to ch10 to keep watching the game?

I agree mix it up but having the same network do the whole day is much better

On your example above. Ch10 has Friday and Thurs FTA. Super Sat. Ch9 has Sunday and Monday night (if that is the timeslot )

 

[Wb1234]

Okay, Oz union closing in a larger deal with Nine/Stan (God knows how), NZRU looking like having a major reduction in their deal.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/rugby-australia-and-nine-inch-closer-to-broadcast-deal-extension-as-top-wallabies-consider-foreign-offers/news-story/3ee0238b6761e74b95d9da44b9a0288b

"Informed sources, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told this masthead that negotiations have been progressing well since the start of the year and the potential new deal would see an increase on the current $30 million-a-year contract." 5yr deal.

"But while there is hope from both parties that an extension will be agreed upon, key players say confidential details within the contract are far from ratified, and so caution remains."

"Another key factor in RA’s future financial health is the massive predicted loss of broadcast revenue in New Zealand. Sources say Sky is offering NZ Rugby a multimillion dollar downgrade on their current deal from 2026 onwards.

"The Kiwis’ existing deal is worth around $NZ80 million ($72 million) a year, with inside figures suggesting that the new offer could be as low as $NZ50 million a year.

"Because Australia and New Zealand are in a joint venture, they share profit and loss. So any uplift in RA’s deal could be offset by the loss across the Tasman, should both remain committed to Super Rugby.

"The lingering uncertainty over the broadcast deal, and the future of Wallabies coach Joe Schmidt, has led to players exploring options elsewhere."

Doesn`t augur well for our Sky deal in NZ but may make it easier to attract union players.

Nine`s persistent with Oz union hopefully means they are determined to make Stan work and this will be reflected in their dealings with the NRL.

That’s a huge reduction for the kiwis and will probably see the 12 million a year they pay the aru cut to zero

Not a good portent for the value of the nz nrl deal either

But maybe a reflection of 30 million pa for nrl that all blacks are only worth 20 million pa not 70 million

 

[The_Wookie]

No Spark to compete with anymore. either. ITs SkyNZ or TVNZ really

Assuming DAZN proceeds well here though, I can see them trying to get the NZ streaming rights for the NRL, might be more push there for rugby league

 

[Vlad59]

That’s a huge reduction for the kiwis and will probably see the 12 million a year they pay the aru cut to zero

Not a good portent for the value of the nz nrl deal either

But maybe a reflection of 30 million pa for nrl that all blacks are only worth 20 million pa not 70 million

Derp

 

[Wb1234]

Doesn’t include the 5 percent share nzru got in sky nz

The real figure was closer to 100 million dunno if that was nz or us

Nine coming up with more money for union bodes well for the nrl deal

 

[Wb1234]

https://www.footboom1.com/en/news/cricket/2284753-rugby-australia-set-to-seal-five-year-broadcast-deal-with-nine-nzru-faces-major-revenue-loss

Following an exclusive negotiation period that concluded on December 31st, Nine has been in a prime position to negotiate a new agreement with Rugby Australia. The context of this negotiation has been influenced by the recent acquisition of former broadcaster Foxtel by British sports streaming giant DAZN in December, which included all their AFL, cricket, and NRL content, amplifying the urgency surrounding the broadcasting discussions.



That would put the value of super rugby at 80 million pa in Australian dollars including the new nations comp and test matches

Awful

 

[Canard]

That’s a huge reduction for the kiwis and will probably see the 12 million a year they pay the aru cut to zero

Not a good portent for the value of the nz nrl deal either

But maybe a reflection of 30 million pa for nrl that all blacks are only worth 20 million pa not 70 million

But I was assured by you, that the NZ TV market would pay top dollar for NRL rights?

And that the PNG TV deal could be worth half a billion?

 

[Vlad59]

But I was assured by you, that the NZ TV market would pay top dollar for NRL rights?

And that the PNG TV deal could be worth half a billion?

Depends on which day he posts and which lie he is propagating. I’m not sure there is anybody left here who takes anything he posts seriously any more tbh

 

[Perth Red]

That’s a huge reduction for the kiwis and will probably see the 12 million a year they pay the aru cut to zero

Not a good portent for the value of the nz nrl deal either

But maybe a reflection of 30 million pa for nrl that all blacks are only worth 20 million pa not 70 million

no competition anymore, downgraded deal, who'd have thought it lol

 

[Perth Red]

https://www.footboom1.com/en/news/cricket/2284753-rugby-australia-set-to-seal-five-year-broadcast-deal-with-nine-nzru-faces-major-revenue-loss

Following an exclusive negotiation period that concluded on December 31st, Nine has been in a prime position to negotiate a new agreement with Rugby Australia. The context of this negotiation has been influenced by the recent acquisition of former broadcaster Foxtel by British sports streaming giant DAZN in December, which included all their AFL, cricket, and NRL content, amplifying the urgency surrounding the broadcasting discussions.



