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Nigel Plum

Vicious

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He has apparently signed with the Roosters for next year.If this is true,i`ts a disgraceful decision by the Wests Tigers to sign two union players who have never played Rugby League in their lives in front of an emerging star like Plummy who has a lifetime of league and country rep honours behind him.I`ve E-mailed the Tigers about this a couple of months back and they replied saying that they are leaving it up to the Wests Magpies as to whether they resign Plummy or not.If it is too late and the Roosters deal has been done I can guarantee everyone reading this that he will play the majority of his games in the Roosters top 17 and stamp himself as an emerging star.This is a huge recruitment mistake as Tim McGann who we signed from Easts Union is an Eastern Suburbs boy through and through yet the Roosters showed very little interest in him.When will we learn that highly successful clubs like the Roosters recruit shrewdly and that if they target one of our young players over a rare local boy of their own,obviously they rightly believe our young player is the better one!
 

Vicious

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Yeah,i`ll admit Crouch wasn`t a great pick up for them,but he played a couple of 1st grade games for them and was a regular in their Premier League side that`s doing a lot better than either of our Premier League sides.
 

madunit

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One player though in a few years is hardly bad recruiting though.

Plummy will make the grade.
 

Vicious

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madunit said:
One player though in a few years is hardly bad recruiting though.

Plummy will make the grade.
No doubt in my mind that he`ll be a regular in the Roosters 17.Sheens has done a lot of good things for the club,but some of his decisions amaze me!A mate of mine knows Tim McGann and his father.My mate told me that even McGann himself had reservations as to whether he will succeed at league,but for some reason Sheens is so impressed with him that he talked him in to it.As for Plum and other Premier League forwards like Richard Parker,Gray Viane and Jamie Small,I just wonder whether Sheens actually ever watches them play.I realise we are going well at the moment and there is probably no need to make any changes,but that doesn`t change the fact that at certain stages of the year we had plenty of players under performing,yet players of potential like the ones I named above were not given a chance to prove if they were better alternatives or not!Asa result we have now lost Plum,as I keep repeating,I have no doubt he will make the grade,i`m not sure as to whether Jamie Small would handle the step up or not,but he should have atleast been given a chance whilst Gray Viane is also unlikely to be resigned by us,yet in my opinion he is the strong,aggressive Ruben Wiki like player that we sadly lack.Richard Parker is a huge,strong running prop that we also lack.He always makes plenty of metres and since there isn`t an abundance of decent big props about we should be giving a player like him a taste of 1st grade before he to leaves for another club!
 

axl rose

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Vicious said:
When will we learn that highly successful clubs like the Roosters recruit shrewdly !

Rubbish, they recruit in bulk and spend up to half a million more on lower graders then other clubs.
 

Vicious

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axl rose said:
Vicious said:
When will we learn that highly successful clubs like the Roosters recruit shrewdly !

Rubbish, they recruit in bulk and spend up to half a million more on lower graders then other clubs.
That doesn`t change the fact that the Roosters have been the most successful club over the past 5 or so years and along with the Bulldogs they recruit shrewdly.Therefore if either of those sides are targeting any of our young emerging players we shoild be doing everything possible to keep them players!
 

axl rose

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madunit said:
axl, do you have a source for that allegation?

Only if you deem News Limited a source. Actually the Newcastle club had a bit to say about it last week. Bascially they can afford to pay a good potential player around $10,000 a year while they can go to the Roosters for up $50,000, which two have just chosen to do. There were reports on here that Albert Hopoate was given a $70,000 deal when he was nothing but a flegg player.

Melboune also gave Ryan Hoffman a huge deal that we couldnt get anywhere near so i assume this happens alot.
 

innsaneink

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madunit said:
axl, do you have a source for that allegation?




Knights victims of own success
By Barry Toohey
August 13, 2004

IT has gone like clockwork for more than a decade.

Talented young kids, falling off the back of a production line full of talented young kids, ready to make their mark in the game.

A program the Newcastle Knights have spent well over $10million cultivating since rugby league's "sleeping giant" was first aroused back in 1988.

The best junior nursery and development program in the game producing champion players, premiership-winning teams and attracting a supporter base as passionate as any in the game.

When Newcastle won the 2001 grand final against the Eels, more than 70 per cent of the squad that night were home grown. Local kids who had all come through the Knights' system.

