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[Magpie Nick]

You couldn't be further from the truth.

How you didn't realise that I copied and pasted is beyond me as you've taken Timmah's title of superintendent of LU.

Bullsh*t. You haven't ever offered an opinion and you just admitted it. You said you copied and pasted it, i.e. can't think of anything meaningful to say. f**k you are an absolute idiot.

Why don't you stop dodging my question of who do you prefer out or Labor and the Coalition.

Dodging what question? You barely asked a question with, "what about your political opinion". Seeing as you're too dumb to phrase a real question I dumbed it down for you. Regardless of the fact that it's not a matter of this thread, I'd probably swing to the Coalition at this stage. How many economical booms have we had in the last decade? While the ALP has been in power for a number of months and haven't had a chance to do anything.

Speaking of dodging comments and questions. It was nice to see you reply to my question about the ALP's dental plan. Oh and there was the comment about schoolies. But hey, I couldn't be further from the truth. Not only are you racist and an idiot, you're also a hypocrite.

Yeah, of course you had to have the same opinion as he does as it's the cool thing because everyone else is saying the same thing.

Again with the dodging. Your posts say I agree and that's it. As I've said before (further proving the fact that you simply can't read), I reiterated Unit's point to make clear what I was talking about. Idiot.

I only posted a jersey article in there and you post something un-related to football.

You ONLY posted an article. Apart from posting articles, all you say is I agree; usually within four or five posts after your initial one. But in this thread there was nothing. That's unheard of by your standards...

The Broncos and CA wouldn't of even known about K07 if it wasn't for a marketing scheme by Labor.

Why did people around here called him kevin07 during the election? Are they all media lovers too?

F*ck up dickhead.

What's your point? If you can't understand the fact that Cricket Australia and the Broncos took advantage of an extremely convenient promotional opportunity you're a bigger idiot that everyone here already thinks.

And if you don't realise why people pushed the Kevin07 bandwagon during the election you're creating a serious case for you to be classed as having real issues.

You on the other hand were defined by the media. No one has heard of Kevin07 for months apart from the aforementioned opportunities taken by sporting teams. Suck it up and realise that you have no idea on simple issues let alone political ones and your like for the ALP and dislike of the Coalition is absolutely defined by the media.

Isn't a bloke allowed to change his opinion on something anymore?

C7 news called me and told me to change my opinion. :sarcasm:

Seven would only be calling you to run a story on another disadvantaged soul. You are allowed to change your opinion but first you must have an opinion. The first little thing that looked like an opinion was flawed in the first place and when you were made to look like the dickhead you are, you changed your 'opinion' and went back on everything you said.

Giving up wouldn't be the coward's way out in your situation, it would be what a sensible, logical person would do. But will that happen? Of course not.

 

[realredhillboy]

Please feel free to elaborate, in a coherent manner please.Utter rubbish. A lesson in history will tell you that it has been successive governments who have promoted the notion of 'protecting' Aborigines. It is something that people with an understanding of the issues have been fighting against for generations. It is people like you who have been getting in the way.

There's probably no better example than the old 'Aboriginal Protection Board' (later called the the Aboriginal Welfare Board). It was a paternal institution which ultimately did more bad than good. It was all about forced assimilation - something you would have agreed with - and the board lasted well into the 20th Century, until 1967.

George Robinson was the 'Chief Protector of Aborigines' in the 1800s. Apparently a well meaning man, Robinson got the job after overseeing the removal and wiping out of the Tasmania Aborigines. But of course, I suspect you think the Tasmania example is just another bleeding heart story.No, you have made racist posts in the past, and gunning has made numerous racist posts. Perhaps you missed them. Would you like me to pick one out for you?

Just because you think it is 'the truth' doesn't make it so. The problem with racists is one of ignorance - something you have an abundance of.

oh i'm not ignorant.. maybe your ignorant of the fact that your poor little aboriginals are just as racist as your average redneck and commit hate crimes more often than whites do

 

[Willow]

oh i'm not ignorant..

