Non Footy related discussion

[Aliceinwonderland]

Some of the phrases you used Bossley were straight out the 'Taylor Winterstein' handbook of life.

Not attacking, just saying what I think.

 

[DinkyDi]

I do take some naturopathic medications. Before starting such medications I have an honest and frank chat with my medical team....(yep there is a number of doctors and others who help maintain my heath.)

I believe this is so very important.

100%.

 

[BossleyPanther]

Some of the phrases you used Bossley were straight out the 'Taylor Winterstein' handbook of life.

Not attacking, just saying what I think.

I do not know who that is, I went to my GP and took my ashwaghanda and Ginkgo to her and asked about them. I wanted to know if they are good to take and are ok with my current meds. She said she only studied medicine and that she cannot comment about them but if I think they are helping than thats ok.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I do not know who that is, I went to my GP and took my ashwaghanda and Ginkgo to her and asked about them. I wanted to know if they are good to take and are ok with my current meds. She said she only studied medicine and that she cannot comment about them but if I think they are helping than thats ok.

Wow.

I hope she actually knew what the active ingredients in natural remedies you bought in.

My medical folks (that makes makes me feel important, (which I'm not) are quite knowledge about drugs outside of the PBS


Have gone through any side effects or interactions with the pills I take....(I take up to 27 per day, one pill I have 4 of ).Yep I gingle when I walk.....

At times doctors have recomended various things like Slippery Elm for my digestion, (I was going through a bad patch). I suggested Valerian forte....(pain much worse at a night). He and I went through the implications of taking this. This was then added to my pill list.

I've been fortunate when first diagnosed with my conditions I had a GP he also had a degree in sports science. He encouraged and enabled me to take owership in the control and management of my illness.

I then moved to the country and then over the last 10 years and basically done the same.

 

[soc123_au]

What a load of twaddle.

If you're looking for conspiracy under each and every rock. Then stop taking the blood pressure medication you've been prescribed.

That tin foil hat nonsence about big pharma is just tommy rot. Without very strong medications.....I wouldn't be alive, and def not able to walk. My daughter who has heart and lung issues would also be dead.

Medications perscribed by naturopaths do not have the extensive clinical trials that 'big pharma' (as you call them have). Therefore there effectiveness is not monitored over periods of time.

The research recently done about glucisamine shows that it can be dangerous if you have blood sugar and insulin issues.

Fish oil is similar take too much or have issues with blood sugar levels, or even increased risk of bleeding.

How is it looking for a conspiracy under every rock to suggest the big pharmaceutical companies are more about self interest than the greater good?

Do they make products that help us? No doubt.
Are there better products to do the same job that require less dependency? Possibly, I'd say likely.
It's common knowledge big oil buy the patents on many oil substitutes and fuel saving devises to protect their bottom line. To suggest big pharma are are bastion of righteousness and dont do the same is naïve to say the least. Check where the grants for all the big medical schools come from, then ask yourself if the teachers at those schools are likely to tow the line to get tenure. That is not a conspiracy theory, it's common sense.

 

[DinkyDi]

I do not know who that is, I went to my GP and took my ashwaghanda and Ginkgo to her and asked about them. I wanted to know if they are good to take and are ok with my current meds. She said she only studied medicine and that she cannot comment about them but if I think they are helping than thats ok.

Some naturopathic remedies do impact medicines though.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

How is it looking for a conspiracy under every rock to suggest the big pharmaceutical companies are more about self interest than the greater good?

Do they make products that help us? No doubt.
Are there better products to do the same job that require less dependency? Possibly, I'd say likely.
It's common knowledge big oil buy the patents on many oil substitutes and fuel saving devises to protect their bottom line. To suggest big pharma are are bastion of righteousness and dont do the same is naïve to say the least. Check where the grants for all the big medical schools come from, then ask yourself if the teachers at those schools are likely to tow the line to get tenure. That is not a conspiracy theory, it's common sense.

I'm not suggesting that Pharmas are like Snow White (not at all)

It is though the catch cry of the anti vaxxers.

That's all.

 

[Westernised Panther]

In some cases, naturopathic medications, can cause more harm than good.

How?

 

[Westernised Panther]

Have you looked into NAC selenim zinc iodine and pine needle tea?

I took NAC and Zinc as part of a nutritional protocol before during and after I received my jabs. I also added Cod Liver Oil for the Vitamin A & D content.

 

[Westernised Panther]

I do not know who that is, I went to my GP and took my ashwaghanda and Ginkgo to her and asked about them. I wanted to know if they are good to take and are ok with my current meds. She said she only studied medicine and that she cannot comment about them but if I think they are helping than thats ok.