That would put the value of super rugby at 80 million pa in Australian dollars including the new nations comp and test matches

Awful

didnt you say Nine would cut union lose to be able to pay more for NRL?

 

[Vlad59]

didnt you say Nine would cut union lose to be able to pay more for NRL?

He certainly did!

 

[colly]

This would be the line up
Nine TV are the same times that they have now
FTA Nine
Friday 8pm game
Sun 4pm game
FTA Ten
Fri 6.15 game
Sun 2.45 game
Thats all free to air. So a punter who does not want to pay can just watch 4 games for free. Also they stay the same every year, with the Grandfinal and state or origins changing every year or they can choose amongst themselves about the 4 blockbusters exclusive.

So each FTA Ten and Nine ONLY has two games. Always the same time slots , so that would head offf confusion thier.
Now the FTA, Nine and Ten can show the other FTA ie 2 games on their pay platforms, ie Stan and Paramount.

Hopefully this is a product you can sell for $100m each ( to Nine and Ten) Maybe punters will pick a paramount package with Tens own commentary- which is that it engages a huge media complex and all the resulting promotion and advertisement with having both FTA 'owning' a NRL package (2fta and 2 PAY (Stan and Paramount.
Now the hard sell to engage Foxtel......
First say 'you still have Super sat.. and also say what do you want to do with the old Thur game, keep it but exclusive r move it to Monday night. I am aware this structure won't go over to well with some, but to get Foxtel up and over $300m we would have to offer this. I think they would buy it.
Now this can only start on the year 2028. Move it up to start 2026. that's two years with a superior deal, than what we have now. Their would other inducements to offer to get the deal when signed this year to start the next year ie 2026, but i let other s to come up with other ideas..... But lets try.. The ordinary FTA punter gets four games ( instead of three currently) but have to give KAYo exclusive ( like Super sat and another night.

 

[Iamback]

This would be the line up
Nine TV are the same times that they have now
FTA Nine
Friday 8pm game
Sun 4pm game
FTA Ten
Fri 6.15 game
Sun 2.45 game
Thats all free to air. So a punter who does not want to pay can just watch 4 games for free. Also they stay the same every year, with the Grandfinal and state or origins changing every year or they can choose amongst themselves about the 4 blockbusters exclusive.

So each FTA Ten and Nine ONLY has two games. Always the same time slots , so that would head offf confusion thier.
Now the FTA, Nine and Ten can show the other FTA ie 2 games on their pay platforms, ie Stan and Paramount.

Hopefully this is a product you can sell for $100m each ( to Nine and Ten) Maybe punters will pick a paramount package with Tens own commentary- which is that it engages a huge media complex and all the resulting promotion and advertisement with having both FTA 'owning' a NRL package (2fta and 2 PAY (Stan and Paramount.
Now the hard sell to engage Foxtel......
First say 'you still have Super sat.. and also say what do you want to do with the old Thur game, keep it but exclusive r move it to Monday night. I am aware this structure won't go over to well with some, but to get Foxtel up and over $300m we would have to offer this. I think they would buy it.
Now this can only start on the year 2028. Move it up to start 2026. that's two years with a superior deal, than what we have now. Their would other inducements to offer to get the deal when signed this year to start the next year ie 2026, but i let other s to come up with other ideas..... But lets try.. The ordinary FTA punter gets four games ( instead of three currently) but have to give KAYo exclusive ( like Super sat and another night.

That works better.

2026 is probably too soon though. Networks need to sort some stuff out

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

Now the hard sell to engage Foxtel......

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/companies/nine-faces-its-make-or-breakup-moment/news-story/f9abe977566a29f14157d4320e8a338a

Can`t believe I hadn`t heard of this.

"In recent months, Nine made a serious play for Foxtel during the News Corp-led sales process of the pay television operator.

"Still, acting chief executive (and former strategy boss) Matt Stanton opted to double down with television, although of a much different kind.

"Stanton was betting Foxtel could be the business needed to become the bridge between his old-world television operations and the Stan streaming arm."

Seriously good sign they might go all in for League.

 

[The_Wookie]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/companies/nine-faces-its-make-or-breakup-moment/news-story/f9abe977566a29f14157d4320e8a338a

Can`t believe I hadn`t heard of this.

"In recent months, Nine made a serious play for Foxtel during the News Corp-led sales process of the pay television operator.

"Still, acting chief executive (and former strategy boss) Matt Stanton opted to double down with television, although of a much different kind.

"Stanton was betting Foxtel could be the business needed to become the bridge between his old-world television operations and the Stan streaming arm."

Seriously good sign they might go all in for League.

The rest of that article implies they could or should sell Stan

also Weird, because the article link behind "Nine made a serious play" doesnt mention Nine at all.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/howzat-inside-dazns-quest-to-become-netflix-of-sport/news-story/e57c2674d0e7c59ba36ab3e99620cf49