Yes you are.

maybe your ignorant of the fact that your poor little aboriginals are just as racist as your average redneck and commit hate crimes more often than whites do

My 'poor little aboriginals'. FMD, I don't have to say a thing. Keep digging kid...

 

[realredhillboy]

Yes you are. My 'poor little aboriginals'. FMD, I don't have to say a thing. Keep digging kid...

yeah keep avoiding it

 

[madunit]

But I'm not allowed to like Rudd more than Brendan Nelson or any other past coalition leader because I like Labor. :lol:

Who said that?

I know you didn't say that Swan has no clue, I was offering my opinion that he has no clue but Costello has left Australia in a good position.

And he was able to do that thanks to Keating.

But you weren't too keen to give Keating any praise. Thats because you have no idea about politics prior to 2007. You heard one antiquated quote by Keating and all of a sudden you think you know about politics from a time when you weren't even old enough to understand the concept of Tying shoelaces, or using a toilet

 

[Martli]

I spent last night thinking over this and crafting my ideas to give an intelligent answer. Ironically, I have quite literterally just had a political science lecture that deals with the issues of national identity vs ethnic identity and it basically gave some terminology to apply to what I was going to say.

Eseentially, this is the way I see it:

Australia is a Nation-State. As a nation-state it has it's own national identity and this national identity is represented by the Australian flag. Whether or not the current design symbolises this identity is out of scope so i'll take it no further.

The combination of Australia's colonial hertiage and the rise of globalization means that within this national identiy lies an aspect of multiculturalism; the two most significant cultures (or more accurately: ethnicities) in terms of Australia's history being the Aborigonals and The British Empire. Aborigonals have their identity within the wider Australian identity. This identity is based on shared culture, shared beleifs, shared traditions and shared history that "white australians" do no share with them. It is unique to them and only them. The Aborigonal flag is essentially an artistic representation--a symbol--of this identity.

The case against a similar "white Australian" flag is thus quite clear: no such identity exists at the sub-group level. There is no distinct "white" culture that is separate from other cultures within Australia. "White" identity only exsits at the national level--the Australian level--along with everyone else in Australia. The Aborigonie flag is not a sepratist flag, it is a sub-flag within the wider Australian community that represents the shared hertiage of a distinct and histrocially relevant group of people.

 

[madunit]

I spent last night thinking over this and crafting my ideas to give an intelligent answer. Ironically, I have quite literterally just had a political science lecture that deals with the issues of national identity vs ethnic identity and it basically gave some terminology to apply to what I was going to say.

Eseentially, this is the way I see it:

Australia is a Nation-State. As a nation-state it has it's own national identity and this national identity is represented by the Australian flag. Whether or not the current design symbolises this identity is out of scope so i'll take it no further.

The combination of Australia's colonial hertiage and the rise of globalization means that within this national identiy lies an aspect of multiculturalism; the two most significant cultures (or more accurately: ethnicities) in terms of Australia's history being the Aborigonals and The British Empire.

However, as far as the Australian flag is concerned, it is symbolic of British ownership of this country, as opposed to any form of Cultural symoblism. The flag as I see it isn't representative of the Australian people and culture, moreso, a symbol reminding us that we are owned by the British Monarch.

Aborigonals have their identity within the wider Australian identity. This identity is based on shared culture, shared beleifs, shared traditions and shared history that "white australians" do no share with them.

I think you'll find there isn't much sharing going on at all either way. I think it's fair to assume that the Australian culture for a long time had been one that tried it's best to ignore the aboriginal aspect.

It is unique to them and only them. The Aborigonal flag is essentially an artistic representation--a symbol--of this identity.

The Aboriginal flag isn't an artistic representation at all. It is a flag that is a true symbolism of the aboriginal people and their culture. They have their own flag due to the fairly obvious lack of representation they receieve on the current flag. The aboriginal people have never been treated, or referred to as a proud race, or one which White australians have been honoured to share this country with. They have treated like sh*t and pushed in a corner, metaphorically speaking.

