Nirvana

[fish eel]

They certainly did, but in terms of how 'good' they were, well there were a sh*tload of better grunge bands.

People say they were over-rated not because it's cool to say so but because it's true.

No doubting their importance though.

I call bullsh*t hd.

I'm in Canberra ATM, cranked up nevermind. As carch says, 10/10. The songs burst out at you in a bigger way than any band did back then, and than most bands today do.

Better grunge bands than nirvana? What the he'll is a grunge band anyway?

 

[HevyDevy]

Overrated="Look at me, I'm some knob jockey who sits on an online internet forum claiming to be the Bill Collins of alternative early 90s punk rock."

Terrific band. Great sound. Get deeper into their songs aside from their radio hits in particular and you'll see a real sketchy enigmatic skid to their music.

Like everyone says, they were hugely important.

Amusing to see the Nirvana tragics fire up when anyone suggests that their heroes weren't brilliant.

They wrote some good, simple, catchy tunes and as always their singles were not their best songs.

But I hate when people say they were one of the great bands. They weren't even one of the great grunge bands.

I quite like them, but there were at least half a dozen more interesting grunge bands around.

 

[HevyDevy]

I call bullsh*t hd.

I'm in Canberra ATM, cranked up nevermind. As carch says, 10/10. The songs burst out at you in a bigger way than any band did back then, and than most bands today do.

Better grunge bands than nirvana? What the he'll is a grunge band anyway?

A grunge band is a grunge band Fishy. It's a stylistic sound that emanated from Seattle in the early 1990s and is widely recognised as a major sub-genre.

And if you're going to use songs bursting out at you as the basis from which to judge bands, than the likes of Immortal and Bloodbath are the greatest bands on the planet. Actually, now that I think about it, they are the greatest bands on the planet ...

 

[fish eel]

A grunge band is a grunge band Fishy. It's a stylistic sound that emanated from Seattle in the early 1990s and is widely recognised as a major sub-genre.

And if you're going to use songs bursting out at you as the basis from which to judge bands, than the likes of Immortal and Bloodbath are the greatest bands on the planet. Actually, now that I think about it, they are the greatest bands on the planet ...

Grunge isn't a genre, it was basically a fashion term to throw a bands that looked, rather than sounded the same. Soundgarden and Mudhoney, for example, two of these so called grunge bands that sounded nothing alike.

Listen to nevermind. These big songs, with massive hooks that jump out at you. A mix of punk with the melodies of pop. Pure genius.

 

[Cupid Stunt]

This is what they were up against when they broke in Aus.
rat cat

On a side note, I still listen to Ratcat & love it. Awesome band live, so much better than what a CD shows.

Nirvana was in my fave 3 bands ever from the first time I heard them. Mudhoney not far behind. Still love them but find I listen to Mudhoney more these days. I think they are very much under-rated & should have garnered more exposure than they did/do, as IMO they were grunge before Nirvana & brought a little more to the table.

 

[Cupid Stunt]

Soundgarden and Mudhoney, for example, two of these so called grunge bands that sounded nothing alike.

HA! I was typing about them before I saw your response! Good thinking Fish!

 

[RedVDave]

The overratted tag is an undeserved one 16 years after Cobain's passing and having only released 3 records people are still influcenced by their music today definetley one of my favourite bands, if you want overratted Green Day, U2, ACDC, Iron Maiden, Sex Pistols, Bon Jovi and Nickelback to name a few.

 

[kia ora storm]

Nirvana Unplugged is still awesome now...I don't really normally get into the unplugged songs from bands but when they did that session it have a great perspective on how strong this band actually was.

 

[sydraider]

Nirvana were basically a punk band who were right place/right time when Punk enjoyed a renaissance in the 90's and it actually took off in the states unlike the late 70's when bands like the ramones and the pistols were trying to push the punk movement.

Nevermind does have some catchy songs, I seen them live at the peneocian (sp) club early 92, I think they were out here for the first big day out? Was a fun gig but at the same time as the songs were catchy I recall them boring the sh*t out of me at the same time.

Grunge was a fashion statement, seatlle had a sound but there was so much diversity in the bands to all put them in the same basket imo. Still apart from soundgarden, Alice in chains and pearl jams 10 album, none of it really did a lot for me.

P.S Red V Dave, Iron Maiden overated???? LMAO get off the crack son.

 

[HevyDevy]

Grunge isn't a genre, it was basically a fashion term to throw a bands that looked, rather than sounded the same. Soundgarden and Mudhoney, for example, two of these so called grunge bands that sounded nothing alike.

Listen to nevermind. These big songs, with massive hooks that jump out at you. A mix of punk with the melodies of pop. Pure genius.

How ludicrous - grunge isn't a sub-genre? Is black metal not a sub-genre as well?

Soundgarden are not a grunge band either by the way. They're from Seattle but existed long before the grunge movement.

Gotta laugh at Dave calling Iron Maiden over-rated. Seriously, you listen to turd like Linkin Park and you're calling Maiden over-rated? :lol:

Anyway, we can all argue about whether Nirvana were great or not and we won't ever come to an agreement, but Fishy you're embarrassing yourself with a basic lack of knowledge when it comes to musical history.

Mudhoney kick arse by the way.

 

[HevyDevy]

Nirvana were basically a punk band who were right place/right time when Punk enjoyed a renaissance in the 90's and it actually took off in the states unlike the late 70's when bands like the ramones and the pistols were trying to push the punk movement.

Nevermind does have some catchy songs, I seen them live at the peneocian (sp) club early 92, I think they were out here for the first big day out? Was a fun gig but at the same time as the songs were catchy I recall them boring the sh*t out of me at the same time.