Players like Andrew Johns, Matthew Gidley, Danny Buderus, Steve Simpson, Timana Tahu, Darren Albert, Josh Perry, Mark Hughes, Bill Peden ... the list goes on.

But here's the rub for the Knights.

Producing doesn't always mean retaining as the club's financial vulnerability leaves the door open for predators.

Rival clubs, flush with cash and envious of Newcastle's development strike-rate, are cashing in at the Knights' expense.

In some respects, the club has become a victim of its own success.

The signs first surfaced in the mid to late 90s when the likes of Brett Kimmorley, Robbie Ross and Rodney Howe all departed. Youngster Luke Burt also packed his bags for Parramatta.

It didn't impact then because supply exceeded demand.

Kimmorley, Ross and Howe left to further their own careers because they had established players at the Knights blocking their path.

For Howe, it was Paul Harragon and Tony Butterfield, Ross was competing with Robbie O'Davis while Kimmorley found himself in the shadow of Johns. Burt left for the money.

Since then, there has been a steady stream of departures at a time when the production line has shown signs of slowing.

Most of the losses have been salary cap or budget-related. Some have hurt more than others.

Big names like Matthew Johns and, more recently, Adam MacDougall, Ben Kennedy and Timana Tahu have either been forced out or left for financial reasons.

But it's the loss of some of their star kids in recent seasons which has the club looking nervously over its shoulder and planning a rethink of the way it spends its development dollars.

The warning bells sounded a few years back when Greg Bird took advantage of an escape clause to walk out on the final year of his contract to join the Sharks.

"We won't be writing contracts like that anymore," coach Michael Hagan says.

Then it was youngsters Anthony Tupou and Jermaine Ale to the Sydney Roosters and Matthew Lantry to the Eels. Tupou and Ale's loss stung the Knights and demonstrated just what the club was up against.

It all came down to dollars.

Both were highly promising teenagers who the Roosters signed for money equivalent to what 20 or 30-game first-graders were being paid at the Knights.

Ale was a 17-year-old Australian Schoolboy centre who picked up $50,000 to go to the Roosters while Tupou signed a three-year deal worth around $250,000.

"They were numbers we just could not contemplate and still can't," Hagan says.

It is freely bandied around that the Roosters spend well over a $1million a season on their Premier League and Jersey Flegg teams.
Not surprisingly, their Premier League team leads the competition and their Jersey Flegg side remains unbeaten after 22 rounds.
The likes of St George Illawarra, Parramatta and the Bulldogs also spend up big.

Newcastle, by contrast, get some loose change out of $400,000, which is all their budget can afford.

A lower-grader's average at the Roosters is just under $30,000 a season compared to $8000 at Newcastle.

What eats away at the Knights is the disparity of the system. The NRL offers next to no concessions for clubs who produce their own players.

And at the same time, the salary cap does not extend to lower-grade competitions because they are controlled by the NSW Rugby League and not the NRL.

The Knights claim it is almost an encouragement for cashed-up clubs to forget about spending on development altogether and simply wait on rival clubs to do it for them
 

MAFIA

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I have never seen Nigel Plum play,now looking at vivious's post it got me a little pissed off with why havent the maggies or the wests tigers signed plummy before we signed 2 union guys. well plummy might have just wanted out of the magies anyway, no matter what they offered him, and he might make the top 17 at the rorters but can you tell me where please. another question you posed that of sheens letting him go if plummy was or is that good how come then we have not seen him anywhere near the 1st grade side this year ???????.....
i wish him well over at bondi but as for him being in there 1st grade side hmmmm
with the talent they have plummy will stay in pl


mafia
 

yappy

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Same thing was probably said about Stuey Webb. He's not doing too bad for a Magpie benchy.
 

jirskyr

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I think some of you guys might be getting a bit overexcited about some PL players.

I'm sure they have potential, but if such players haven't yet made a first-grade appearance and their own officials are prepared to let them be signed elsewhere, who are we to argue?

If this bloke is an exciting youngster or up-and-comer then he would have proven it to our officials and been given a spot. But he has not.

People lamented Brett O'Farrell's signing last year by Melbourne, and what has come of him???

Its likely that Sheens etc see more potential for excellence in the rugby union players than in Nigel Plum.
 

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