The case against a similar "white Australian" flag is thus quite clear: no such identity exists at the sub-group level. There is no distinct "white" culture that is separate from other cultures within Australia.

A white culture would be one of technology, possesions and money driving their lives, and with a touch of religion thrown in to allay any guilt they may have.

"White" identity only exsits at the national level--the Australian level--along with everyone else in Australia.

For it to exist at a national level, wouldn't there be an argument for its existence at all minor levels as well?

The Aborigonie flag is not a sepratist flag, it is a sub-flag within the wider Australian community that represents the shared hertiage of a distinct and histrocially relevant group of people.

No, it's a separate flag, relating only to the Aboriginal people, it's culture and it's beliefs. Aboriginal people did not instantly accept the ways of life, culture and beliefs of the British colonies, which is why they are not represented under the Australian flag, and why their flag only represents aboriginals.

They are seperate.

The point of this thread has been gfp wanting a white australians only flag, when there's one there in the form of the current australian flag. This has been followed up by his constant uneducated, racially intolerant drivel which serves no purpose other than to further convey everyone's opinion of him, that he is indeed a racist moron with the IQ of a burnt stick

 

[Martli]

However, as far as the Australian flag is concerned, it is symbolic of British ownership of this country, as opposed to any form of Cultural symoblism. The flag as I see it isn't representative of the Australian people and culture, moreso, a symbol reminding us that we are owned by the British Monarch. I think you'll find there isn't much sharing going on at all either way. I think it's fair to assume that the Australian culture for a long time had been one that tried it's best to ignore the aboriginal aspect. The Aboriginal flag isn't an artistic representation at all. It is a flag that is a true symbolism of the aboriginal people and their culture. They have their own flag due to the fairly obvious lack of representation they receieve on the current flag. The aboriginal people have never been treated, or referred to as a proud race, or one which White australians have been honoured to share this country with. They have treated like sh*t and pushed in a corner, metaphorically speaking.

I agree, but like I said the flag design itself is out of the scope of my original post, which was more or less trying to say why white people have no real claim to a flag. It's supposed to be representative of a multicultural society, but it clearly isn't, hence why Aborigines feel the need for their own representative flag.

A white culture would be one of technology, possesions and money driving their lives, and with a touch of religion thrown in to allay any guilt they may have."White" identity only exsits at the national level--the Australian level--along with everyone else in Australia.For it to exist at a national level, wouldn't there be an argument for its existence at all minor levels as well?

But that's western culture in general, not Australia specific. The point is there is no white Australian identity that exists beyond national level. When you break it down the backgrounds are so varied that there is no real ethnic white Australian sub-group; multiculturalism is always going to play a part in "white australia's" identity. There are similarities, but they're not as distinct or defined as aborigines. Hence why there is no real claim to a separate "white flag". I suppose the fact that white Australia's identity is the national identity is because of past oppression.

No, it's a separate flag, relating only to the Aboriginal people, it's culture and it's beliefs. Aboriginal people did not instantly accept the ways of life, culture and beliefs of the British colonies, which is why they are not represented under the Australian flag, and why their flag only represents aboriginals.

They are seperate.

Point conceded, but I still feel that it's an ethnicity within the wider Australian identity. Even if it has been suppressed, the fact remains that as a whole, Aborigine culture is a fundamental part of the wider Australian identity, whether it is celebrated or not. I think we agree here.

The point of this thread has been gfp wanting a white australians only flag, when there's one there in the form of the current australian flag. This has been followed up by his constant uneducated, racially intolerant drivel which serves no purpose other than to further convey everyone's opinion of him, that he is indeed a racist moron with the IQ of a burnt stick

Yeah, I was trying to show him why a white flag is a totally inane idea. Perhaps I wasn't too clear, or slightly geniused in my logic, but I think we fundamentally agree, unit (Especially in terms of his IQ)

 

[NK Arsenal]

Bullsh*t. You haven't ever offered an opinion and you just admitted it.

