Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Perth Red]

Your mate Dave smith ruined the second deal so much Murdoch got him sacked and went on tv saying they have always preferred afl and gave afl an extra 100 million just to spite rugby league

Pvl panicked over covid so his first deal wasn’t reflective of market

His next deal will be

Like I said, is it Fox choosing to pay unders or the lack of ability of NRLHQ to match or better AFL's negotiators over the years? Seems you started off blaming the wrong people!

 

[Perth Red]

As will be proven in a few weeks time the NRL and the AFL for the year 2024 (last year) the money coming from FTA and Pay Tv ARE THE SAME for the NRL and AFL. Proven! So I don't see why we have to bow to the AFL, especially NOW. It was the same with the latest figures available now. So again the latest figures available ie 2023 had the same result. Lets see what we put together in a few months time. Always possible ( see previous scenarios) we could put a better package together to start in 2026 with carrots and sticks approach to get a new ( semi) deal ending up with 2028 being a blow out deal that puts the NRL at the TOP of the heap! ( in TV, PayTV terms only)

What figures? We cant see in the annual reports what the tv $'s alone were for either code.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Like I said, is it Fox choosing to pay unders or the lack of ability of NRLHQ to match or better AFL's negotiators over the years? Seems you started off blaming the wrong people!

geez we forgot you were in the negotiating rooms perthwrongs, you must get around ya know with being in expansion negotiations, stadium negotiations, tv rights negotiations one wonders how ya find time to wipe ya arse.

perthwrong, ding dong

 

[Wb1234]

Like I said, is it Fox choosing to pay unders or the lack of ability of NRLHQ to match or better AFL's negotiators over the years? Seems you started off blaming the wrong people!

Fox paying unders bc they can afford too

Now they are stuck with a very expensive afl deal which they will lose hundreds of millions on and stan looking to steal away the rugby league from them

Seeing Foxsports only have afl whilst stan has nrl would really highlight which sport is number one and which isn’t

Foxsports losing league would be a breath of fresh air for the game

Not that nine is much better but money talks

 

[Wb1234]

Hypothetically

Afl Foxsports tv deal 400 million
Afl Fox cumulative ratings would be around 30 percent less than nrl currently

So with expansion the nrl should be getting 500 million plus purely from Foxsports

Plus Nine and nz

Stan really has the potential to dominate overnight

 

[colly]

Not rue! W

What figures? We cant see in the annual reports what the tv $'s alone were for either code.

We now know it is $50m pa for gambling licensing, the only licensing we don't know for sure is the merchandising , shirts agreement s for jumpers etc) which would not be much- so a educated guess can be made and the CEO saying it was over $400 cash ( with ladder like increases, ( 3-5% ) which is normal so NRL could easily be $420 cash right now up against the AFL media and Media of $444 m p/a which we could say $20 AFL media then 424m p/a for TV and PayTV
Look I cant be bothered with your nick pickin it's almost the same or within 1 to 2 % of each other.. Yes they ( AFL) start a new deal this year which is substantially bigger (NOW) than the NRL... We will see... what happens in the future, but the NRL have been going all right and It's a fact that they are same..

 

[The_Wookie]

All we know is AFL confirmed the deal was for $570mill cash a year. How much of that cash is Telstra for digital is unknown, but has historically been around the $30-50mill range

We dont know if the $2bill NRL announced was all cash or not. Interestingly in reports this last couple of weeks the $1.7billion figure has come up a few times for the NRL current deal. I wonder where that number has come from?

In all likelihood the gap between the two deals is somewhere in the $120-130mill a year range from 2025-2027. No small change.

