Non Footy Chat Thread II

[Gary Gutful]

I took gronks post to imply that he was unimpressed by his clients behaviour, but wasn't in a position to make a song and dance of it.

Yep. Me too.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I'm not condoning one religion or another. However when it comes to me not shaking the hand of a woman because their culture prefers that I don't - I don't see the issue. Does it offend me ? No. Did I at the time feel that the woman was being oppressed ? No, she appeared quite comfortable and in her community being married to a Rabbi is not unlike being a politicians wife.

Of course I object strongly to the degradation or humiliation of women in any culture, in any religion or in any country.

If you think I am being inconsistent, then feel free to give me all you got.

I think he has tried and you've been bollocked with a wet lettuce. You might not have seen it...

 

[Gary Gutful]

I'm posting satire because I'm having some fun.

For the record, I am still 100% in on #pizzagate.

Also 100% on the scoobs.

 

[Avenger]

Just a question to all my tolerant and progressive friends. Your daughter comes home and wants to marry a Muslim man and she wants to convert, wear the hijab, change her name, go to Mecca, have all your future grandchildren be bought up Muslim. How would you feel?

 

[strider]

What u just posted was Australia 60 years ago with the Protestants and Catholics. They were wary of each other. Families would refuse to attend the homes of their religious foes or indeed marriage ceremonies of mixed couples.

Not sure if we saw the violence that the UK did, but apparently it was pretty ugly.

I think we will overcome this as well and our Muslim friends will integrate just like the "boat people" from when we were teenagers.

Of course the immigrants of our time the Greeks Italians and Yugos are now part of the bricks and motar as are the Vietnamese.

I see a massive difference to the "Mediterranean Descendants" who came here 40 or 50 years ago to what is happening now

they came here with the attitude that they will "fit it" - assimilation ... hell they even took aussie names to try and fit in (yes it was unnecessary, but it shows their attitude to coming here)

I dont believe in full on multi-culturalism ... i believe that if you move anywhere in the world, then you need to take the attitude that you will learn to fit in wherever you go .... and i wouldnt expect anything different of myself if i went somewhere else

I believe a more assimilation oriented system works - and i believe that is how australia has succeeded to date ... that would include accepting that your new country expects you to show respect for a teacher by shaking their hand at an appropriate time - is it really too much to ask? Its not actually gonna hurt anyone

 

[phantom eel]

Just a question to all my tolerant and progressive friends. Your daughter comes home and wants to marry a Muslim man and she wants to convert, wear the hijab, change her name, go to Mecca, have all your future grandchildren be bought up Muslim. How would you feel?

So long as it's her choice and it's love, I'd support it.

Actually, I'd like to see some comparative stats on domestic violence in Australia within the different religions... if a religious guy like Semi can (allegedly) admit to his pastor that he "used his hands on her" then I don't think treatment of women in Islam is any special case.

And that's n ot even counting the decades of Christian kiddie fiddling being exposed by the Royal Commission.

 

[phantom eel]

... hell they even took aussie names to try and fit in (yes it was unnecessary, but it shows their attitude to coming here)

Perhaps ask some of the "first wave" about the discrimination they experienced in trying to fit in, before deciding whether taking aussie names was "unnecessary" in terms of assimilation?

 

[phantom eel]

For the record, I am still 100% in on #pizzagate.

Is pizzagate that thing about Dominos franchise owners underpaying their workers, or have I missed sometghing that is more important...

 

[strider]

Perhaps ask some of the "first wave" about the discrimination they experienced in trying to fit in, before deciding whether taking aussie names was "unnecessary" in terms of assimilation?

Dont worry - i married a Mediterranean Descendant ... im fully aware of the discrimnation they faced .... my point is they did stuff to fit in, whatever reason ... they didnt expect the country to change for them

 

[phantom eel]

Agree with all that. I just haven't read/heard anyone say that it wasn't necessary for them to take aussie names - most documentaries etc of the timemake out that it was very necessary indeed.

We were never a welcoming place... and when I now see fear of Islam/Hijabs/halal etc, sadly not much has changed.

 

[strider]

Agree with all that. I just haven't read/heard anyone say that it wasn't necessary for them to take aussie names - most documentaries etc of the timemake out that it was very necessary indeed.

We were never a welcoming place... and when I now see fear of Islam/Hijabs/halal etc, sadly not much has changed.

My comment about it being unnecessary wasnt meant to be anything of great relevance - just that, a name is a name, we can all handle the different names nowdays, its not really necessary in hindsight

 

[strider]

Agree with all that. I just haven't read/heard anyone say that it wasn't necessary for them to take aussie names - most documentaries etc of the timemake out that it was very necessary indeed.

We were never a welcoming place... and when I now see fear of Islam/Hijabs/halal etc, sadly not much has changed.

And i call utter bullshit on the "we were never a welcoming place" ... we are no worse than anywhere else in the f**king world and better than a shitload of places

 

[phantom eel]

Comparisons aside... if someone feels they have to change their name to fit in, we can't claim to have been welcoming.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Just a question to all my tolerant and progressive friends. Your daughter comes home and wants to marry a Muslim man and she wants to convert, wear the hijab, change her name, go to Mecca, have all your future grandchildren be bought up Muslim. How would you feel?

As long as she didn't want any money I wouldn't a shit.

Sorry, I shouldn't have answered this - I'm nether tolerant or progressive.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Is pizzagate that thing about Dominos franchise owners underpaying their workers, or have I missed sometghing that is more important...

Its actually about the time I ordered meat lovers and the f**wits gave me a f**ken vegetarian pizza.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Comparisons aside... if someone feels they have to change their name to fit in, we can't claim to have been welcoming.

Are you saying we aren't welcoming Phantom....er, I meant Bart?

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

Just a question to all my tolerant and progressive friends. Your daughter comes home and wants to marry a Muslim man and she wants to convert, wear the hijab, change her name, go to Mecca, have all your future grandchildren be bought up Muslim. How would you feel?

I wouldn't be too impressed to be honest.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

None of the people you mentioned are anything like them. Not even close. Let's go to any of their countries and ask for tolerance and refuse something that may offend them. See how far you get with your life.

I like you Avenger. But putting 'them' all in the same basket is a bit odd. And it's a way of thinking that doesn't exactly encourage treating individuals as individuals.

Some countries are totalitarian states (e.g. Saudi), and are truly appalling (worst country on the planet in my opinion). Does Indonesia count as one of their countries? They have some groups that push for a stricter, less tolerant state, but others that oppose that. What sort of tolerance are you talking about? Pretty sure that Bali is part of Indonesia, yet it seems that those heathen Hindus have been allowed to go about their business. There's a difference b/w forcing 1 group to participate in a particular practice that they don't like, and allowing a group to observe their own cultural rites etc.

 

[Gronk]

Just a question to all my tolerant and progressive friends. Your daughter comes home and wants to marry a Muslim man and she wants to convert, wear the hijab, change her name, go to Mecca, have all your future grandchildren be bought up Muslim. How would you feel?

I am rather intolerant to those who get brain washed by religion. So if my daughter converted to muslim, armish, scientology, morman, hippie, manly-warringah or any other religion that takes her away from me and possibly deminishes her rights as a woman or puts her in harms way.

 

[Gronk]

Oh dear, some gym junkie tried to dis pizza on the internet. His poll backfired. But perhaps there is more to this post @Hollywood Jesus ? #pizzagate