No I didn't, it was to see how your forum cop skills are going.

Regardless of the fact that it's not a matter of this thread, I'd probably swing to the Coalition at this stage.

You're only saying that because you don't want your opinion made up by the media and you don't want to be like "everyone else". :sarcasm:

How many economical booms have we had in the last decade?

A lot - I've already said that Costello was a good treasurer in this thread haven't I?

While the ALP has been in power for a number of months and haven't had a chance to do anything.

There's only been one week of sitting parliament and they've said sorry to the indigenous people of this great land and signed kyoto.

These are the two biggest things in Australians short history and you're telling me that they have done juanfarkall. f**k you're funny sometimes. lol

Speaking of dodging comments and questions. It was nice to see you reply to my question about the ALP's dental plan.

I'll go back to the page where you posted it and won't put it in this post because I wanna get my post count up.

Oh and there was the comment about schoolies.

Yeah, cause this thread is about schoolies isn't it? lol

Your posts say I agree and that's it.

It's all part of a plan to get my post count up. :sarcasm:

You ONLY posted an article.

There's nothing wrong with posting news, after all news is part of life. But of course it has to be bad news because thats all the media report isn't it? lol

Apart from posting articles, all you say is I agree

See above.

But in this thread there was nothing. That's unheard of by your standards...

This thread is part of a five point improvement plan. :sarcasm:

What's your point? If you can't understand the fact that Cricket Australia and the Broncos took advantage of an extremely convenient promotional opportunity you're a bigger idiot that everyone here already thinks.

Maybe I wanted to promote the Kevin07 brand too? :sarcasm:

You on the other hand were defined by the media. No one has heard of Kevin07 for months apart from the aforementioned opportunities taken by sporting teams.

See above.

Suck it up and realise that you have no idea on simple issues let alone political ones and your like for the ALP and dislike of the Coalition is absolutely defined by the media.

Many people have said that in this thread, get your own opinion trackhead.

Seven would only be calling you to run a story on another disadvantaged soul. You are allowed to change your opinion but first you must have an opinion.

I had an opinion at the start.

The first little thing that looked like an opinion was flawed in the first place and when you were made to look like the dickhead you are, you changed your 'opinion' and went back on everything you said.

But I didn't have an opinion to start with mate? lol

Giving up wouldn't be the coward's way out in your situation, it would be what a sensible, logical person would do.

No it wouldn't.

But will that happen? Of course not.

No kidding.

 

[_Johnsy]

So we had to have a recession? :lol:

It was a stupid comment the first time you made it. Does it make it any better the second time ? Nope. You would do well to take the advice, and get a education.

 

[Willow]

yeah keep avoiding it

You see, this is where you should put up your hands up and just admit you have nothing. You have not even come close to addressing my earlier post, I suspect most of it went over your head. And then you wonder why I ridicule you.

There's usually some grey area to ignorance and racism, but sometimes the cut and dried variety surfaces, and that's where there is no mistake.

Its really unfortunate for you... really.

 

[realredhillboy]

You see, this is where you should put up your hands up and just admit you have nothing. You have not even come close to addressing my earlier post, I suspect most of it went over your head. And then you wonder why I ridicule you.

There's usually some grey area to ignorance and racism, but sometimes the cut and dried variety surfaces, and that's where there is no mistake.

Its really unfortunate for you... really.[/quote

actually your attitude when it comes to aboriginal hate crimes shows you like to play "ignorant "

 

[gunnamatta bay]

actually your attitude when it comes to aboriginal hate crimes shows you like to play "ignorant "

This is the second time you have mentioned AHC's. Can you provide a definition and some examples?

