Northern Eagles. Central Coast. Gosford

[siv]

Bears could have been a great example of how a traditional club can find a new home - instead they became a reason/excuse not to even think about relocation.

Lets not forget the Newtown-Campbelltown Jets who played at Orana Park

 

[siv]

a lot of irrelevant rubbish in there considering the thread is about if nrl needs more regional teams.

gold coast - went broke a number of times, poor on field
illawarra- had to merge
nq - went broke, poor on field most of nrl era
canberra - on field been poor most of nrl era
Gosford - manly ditched the place as soon as possible
newcastle - went broke, poor on field most of nrl era

So there’s the sum total of regional nrl clubs in last 25 years.not one of them has had any sustained on field success and most have been pretty poor,

You can add

Warriors who went broke twice
Perth shutdown due to costs

Even the Storm needed money poured into them above the normal grants and two Salary Cap books to stay afloat

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

a lot of irrelevant rubbish in there considering the thread is about if nrl needs more regional teams.

gold coast - went broke a number of times, poor on field
illawarra- had to merge
nq - went broke, poor on field most of nrl era
canberra - on field been poor most of nrl era
Gosford - manly ditched the place as soon as possible
newcastle - went broke, poor on field most of nrl era

So there’s the sum total of regional nrl clubs in last 25 years.not one of them has had any sustained on field success and most have been pretty poor,

Why are you judging regional clubs by on field success and not fiscal viability?

The Cowboys made the NRL finals from 2011-17. They also made the finals in 2022, 2007 and 2004-05. That's eleven successful seasons. It's not as if they've been at the bottom of the ladder for 12 seasons straight.

The fact the Cowboys and Knights have stronger fanbases than the Melbourne Storm -- despite not having a golden run on the field -- proves my point about fumbleball markets being tough to crack. The Storm have been provided with more entitlements than any other club. Without access to an unlimited supply of money from News Ltd -- when the company held a 50% stake in the game -- they would failed miserably on and off the field. Any club can be successful when it's given an unfair advantage and cheats the system. Salary cap rorting and unsportsmanlike tactics that tarnished the game's image kept the Storm at the top in the 00s and 10s.

News Ltd and the ARLC aren't going to pour $100m into the West Coast Pirates over 20 years. The Pirates will struggle to keep up with the Titans. Part of me hopes they get in so I can rub it in when they're struggling on and off the field. After all the shit you've hurled at everyone else's club it'll be richly deserved.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You can add

Warriors who went broke twice
Perth shutdown due to costs

Even the Storm needed money poured into them above the normal grants and two Salary Cap books to stay afloat

News Ltd provided $75m between 1998-2012. ARLC chipped in another $25m until 2018. That's $100m to turn the Storm into a behemoth on the field. Without that money they wouldn't have enjoyed any onfield success.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

a lot of irrelevant rubbish in there considering the thread is about if nrl needs more regional teams.

gold coast - went broke a number of times, poor on field
illawarra- had to merge
nq - went broke, poor on field most of nrl era
canberra - on field been poor most of nrl era
Gosford - manly ditched the place as soon as possible
newcastle - went broke, poor on field most of nrl era

So there’s the sum total of regional nrl clubs in last 25 years.not one of them has had any sustained on field success and most have been pretty poor,

Gold Coast- still there, resilient, much better than your sport's fabricated nonsense
Illawarra - along with the south coast has a population of 500k plus, dedicated rugby league area with huge juniors. Don't want a bar of your sport.
North Queensland - one of league's success stories, dedicated fan base of a club who punches above its weight, your sport no hope of getting a look in.
Canberra- financially strong, iconic team of 30 years ago still remembered. The only Canberra based team people care about, certainly not your sport's FIFO tryhards.
Central Coast- rugby league heartland.
Newcastle - the most dedicated rugby league fans there is. 700k plus rugby league heartland that doesn't want a bar of your shit sport.

1 point AFL Red

 

[flippikat]

Lets not forget the Newtown-Campbelltown Jets who played at Orana Park

Yeah, but a cross-city move isn't the same as a relocation that takes a team out of Greater Sydney & into a regional market (or even to another metro that's unrepresented).

 

[blue bags]

Hunter Mariners deserves a mention aswell a Super league franchise
The North Sydney Bear's were offered a Super league franchise
But said NO
North Sydney Bear's stayed with the ARL

 

[docbrown]

Gold Coast- still there, resilient, much better than your sport's fabricated nonsense
Illawarra - along with the south coast has a population of 500k plus, dedicated rugby league area with huge juniors. Don't want a bar of your sport.
North Queensland - one of league's success stories, dedicated fan base of a club who punches above its weight, your sport no hope of getting a look in.
Canberra- financially strong, iconic team of 30 years ago still remembered. The only Canberra based team people care about, certainly not your sport's FIFO tryhards.
Central Coast- rugby league heartland.
Newcastle - the most dedicated rugby league fans there is. 700k plus rugby league heartland that doesn't want a bar of your shit sport.

1 point AFL Red

He doesn't understand the concept of regional cities because Perth is literally the only thing of note on that coast and everywhere beyond it is the great radioactive wasteland where biker gangs kill each other fighting for precious fuel.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

He doesn't understand the concept of regional cities because Perth is literally the only thing of note on that coast and everywhere beyond it is the great radioactive wasteland where biker gangs kill each other fighting for precious fuel.

Why does he gloat about the Storm's on field success?

News Ltd covered the $75m bill the Storm generated to attain so much success between 1998-2012.

He's telling us every regional club is a failure because they didn't have a sugar daddy to prop them up.

 

[Dark Corner]

The Balmain Tigers had a real strong look at the CC at the time. One reason was the strong support they enjoyed up there. Maybe they should have ….? .Whilst Manly geographically makes sense, they weren’t/ aren’t the most popular club unless you followed them and it was thought the Tigers would enjoy a greater local support…. which is needed with relocation.

I would love to see a Sydney team redlocate full time to the Central Coast and think West Tigers should become Central Coast Tigers and let West's and Balmain play in the NSW comp.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

a lot of irrelevant rubbish in there considering the thread is about if nrl needs more regional teams.

gold coast - went broke a number of times, poor on field
illawarra- had to merge
nq - went broke, poor on field most of nrl era
canberra - on field been poor most of nrl era
Gosford - manly ditched the place as soon as possible
newcastle - went broke, poor on field most of nrl era

So there’s the sum total of regional nrl clubs in last 25 years.not one of them has had any sustained on field success and most have been pretty poor,

1998 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
1999 St George ILLAWARRA make the GF
2000 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
2001 Newcastle win the premiership, St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2002 Newcastle, St George ILLAWARRA, Canberra make the finals.
2003 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
2004 St George ILLAWARRA, North QLD and
Canberra make the finals
2005 North QLD make the GF, St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2006 Newcastle, St George ILLAWARRA and Canberra make the finals
2007 North QLD makes the finals
2008 Canberra and St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2009 St George ILLAWARRA, Gold Coast and Newcastle make the finals
2010 St George ILLAWARRA win the premiership, Gold Coast and Canberra make the finals
2011 St George ILLAWARRA, North QLD nad Newcastle make the finals
2012 North QLD and Canberra make the finals
2013 North QLD and Newcastle make the finals
2014 North QLD make the finals
2015 North QLD win the premiership, St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2016 Gold Coast, Canberra and North QLD make the finals
2017 North QLD make the GF
2018 St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2019 Canberra make the GF
2020 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
2021 Gold Coast and Newcastle make the finals
2022 Canberra and North QLD make the finals
2023 Newcastle and Canberra make the finals

NRL Finals Appearances:
Canberra 14/26
Newcastle 12/26
STI Dragons 12/25
Cowboys 11/26
Titans 4/17

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

1998 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
1999 St George ILLAWARRA make the GF
2000 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
2001 Newcastle win the premiership, St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2002 Newcastle, St George ILLAWARRA, Canberra make the finals.
2003 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
2004 St George ILLAWARRA, North QLD and
Canberra make the finals
2005 North QLD make the GF, St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2006 Newcastle, St George ILLAWARRA and Canberra make the finals
2007 North QLD makes the finals
2008 Canberra and St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2009 St George ILLAWARRA, Gold Coast and Newcastle make the finals
2010 St George ILLAWARRA win the premiership, Gold Coast and Canberra make the finals
2011 St George ILLAWARRA, North QLD nad Newcastle make the finals
2012 North QLD and Canberra make the finals
2013 North QLD and Newcastle make the finals
2014 North QLD make the finals
2015 North QLD win the premiership, St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2016 Gold Coast, Canberra and North QLD make the finals
2017 North QLD make the GF
2018 St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2019 Canberra make the GF
2020 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
2021 Gold Coast and Newcastle make the finals
2022 Canberra and North QLD make the finals
2023 Newcastle and Canberra make the finals

NRL Finals Appearances:
Canberra 14/26
Newcastle 12/26
STI Dragons 12/25
Cowboys 11/26
Titans 4/17

How many times did the Reds and Rams make the finals?

 

[Timmah]

This may add a bit of insult to those on the CC, but I would prefer that Manly absorbed the CC into its region and played 1/3 or 1/2 their home games at Gosford, as well as the Dragons playing more games down in Wollongong. Manly need to spread out of their peninsula and Gosford provides them a more modern stadium than Brookie. They may even need to relocate all their home games there if Brookie undergoes a full rebuild.

I feel like people don't understand that among the reasons NE failed in the early 2000's is that Manly and CC are not geographically contiguous, and are linked solely by a ferry between Palm Beach (30-40 mins north of Brookvale) and Ettalong (20-30 mins south of Gosford), which itself takes 25-30 minutes. Otherwise it's a good 50 min - 1h 20m drive depending on traffic between the venues.

It's a shocking idea IMO.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I feel like people don't understand that among the reasons NE failed in the early 2000's is that Manly and CC are not geographically contiguous, and are linked solely by a ferry between Palm Beach (30-40 mins north of Brookvale) and Ettalong (20-30 mins south of Gosford), which itself takes 25-30 minutes. Otherwise it's a good 50 min - 1h 20m drive depending on traffic between the venues.

It's a shocking idea IMO.

A bit like the Dolphins playing games at Sunshine Coast?

 

[Perth Red]

1998 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
1999 St George ILLAWARRA make the GF
2000 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
2001 Newcastle win the premiership, St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2002 Newcastle, St George ILLAWARRA, Canberra make the finals.
2003 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
2004 St George ILLAWARRA, North QLD and
Canberra make the finals
2005 North QLD make the GF, St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2006 Newcastle, St George ILLAWARRA and Canberra make the finals
2007 North QLD makes the finals
2008 Canberra and St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2009 St George ILLAWARRA, Gold Coast and Newcastle make the finals
2010 St George ILLAWARRA win the premiership, Gold Coast and Canberra make the finals
2011 St George ILLAWARRA, North QLD nad Newcastle make the finals
2012 North QLD and Canberra make the finals
2013 North QLD and Newcastle make the finals
2014 North QLD make the finals
2015 North QLD win the premiership, St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2016 Gold Coast, Canberra and North QLD make the finals
2017 North QLD make the GF
2018 St George ILLAWARRA make the finals
2019 Canberra make the GF
2020 Canberra and Newcastle make the finals
2021 Gold Coast and Newcastle make the finals
2022 Canberra and North QLD make the finals
2023 Newcastle and Canberra make the finals

NRL Finals Appearances:
Canberra 14/26
Newcastle 12/26
STI Dragons 12/25
Cowboys 11/26
Titans 4/17

Scraping into the 8 isnt success lol. How many top 4’s? How many gf or prelim finals? How does it rate regional clubs v metro clubs?

st George Illawarra don’t count by the way, they aren’t a regional club.

so taking them out basically nrl regional clubs have made the top 8 less than 50% of time and have made a gf only twice in 26 years and won only once. I rest my case.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

nrl regional clubs have made the top 8 less than 50% of time and have made a gf only twice in 26 years and won only once. I rest my case.

Cowboys made the GF in 2005, 2015 and 2017. In 2015 they won the premiership. They've played in six preliminary finals (2004, 2005, 2007, 2015, 2017 and 2022).

Newcastle won the GF in 2001 and were premiers of the last ARL season in 1997.

Raiders made the 2019 GF.

That's 2 NRL premierships won by regional teams and five GF appearances.

You're a special kind of stupid.

 

[docbrown]

Cowboys made the GF in 2005, 2015 and 2017. In 2015 they won the premiership. They've played in six preliminary finals (2004, 2005, 2007, 2015, 2017 and 2022).

Newcastle won the GF in 2001 and were premiers of the last ARL season in 1997.

Raiders made the 2019 GF.

That's 2 NRL premierships won by regional teams and five GF appearances.

You're a special kind of stupid.

Once again alleged rugby league fan Perth Red says something stupid that's easily checked by actual facts.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Scraping into the 8 isnt success lol. How many top 4’s? How many gf or prelim finals? How does it rate regional clubs v metro clubs?

st George Illawarra don’t count by the way, they aren’t a regional club.

so taking them out basically nrl regional clubs have made the top 8 less than 50% of time and have made a gf only twice in 26 years and won only once. I rest my case

Dragons heavily rely on Wollongong for their playing stocks especially in the pathways and their centre of excellence is in Wollongong. So if anything their Sydney presence is merely symbolic.

 

[Colk]

Cowboys made the GF in 2005, 2015 and 2017. In 2015 they won the premiership. They've played in six preliminary finals (2004, 2005, 2007, 2015, 2017 and 2022).

Newcastle won the GF in 2001 and were premiers of the last ARL season in 1997.

Raiders made the 2019 GF.

That's 2 NRL premierships won by regional teams and five GF appearances.

You're a special kind of stupid.

Exactly.

The Cowboys made 3 preliminary finals in 4 years.

Raiders made 3 in 5 years.

I would have to check Newcastle but I’m pretty sure they made a few in a short period of time in the early 2000’s as well.

That is without saying that 2 of the 3 have been financially secure for the majority of their existence and all 3 have fairly strong supporter bases; Newcastle and the Cowboys in particular.

The only regional club that has really struggled is the Gold Coast and even then I’m pretty confident that if they get some success their support will grow.

To further to c*** on his argument there are a few ‘metro’ clubs that have struggled both on and off the field.

 

[blue bags]

Dragons heavily rely on Wollongong for their playing stocks especially in the pathways and their centre of excellence is in Wollongong. So if anything their Sydney presence is merely symbolic.

That's right. Dragons Train full-time Wollongong
Mostly based there. A lot players live there. Playing 6 games there. 5 at Kogarah oval