Next TV rights deal part 2

[herbert henry1908]

I somehow think Brad Walter is on the money here. Fairfax still aren't running anything on this, and I literally saw a friend of mine who works at the NRL this morning and talked about the whole Optus EPL thing and she was saying at NRL HQ there doesn't seem to be quite the urgency to move on the deal now that that's happened because they feel time is increasingly on their side.

They are now , although it's a very basic piece. No new info.

http://www.smh.com.au//breaking-new...ml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

 

[beave]

How many times does the word 'could' get used in that article.............. f**king seriously.

 

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They are now , although it's a very basic piece. No new info.

http://www.smh.com.au//breaking-new...ml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

that's just AAP.

 

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I'm surprised they didn't demand the NRL change their name to the National Topball League whilst they were at it...

Their efforts at pretending the Sunday night slot is now somehow worthless are ridiculous.

if only the dumb bogans that take the telegraph as gospel were negotiating the rights on behalf of the NRL, short of that it's really a pointless exercise. They could have at least been more subtle about it then having Rebecca Wilson on the byline.

 

[gUt]

never forget the #humancentipedeofmorons

 

[BuffaloRules]

Doubt it. It'll clash with super rugby games which outrate Warriors games on at the same time in NZ

They have been paying $20 Mil a year for some years now.

I would expect them to pony up some more cash this time.

Have you seen what's happening with Sports TV deals lately ?( excepting Super Rugby of course...)

 

[Brutus]

Someone please post the human centipede pic.

 

[no name]

They have been paying $20 Mil a year for some years now.

I would expect them to pony up some more cash this time.

Have you seen what's happening with Sports TV deals lately ?( excepting Super Rugby of course...)

Which makes the claims of a 6pm Friday make even less sense.

Can't do it in Sydney because traffic is a bitch, can't do Brisbane for similar reasons (as well as a few weeks of DST), can't do regional teams because fans often travel, can't do NZ because it's directly against Union, adding zero value to any TV deal.
Makes absolutely no sense at all.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

never forget the #humancentipedeofmorons

Someone please post the human centipede pic.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Nine prepared to take $40 million for Saturday NRL game

Nine Entertainment Co is considering handing back its Saturday night National Rugby League game to save about $40 million a season, or $200 million over five years, as negotiations between Fox Sports and the rugby league association heat up.
News Corporation, which owns Fox Sports, has indicated it is prepared to pay about $30 million a year, or $150 million over five years, which suggests there is a $50 million negotiating gap between both sides over the life of the new deal.
In August, Nine secured free-to-air broadcast and streaming rights for four NRL games over Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday in an agreement worth $185 million a year.
Fox Sports was kept out of the loop during negotiations between the NRL and Nine and was unhappy to lose its exclusive Monday and Saturday night games.
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The NRL has yet to sell the rights for games to be broadcast simultaneously on pay TV and free-to-air television. If Fox Sports simulcast Nine's games it would reduce Nine's rights bill by about $25 million a year.
Fox Sports had been keen to show all eight weekly NRL matches live.
The current NRL television deal runs through to the end of the 2017 season. Although most in the sector believe that Fox Sports will secure the pay television rights, the league was said to be exploring all options.

Former NRL chief executive Dave Smith drew criticism following the rights deal with Nine after breaking with tradition. The free-to-air and pay television were previously negotiated together. He has since resigned and Australian Rugby League chairman John Grant is running the ship while the league searches for a new chief executive.

The NRL is among the top properties for Fox Sports and OzTam ratings has previously showed that 3.5 of the top 10 pay television shows on average were NRL games or related programs from week 10 to 33 of the ratings season. In five of those weeks, half of the top 10 shows were NRL-related.

Last week, Fox Sports lost the rights to the English Premier League, as Optus picked up the broadcast and digital rights for $US45 million a year.

The deal underscores the pressure facing traditional broadcasters from new entrants.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/medi...on-for-saturday-nrl-game-20151111-gkw16t.html

$40 Mil is too high out of $185 Mil a year (including Origin)

 

[LESStar58]

Still being lowballed.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

^^^

Why would the ARLC accept less money for less exposure (re: the saturday game)??

 

[insert.pause]

sounds more like fox are buying it from Nine than from the NRL, which means the NRL aren't losing anything from the 185m, before simulcasting, but problem with that is fox will try and lowball for the other 4 unsold games. Would be better for the NRL to buy back the saturday game from Nine & then bend fox over for the rights to all 5.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

I thought nine could only sell games to other FTA providers?

 

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I thought nine could only sell games to other FTA providers?

They can, either the nrl is involved in talks or maybe they gave Nine permission.

 

[BuffaloRules]

^^^

Why would the ARLC accept less money for less exposure (re: the saturday game)??

This is perplexing me as well.

Surely this game and Saturday exclusivity is worth more to Fox then Nine...

It seems a bit of an arse around way of doing the negotiation if Nine are in fact onselling the game to Fox....

The NRL wouldn't be that stupid to allow that to happen?

 

[docbrown]

Games can only be on-sold with the NRL's approval.