From what I’ve read regarding the scientific literature about Ashwagandha safety with other medications there appears to little to no concerns. The main consensus is that with any herbal medicine, take it at least an hour or two away from meds.

Ginkgo’s an interesting one. Many years ago, it appeared that Ginkgo could be contraindicated with anti-platelet and blood thinning medication (such as aspirin) as Ginkgo had a perceived blood-thinning action. However, this has since been debunked. The recommendation now is to use Ginkgo with caution if taking around such medications (so allow for the 1-2 hour gap).

Some great emerging research coming through about Ginkgo’s potential use in the are of neurodegenerative diseases such as dementia, which is good news given the increasing incidence of such conditions.

 

[Luke Bowden]

In some cases, naturopathic medications, can cause more harm than good.

Like what?

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

How?

There are various natural potions that I can't take because of interactions with immune drugs I take for my arthritis.

So I always but always talk it over with my 'medical team' (gee that sounds pompous )before taking them.

 

[Westernised Panther]

Like what?

I’m keenly waiting for an answer to this as well

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I have a GP that also does accupuncture 1 day per week in his surgery. There are medical folks around that are willing to look outside PBS medications.

If I'm having a bad run I find accupuncture helps greatly (instead of upping my already high pain-killers)

 

[Westernised Panther]

There are various natural potions that I can't take because of interactions with immune drugs I take for my arthritis.

So I always but always talk it over with my 'medical team' (gee that sounds pompous )before taking them.

That’s understandable, as there are some known interactions between herbs and meds.

St Johns Wort can’t be taken with the oral contraceptive pill and anticoagulant meds as, from my understanding, St Johns Wort impacts a particular enzyme in the liver that increases the clearance of such drugs, therefore affecting their effectiveness.

Licorice is an amazing herb but it can deplete potassium so it’s not recommended in conjunction with diuretic-type blood pressure meds.

Have you tried Turmeric for your arthritis? Some great peer-reviewed studies on its anti-inflammatory effects and appears to have no known interactions with other medications.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I do not know who that is, I went to my GP and took my ashwaghanda and Ginkgo to her and asked about them. I wanted to know if they are good to take and are ok with my current meds. She said she only studied medicine and that she cannot comment about them but if I think they are helping than thats ok.

I wouldn't be able to take ashwaghanda because of my rhematoid arthritis.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

That’s understandable, as there are some known interactions between herbs and meds.

St Johns Wort can’t be taken with the oral contraceptive pill and anticoagulant meds as, from my understanding, St Johns Wort impacts a particular enzyme in the liver that increases the clearance of such drugs, therefore affecting their effectiveness.

Licorice is an amazing herb but it can deplete potassium so it’s not recommended in conjunction with diuretic-type blood pressure meds.

Have you tried Turmeric for your arthritis? Some great peer-reviewed studies on its anti-inflammatory effects and appears to have no known interactions with other medications.

Problem is the Turmeric and with Gloucosamine there haven't been any longitudional studies done on it's benefits and problems via clinical trials.

Looking at it quickly Turmeric wouldn't suit me because of esophagitis I've suffered since the birth of my last baby 35 years ago.

All things inter-relate with each other.

That's why having a GP and or specialists that are well outside the PBS is kinda of important.

 

[Westernised Panther]

I wouldn't be able to take ashwaghanda because of my rhematoid arthritis.

Which meds are you on for RA? (You can private message me if you don’t want to mention them here).

I can check the literature to see if there’s anything notable in terms of interactions.

 

[Westernised Panther]

Problem is the Turmeric and with Gloucosamine there haven't been any longitudional studies done on it's benefits and problems via clinical trials.

Looking at it quickly Turmeric wouldn't suit me because of esophagitis I've suffered since the birth of my last baby 35 years ago.

All things inter-relate with each other.

That's why having a GP and or specialists that are well outside the PBS is kinda of important.

The issue with longitudinal studies concerning the likes of Turmeric is that it has only emerged in the last decade and a half as a popular remedy for its anti-inflammatory activity. It’s been well-known traditionally in Ayurveda (Traditional Indian Herbal Medicine) for this effect over hundreds of years but actual clinical trials on concentrated medicinal doses have only been conducted in recent times (of which they are demonstrating promising results).

 

[DinkyDi]

Like what?

I am unsure which ones, I was told with the medications that I am on, for my heart attack, to be weary of taking them, as some can interfere with them. My cardiologist told me.