Grunge was a fashion statement, seatlle had a sound but there was so much diversity in the bands to all put them in the same basket imo. Still apart from soundgarden, Alice in chains and pearl jams 10 album, none of it really did a lot for me.

P.S Red V Dave, Iron Maiden overated???? LMAO get off the crack son.

It's really just a way of classifying them though Steve. I mean, you could say that about any genre (other than the 'commercial' genres where all the so-called artists sound exactly the same).

Look at Norwegain black metal. Immortal and Emperor sound nothing alike, but they are both among the small group of bands credited with kicking off the sub-genre. Actually it's really a sub-sub-genre I guess, yeah?

 

[fish eel]

How ludicrous - grunge isn't a sub-genre? Is black metal not a sub-genre as well?

Soundgarden are not a grunge band either by the way. They're from Seattle but existed long before the grunge movement.

Gotta laugh at Dave calling Iron Maiden over-rated. Seriously, you listen to turd like Linkin Park and you're calling Maiden over-rated? :lol:

Anyway, we can all argue about whether Nirvana were great or not and we won't ever come to an agreement, but Fishy you're embarrassing yourself with a basic lack of knowledge when it comes to musical history.

Mudhoney kick arse by the way.

No, I don't believe from a musical standpoint grunge is a valid sub genre.

So called grunge bands are simply too diverse to be thrown under the one umbrella

 

[carcharias]

I saw in the early 90's

Nirvana
chilli peppers
beasts
hank and the hard ons
sound garden
faith no more
Metallica
Scatterbrain
GnR
The weed
ratcat 3 times I think...and yes they were pretty good live.
All the big day out's and to many side shows to remember


That one Nirvana gig at Selina's absolutely shat on all of those other bands....


except the Weed...nobody shats on the weed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--00kwB9rFw&feature=related


Maybe they were not great muso's ...
I didn't give a toss ....they were great songs and I was very very lucky to see them.
It was at the vortex of nevermind hype.....f**k it was an unreal time to be alive.

funny how 4 chords a simple guitar solo and a damn good scream could sound so so much better than 7 dudes soloing over the top of each other in front of 80 thousand people.

 

[hrundi99]

funny how 4 chords a simple guitar solo and a damn good scream could sound so so much better than 7 dudes soloing over the top of each other in front of 80 thousand people.

Well said...

 

[Thomas]

I saw in the early 90's

Nirvana
chilli peppers
beasts
hank and the hard ons
sound garden
faith no more
Metallica
Scatterbrain
GnR
The weed
ratcat 3 times I think...and yes they were pretty good live.
All the big day out's and to many side shows to remember


That one Nirvana gig at Selina's absolutely shat on all of those other bands....


except the Weed...nobody shats on the weed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--00kwB9rFw&feature=related


Maybe they were not great muso's ...
I didn't give a toss ....they were great songs and I was very very lucky to see them.
It was at the vortex of nevermind hype.....f**k it was an unreal time to be alive.

funny how 4 chords a simple guitar solo and a damn good scream could sound so so much better than 7 dudes soloing over the top of each other in front of 80 thousand people.

I saw Nirvana at The Palace in Melbourne in early 1992. The place f**king rocked. Just a raw as f**k crowd. I had just turned 18 and lost my sh*t.

Then I saw Janes Addiction a few months later and fell in love with them.

 

[HevyDevy]

No, I don't believe from a musical standpoint grunge is a valid sub genre.

So called grunge bands are simply too diverse to be thrown under the one umbrella

The same could be said for every sub-genre on the planet Fishy, which is why sub-sub genres exist (which is a bit silly, but it's fact).

So despite the fact that bands within a sub-genre can be very, very different, they still exist within that sub-genre.

Of course, the actual genre is rock. But are Nirvana similar to Bon Jovi? Nope. Still both rock bands though.

 

[HevyDevy]

I saw Nirvana at The Palace in Melbourne in early 1992. The place f**king rocked. Just a raw as f**k crowd. I had just turned 18 and lost my sh*t.

Then I saw Janes Addiction a few months later and fell in love with them.

Ahhh, Jane's Addiction. I'm going through another Jane's phase as we speak. Just so awesome.

 

[CC_Eagle]

Not to mention Cobain is the most overrated singer/guitarist of all time. sh*t band.

Three posts into the thread and TT has already summed Nirvana up perfectly.

 

[fish eel]

The same could be said for every sub-genre on the planet Fishy, which is why sub-sub genres exist (which is a bit silly, but it's fact).

So despite the fact that bands within a sub-genre can be very, very different, they still exist within that sub-genre.

Of course, the actual genre is rock. But are Nirvana similar to Bon Jovi? Nope. Still both rock bands though.

Well then grunge would be the silliest sub genre. That genre IMO is more about the look of those bands than any musical link they have. I never have gotten why people want to throw a band in a box and say 'oh, they're grunge'. It's pointless and lazy.

Oh, and if you're gonna say soundgarden aren't grunge because they were around before the grunge movement, then that would pretty much wipe out most of the bands from Seattle who got thrown in that box as most of them were around and had recorded before the term got use. Even nirvana...

 

[HevyDevy]

Well then grunge would be the silliest sub genre. That genre IMO is more about the look of those bands than any musical link they have. I never have gotten why people want to throw a band in a box and say 'oh, they're grunge'. It's pointless and lazy.

Oh, and if you're gonna say soundgarden aren't grunge because they were around before the grunge movement, then that would pretty much wipe out most of the bands from Seattle who got thrown in that box as most of them were around and had recorded before the term got use. Even nirvana...

It's based on a sound Fishy and Soundgarden don't have that sound.

Nirvana, AIC, Mudhoney etc do