Walters is claiming that 9 value the Saturday slot at $40 million/season. Not sure where he got that from as it's unsourced but that's about 22% of the F2A total. I mean everyone has said the Saturday slot is the least valuable out of the 4 on F2A and they ascribe it a value worth almost a quarter of the total deal (including State of origin)?

The likelihood is:
a) 9 are overpricing it to force Fox to increase their offer & eliminate that "gap" and/or
b) 9 are looking to extract a premium for themselves - or -
c) It's just a guesstimate -- this is what I'd put my money. It sounds like one of those "can I get a quick unsourced comment" type of numbers.

$10 million a year less for the same slot with less exposure is nonsensical.

I mean unless that $40 million a year saving also includes the $25 million/year saving from simulcasting which puts a value of $15 million on the Saturday night slot -- but that's not what Walters is suggesting in his opening statement, the $50 million gap is solely for the Saturday slot.

If you take what he says in regards to 9:
$925million minus $200 million for Saturdays minus $125 million for simulcasting the channel 9 payments become $600 million for 3 games.

To add up to the $1.7 billion figure the Foxtel component would need to be $900 million (plus $200 million from Telstra), which is a lot higher than the $800 million the News hacks suggested.

But if the $200 million includes simulcasting, then the 9 component would be $725 million and the Foxtel component $775 million -- that is closer to what the News hacks were suggesting.

 

[BuffaloRules]

NRL season 2016: News Corp steps up bid for pay-TV rights with radical proposal


Monday night football could be scrapped from next season and a 6pm Friday night match broadcast on Fox Sports if the NRL accepts a radical News Corp proposal to secure the pay-TV rights.
However, the News Corp plan is reliant on Channel 9 surrendering the Saturday night match it recently secured from 2018 in the record $925 million free-to-air deal and moving one of its two Friday night matches to Thursday night.
Fairfax Media has been told that News Corp executives are keen to finalise a deal with the NRL quickly after Optus last week snatched the rights to the English Premier League from Fox Sports and details of the proposal have been outlined in the company's newspapers.


It is estimated that the deal would increase the total value of the NRL broadcast rights to $1.85 billion over five years.

The haste with which News now wants to proceed has taken NRL officials by surprise after negotiations had previously stalled in the wake of the deal with Nine for four free-to-air matches per week from 2018 to 2022.
Nine is also believed to have not yet officially received details of the proposal. Fairfax Media was told on Monday that rumours of an earlier kick-off time on Friday nights may have been caused by confusion over the 6.30pm kick-off for next season's opening game in Townsville due to daylight saving.
Under the proposal, Nine would give up one Friday night match to Fox Sports, which would be broadcast at 6pm in a bid to attract fans in pubs after work.
In return, Fox Sports would scrap Monday night football, which is not included in the new television deal, to enable Nine to broadcast a match every Thursday night from next season.
The deal is reported to be contingent on Nine selling back the Saturday night match to enable Fox Sports to maintain its Super Saturday franchise.
As a result, only three matches per week would be broadcast on free-to-air rather than the four departing NRL chief executive Dave Smith boasted about after announcing the deal with Nine in August.
Since then, Nine chiefs have repeatedly told Fairfax Media the network was not prepared to sell the Saturday night match unless they received an offer too good to refuse.
It is also remains to be seen whether Nine can be convinced to allow Fox Sports to broadcast a 6pm Friday night game, as the number of viewers who would watch it in a pub and then return home for the second match at 8pm is difficult to quantify.
News has indicated they would offer Nine $15 million per season to enable Fox Sports to simulcast the free-to-air matches.
The development and the gushing tone of reports in News Corp papers comes after Rupert Murdoch recently told a press conference to announce the AFL's $2.5 billion, six year broadcast deal: "We have always preferred Aussie Rules".
Murdoch also vowed to use his media outlets to promote AFL in NSW and Queensland but negotiations with the NRL have stepped up since Smith announced his departure three weeks ago.
If Nine and the NRL were to accept the proposal, there would be a match played every Thursday night, two matches on Friday night, three on Saturday and two Sunday games from next season.

It has been suggested that the majority of the 6pm Friday night matches would be played in New Zealand.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...l-proposal-20151110-gkvsle.html#ixzz3r9Vttynx

SMH buying in the weirdness now...

Majority of Friday night games played in NZ?

Even if every Warriors home game is played then they are still going to be a few short...

Are Aussie clubs taking games there?
Souffs moving to Wellington?

If News Ltd are so desperate to get this deal down then the NRL should be taking their sweet time....

 

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The latest news is just another attempt to push the 1.7bn figure, only they have dressed it up with vague guesstimates of what the NZ & naming rights would bring to get the number to 1.85bn. Grant has already said the 1.7bn is bs & believes the rights are worth substantially more.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Under the proposal, Nine would give up one Friday night match to Fox Sports, which would be broadcast at 6pm in a bid to attract fans in pubs after work.

Can someone explain how Fox will make money attracting fans in pubs to watch the game at 6pm Friday nights?

Could they conceivably sell a subscription deal to the pubs for this one game?

Smells like BS to me...