 

[colly]

Hypothetically

Afl Foxsports tv deal 400 million
Afl Fox cumulative ratings would be around 30 percent less than nrl currently

So with expansion the nrl should be getting 500 million plus purely from Foxsports

Plus Nine and nz

Stan really has the potential to dominate overnight

No Perth Red said ( TV,PayTV deal cash) would be and I quote him """""In all likelihood Fox and Seven have paid around an avg of $500-520mill cash for AFL for 7 years. That's the bar we are aiming to beat. About a 30% increase on NRL's current deal.'''' Perth Red.
So thats the thread name and that's what we have to aim for or better. With the Two FTA paying $115 each and if foxtel/kayo could pay $330 ( for enhanced pre season Nines and World International Hemisphere championships which makes a media deal worthwhile or compelling, so $560m pa, is on the cards..

 

[Perth Red]

Not rue! W

We now know it is $50m pa for gambling licensing, the only licensing we don't know for sure is the merchandising , shirts agreement s for jumpers etc) which would not be much- so a educated guess can be made and the CEO saying it was over $400 cash ( with ladder like increases, ( 3-5% ) which is normal so NRL could easily be $420 cash right now up against the AFL media and Media of $444 m p/a which we could say $20 AFL media then 424m p/a for TV and PayTV
Look I cant be bothered with your nick pickin it's almost the same or within 1 to 2 % of each other.. Yes they ( AFL) start a new deal this year which is substantially bigger (NOW) than the NRL... We will see... what happens in the future, but the NRL have been going all right and It's a fact that they are same..

Gambling, no we dont, that was in 2022.
Merch in 2019 was $12mill, could be anything now
Digital, no idea, was $24mill in 2019

So your just guessing in reality when it comes ot how much of the licensing revenue live is purely TV. Where did Abdo say it was $400mill cash? and that would be an avg not a start if he did in all likelihood. It was announced as $2billion, its now being reported as $1.7billion. Its impossible to know accurately.

AFL 2025 was announced as $4billion cash, or $571mill a year cash avg. We have no idea how much of that cash is Telstra digital related.

So lets say NRL is $400mill cash this year, and AFL is $520mill cash this year, how the flying freddy does that make them close to each other?

 

[Wb1234]

Gambling, no we dont, that was in 2022.
Merch in 2019 was $12mill, could be anything now
Digital, no idea, was $24mill in 2019

So your just guessing in reality when it comes ot how much of the licensing revenue live is purely TV. Where did Abdo say it was $400mill cash? and that would be an avg not a start if he did in all likelihood. It was announced as $2billion, its now being reported as $1.7billion. Its impossible to know accurately.

AFL 2025 was announced as $4billion cash, or $571mill a year cash avg. We have no idea how much of that cash is Telstra digital related.

So lets say NRL is $400mill cash this year, and AFL is $520mill cash this year, how the flying freddy does that make them close to each other?

He’s not talking about the afl tv deal that hasn’t even started yet lol

Pre Covid the two deals were basically the same

Afl tv deal would be 520 million cash which starts next year

Nrl will beat that and sign a shorter deal too with afl stuck at seven years

 

[colly]

Gambling, no we dont, that was in 2022.
Merch in 2019 was $12mill, could be anything now
Digital, no idea, was $24mill in 2019

So your just guessing in reality when it comes ot how much of the licensing revenue live is purely TV. Where did Abdo say it was $400mill cash? and that would be an avg not a start if he did in all likelihood. It was announced as $2billion, its now being reported as $1.7billion. Its impossible to know accurately.

AFL 2025 was announced as $4billion cash, or $571mill a year cash avg. We have no idea how much of that cash is Telstra digital related.

So lets say NRL is $400mill cash this year, and AFL is $520mill cash this year, how the flying freddy does that make them close to each other?

Gambling... we don't know...
And yet a business reporter with Financial times says it $50m NRL and $40m AFL and we know because the story is the AFL want to get a share as well as a fee......

AFL 2025: AFL wants bigger slice of money from footy punters

The sport’s administrators make up to $40 million from wagering deals every year. It is hoping to significantly increase that by negotiating a new agreement.

www.afr.com

:The AFL makes up to $40 million in product fees from bookmakers every year, a figure that is eclipsed by other sports such as NRL, which receives more than $50 million from wagering agreements annually.

Perth Red Digital, no idea
Yet on page 80 of 91 in the Annual report for 2023 it has digital Sevices income at 2692 (thousand) or $2.6m for 2023.
Small but at least positive with a lean operation...
Merch 2019 $12m
So up Merch to $15m p/a therefor
$485m pa less gambling at $50m less Merch at $15 m gives or equals $ 420m p/a for TV pay TV (incl NZ sky)
Cleared that for you....

Of course your talking about money that's has not been spend or received yet. Or do you think Fox and Seven pay all up now for this year, but this is part of a wider disinfo shit you play up with... So when your challenged you change the parameters like lets talk about this years income which has not what we have been talking about.
And i said like a couple of hours ago YES this year ( which we were NOT debating) the AFL gets about ( but only by Dec 2025) ie in the future substantially more than the NRL.......

AND get this It's our turn to make a play......

 

[Perth Red]

He’s not talking about the afl tv deal that hasn’t even started yet lol

Pre Covid the two deals were basically the same

Afl tv deal would be 520 million cash which starts next year

Nrl will beat that and sign a shorter deal too with afl stuck at seven years

I thought we were talking this year? Afl deal starts as of now.

pre covid they basically werent lol

tv deal 2018> NRL $1.8billion
tv dela 2017> AFL> $2.5billion

2019 AFL tv and digital $397.4mill
2019 NRL tv and digital $348.5mill

 

[Wb1234]

I thought we were talking this year? Afl deal starts as of now.

pre covid they basically werent lol

tv deal 2018> NRL $1.8billion
tv dela 2017> AFL> $2.5billion

2019 AFL tv and digital $397.4mill
2019 NRL tv and digital $348.5mill

I smell bs

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I smell bs

Have a shower.

 

[Perth Red]

Gambling... we don't know...
And yet a business reporter with Financial times says it $50m NRL and $40m AFL and we know because the story is the AFL want to get a share as well as a fee......

AFL 2025: AFL wants bigger slice of money from footy punters

The sport’s administrators make up to $40 million from wagering deals every year. It is hoping to significantly increase that by negotiating a new agreement.

www.afr.com

:The AFL makes up to $40 million in product fees from bookmakers every year, a figure that is eclipsed by other sports such as NRL, which receives more than $50 million from wagering agreements annually.

Perth Red Digital, no idea
Yet on page 80 of 91 in the Annual report for 2023 it has digital Sevices income at 2692 (thousand) or $2.6m for 2023.
Small but at least positive with a lean operation...
Merch 2019 $12m
So up Merch to $15m p/a therefor
$485m pa less gambling at $50m less Merch at $15 m gives or equals $ 420m p/a for TV pay TV (incl NZ sky)
Cleared that for you....

Of course your talking about money that's has not been spend or received yet. Or do you think Fox and Seven pay all up now for this year, but this is part of a wider disinfo shit you play up with... So when your challenged you change the parameters like lets talk about this years income which has not what we have been talking about.
And i said like a couple of hours ago YES this year ( which we were NOT debating) the AFL gets about ( but only by Dec 2025) ie in the future substantially more than the NRL.......

Are you saying there has been no gambling revenue increase for NRL from 2022 (when the $50mill was first reported) to Jan 2025? Do you really believe that?

That isnt the digital advertising revenue. Are you suggesting they have lost over $22mill in revenue a year from digital lol?

so lets take your assumptions that there has been no growth in betting (lol) only a very minimal growth in merch sales (no evidence either way) and my assumption that digital is still sitting around the $25mill mark and hasnt grown since 2019 (which would be disappointing).

Licensing 2023 = $486mill
- $15mill merch
- $50mill wagering
- $25mill digital

= $396mill. Which is where I would expect, give or take, a $400mill cash avg to be in year 2 of a 5 year deal, given the 2-3% accountancy change they make each year.

2023 $384.2
2024 $392mill
2025 $400mill
2026 $408mill
2027 $416.1mill

Total for 5 years $2bill.

 

[Perth Red]

I smell bs

Smell what you like, they be the reported facts.

 

[colly]

what about the extra

I thought we were talking this year? Afl deal starts as of now.

pre covid they basically werent lol

tv deal 2018> NRL $1.8billion
tv dela 2017> AFL> $2.5billion

2019 AFL tv and digital $397.4mill
2019 NRL tv and digital $348.5mill

What about the extra year in the AFL deal of 2017 year ie 6 f'n years compared to 5 years , and we wont mention that $50 m annually inflated in that 2.5 billion from a well know tv channel call telecom, sorry I worked for them when they changed their name and part/fully privatized Telstra
So when you cull off one sixth off 2.5 billion and take out Teletsra, and then compare it too NRL it is

Let me walk you thru it for the umpteen time.

2.5 billion for (6) years equals annually $416m p/a you with me... Hope so
So to compared to the 5 year NRL deal (1.8b) we will times the AFL annual $416 p/a times 5 year equals......
$2.080 billion, looks more but where only talking about TV and PayTv NOT Telstra at $50 p/a
Therefore $50m ( telstra) times five years equals $250m so
$2080billion minus $250m Telstra gets you annual from the 2017 deal $1.830 billion. Very close to the NRL $1.800 billion you think.

 

[Perth Red]

what about the extra

What about the extra year in the AFL deal of 2017 year ie 6 f'n years compared to 5 years , and we wont mention that $50 m annually inflated in that 2.5 billion from a well know tv channel call telecom, sorry I worked for them when they changed their name and part/fully privatized Telstra
So when you cull off one sixth off 2.5 billion and take out Teletsra, and then compare it too NRL it is

Let me walk you thru it for the umpteen time.

2.5 billion for (6) years equals annually $416m p/a you with me... Hope so
So to compared to the 5 year NRL deal (1.8b) we will times the AFL annual $416 p/a times 5 year equals......
$2.080 billion, looks more but where only talking about TV and PayTv NOT Telstra at $50 p/a
Therefore $50m ( telstra) times five years equals $250m so
$2080billion minus $250m Telstra gets you annual from the 2017 deal $1.830 billion. Very close to the NRL $1.800 billion you think.

Why carve out the telstra deal when back then it was a streaming deal as well as digital marketing deal?

2019 (the last year before NRL buried the numbers)

2019 AFL tv and digital $397.4mill
2019 NRL tv and digital $348.5mill

This is from the annual reports so no guesswork needed.

 

[Wb1234]

what about the extra

What about the extra year in the AFL deal of 2017 year ie 6 f'n years compared to 5 years , and we wont mention that $50 m annually inflated in that 2.5 billion from a well know tv channel call telecom, sorry I worked for them when they changed their name and part/fully privatized Telstra
So when you cull off one sixth off 2.5 billion and take out Teletsra, and then compare it too NRL it is

Let me walk you thru it for the umpteen time.

2.5 billion for (6) years equals annually $416m p/a you with me... Hope so
So to compared to the 5 year NRL deal (1.8b) we will times the AFL annual $416 p/a times 5 year equals......
$2.080 billion, looks more but where only talking about TV and PayTv NOT Telstra at $50 p/a
Therefore $50m ( telstra) times five years equals $250m so
$2080billion minus $250m Telstra gets you annual from the 2017 deal $1.830 billion. Very close to the NRL $1.800 billion you think.

Wait so Perth red was comparing a six year deal with a five year deal and also Including that bs Telstra figure in it ?

Lol

 

[Perth Red]

Wait so Perth red was comparing a six year deal with a five year deal and also Including that bs Telstra figure in it ?

Lol

2019 AFL tv and digital $397.4mill
2019 NRL tv and digital $348.5mill

Numbers dont lie, nearly a $50mil a year gap in the previous deal, so yeh your claim they were close is BS, not surprised the smell is so strong for you.