 

[madunit]

I agree, but like I said the flag design itself is out of the scope of my original post, which was more or less trying to say why white people have no real claim to a flag. It's supposed to be representative of a multicultural society, but it clearly isn't, hence why Aborigines feel the need for their own representative flag.

To be honest, I don't think the Australian flag is representing anything more than the fact that Australia is part of the British Monarch.

But that's western culture in general, not Australia specific.

Australia is a part of that Western Culture though.

The point is there is no white Australian identity that exists beyond national level. When you break it down the backgrounds are so varied that there is no real ethnic white Australian sub-group;

It'd be debatable. I think the White Australian identity is open that has descended from England.

multiculturalism is always going to play a part in "white australia's" identity.

It will from now on in, but it doesn't mean that the flags purpose changes. The flag is one of British ownership, basically speaking. I don't think it has much at all to do with the people or multiculturalism.

There are similarities, but they're not as distinct or defined as aborigines. Hence why there is no real claim to a separate "white flag". I suppose the fact that white Australia's identity is the national identity is because of past oppression.

A seperate white flag already exists. To be honest, the whole flag concept, to state land ownership, is one from white man anyway isn't it?

Point conceded, but I still feel that it's an ethnicity within the wider Australian identity. Even if it has been suppressed, the fact remains that as a whole, Aborigine culture is a fundamental part of the wider Australian identity, whether it is celebrated or not. I think we agree here.

Not quite. The first flag flown here by the british was the british flag, which wasn't incorporating the aboriginie people already living here. Flags from then on haven't really been about representing anyone except England.

Yeah, I was trying to show him why a white flag is a totally inane idea. Perhaps I wasn't too clear, or slightly geniused in my logic, but I think we fundamentally agree, unit (Especially in terms of his IQ)

Logic is something these rednecks can't comprehend, and don't want to. It's better just to point and laugh at them.

*points and laughs*

 

[madunit]

No I didn't, it was to see how your forum cop skills are going.


You're only saying that because you don't want your opinion made up by the media and you don't want to be like "everyone else". :sarcasm:


A lot - I've already said that Costello was a good treasurer in this thread haven't I?



There's only been one week of sitting parliament and they've said sorry to the indigenous people of this great land and signed kyoto.

These are the two biggest things in Australians short history and you're telling me that they have done juanfarkall. f**k you're funny sometimes. lol


I'll go back to the page where you posted it and won't put it in this post because I wanna get my post count up.


Yeah, cause this thread is about schoolies isn't it? lol


It's all part of a plan to get my post count up. :sarcasm:


There's nothing wrong with posting news, after all news is part of life. But of course it has to be bad news because thats all the media report isn't it? lol


See above.


This thread is part of a five point improvement plan. :sarcasm:

Maybe I wanted to promote the Kevin07 brand too? :sarcasm:


See above.


Many people have said that in this thread, get your own opinion trackhead.


I had an opinion at the start.


But I didn't have an opinion to start with mate? lol

No it wouldn't.

No kidding.

Why do you spend your time bitching over semantics completely unrelated to your denail that you're an ignorant uneducated racist?

How about addressing points people have raised in response to your comments other than those made by Nick.

 

[_Johnsy]

MU

This way GFP actually believes the utter shyte that he repeats over and over. You cannot make an uneducated moron suddenly have the ability to critically analyse his own comments, let alone others.

 

[[furrycat]]

Occupation:
Proffessional Poster on LU

GFP's profile- someone who is a self proclaimed genius and cannot spell a simple word.

 

[madunit]

MU

This way GFP actually believes the utter shyte that he repeats over and over. You cannot make an uneducated moron suddenly have the ability to critically analyse his own comments, let alone others.

whilst I'll admit I agree with you, I must state I was just getting slightly disappointed that he would no longer argue with me.

I like being argumentative

 

[[furrycat]]

f**k you madunit

 

[NK Arsenal]

GFP's profile- someone who is a self proclaimed genius and cannot spell a simple word.

Wow, a typo..like that's something new on an internet forum. :sarcasm: