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[Eelogical]

People are entitled to their opinions but at least get your facts right. David Riccio said on NRL 360 that he doesn’t think Parramatta is capable of winning the competition and Brad Arthur has taken them as far as they can go. He cited us having only 2 players in the state of origin this season (Matterson doesn’t exist apparently). How did that 7 origin Penrith NSW side go against a QLD side missing their best player?

The full discussion.

 

[King-Gutho94]

We probably are Penrith's biggest threat especially with Melbourne fading.

But the problem will be if we fail to make the top 4 it's almost impossible to win the comp.

In fact top 2 gives you the best chance as at a minimum you dont travel to preliminary final week if you lost week one of the finals.

We are leaving it late.

If we hadn't pissed away 2 games against teams on the bottom of the ladder we would be 2nd right now and sitting nicely to make a run.

Instead stuck in a logjam with a shit F/A fighting for a home final at a minimum.

 

[TheRam]

I don't get it. Fans still think we have a chance of taking out the title.

Doesn't matter where we finish on the ladder if our defense isn't in the top 3 of the comp. We have Buckley's of winning it this year and therefore for at least 3-5 years but probably 10+ more likely unless the teams above us suffer major injuries and we do a Bradbury.

Sorry to be the bearer of such totally negative news but that is the reality and no amount of wishful thinking will change that. It would be like me wishing I was a 6 foot 4 Norwegian super model with a 9 and a half inch di*k. No matter how much wishful thinking I do, it will never give me that extra inch at the end of my di*k.

 

[Cloeel]

I don't get it. Fans still think we have a chance of taking out the title.

Doesn't matter where we finish on the ladder if our defense isn't in the top 3 of the comp. We have Buckley's of winning it this year and therefore for at least 3-5 years but probably 10+ more likely unless the teams above us suffer major injuries and we do a Bradbury.

Sorry to be the bearer of such totally negative news but that is the reality and no amount of wishful thinking will change that. It would be like me wishing I was a 6 foot 4 Norwegian super model with a 9 and a half inch di*k. No matter how much what wishful thinking I do, it will never give me that extra inch at the end of my di*k.

What evidence do you have that we cannot win?

How have you come to this conclusion?

Statistically no team has won the 2022 premiership - so with that in mind we are just as good chance as anyone else. Hopefully we have a bit more luck than the other sides and take it out.

Even if we are 10% chance - it is still a chance. We haven't hit form all year. Maybe we will hit our form similar to the cowboys but instead during the finals period? When it actually counts.

We could finish top 4 this regular season and not peaked at all.

 

[Gazzamatta]

I don't get it. Fans still think we have a chance of taking out the title.

Doesn't matter where we finish on the ladder if our defense isn't in the top 3 of the comp. We have Buckley's of winning it this year and therefore for at least 3-5 years but probably 10+ more likely unless the teams above us suffer major injuries and we do a Bradbury.

Sorry to be the bearer of such totally negative news but that is the reality and no amount of wishful thinking will change that. It would be like me wishing I was a 6 foot 4 Norwegian super model with a 9 and a half inch di*k. No matter how much wishful thinking I do, it will never give me that extra inch at the end of my di*k.

Past performance may not necessarily be a true indicator of future events.
Or so my Superannuation Guy tells me.

 

[Gronk]

 

[Poupou Escobar]

People are entitled to their opinions but at least get your facts right. David Riccio said on NRL 360 that he doesn’t think Parramatta is capable of winning the competition and Brad Arthur has taken them as far as they can go. He cited us having only 2 players in the state of origin this season (Matterson doesn’t exist apparently). How did that 7 origin Penrith NSW side go against a QLD side missing their best player?

Penrith isn't trying to win Origin, the club is trying to win the NRL. All the Origin players will help that regardless of the Origin result.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Instead stuck in a logjam with a shit F/A fighting for a home final at a minimum.

The shit F/A directly reflects the quality of our roster more than dropping a couple of nothing games against weaker teams. It wouldn't be a fair reflection of our club to be sitting in 2nd place with our points differential when there are at least three clubs that are much stronger.

But we are the only top eight team to have only played seven home games so far. The top four have all played nine or ten, as have Manly. With all the home games we have coming up we still might sneak into the top four (we did it in 2017), which should also improve our points differential.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Doesn't matter where we finish on the ladder if our defense isn't in the top 3 of the comp. We have Buckley's of winning it this year and therefore for at least 3-5 years but probably 10+ more likely unless the teams above us suffer major injuries and we do a Bradbury.

That is what we hope for. Remember the 2005 Tigers. After 17 games they weren't even in the top eight. Their defence was atrocious. Anything can happen.

 

[Gary Gutful]

unless the teams above us suffer major injuries and we do a Bradbury.

…better than what we are now - a bunch of Cadburys.

 

[lucablight]

Penrith isn't trying to win Origin, the club is trying to win the NRL. All the Origin players will help that regardless of the Origin result.

I think the origin result shows that Penrith have a lot of above average players (that aren’t elite) who were selected in origin because they are a great team. If all those players were elite they should have had no problems dispatching 2 of the weakest QLD sides over the last 3 years but they were found lacking. I would say we also have alot of above average players but they don’t get selected in origin because we aren’t a great team. So I can’t agree that we’re maximising our talent when Penrith is killing it with a contingent of players that can’t even beat two of the weakest QLD teams.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I think the origin result shows that Penrith have a lot of above average players (that aren’t elite) who were selected in origin because they are a great team. If all those players were elite they should have had no problems dispatching 2 of the weakest QLD sides over the last 3 years but they were found lacking. I would say we also have alot of above average players but they don’t get selected in origin because we aren’t a great team. So I can’t agree that we’re maximising our talent when Penrith is killing it with a contingent of players that can’t even beat two of the weakest QLD teams.

Reading way too much into a ludicrously small number of games.

 

[lucablight]

Reading way too much into a ludicrously small number of games.

It’s 3 years not one origin game.

 

[Gary Gutful]

It’s 3 years not one origin game.

Its a ludicrously small number of games. Particularly when you have to remove the ones that NSW won.

How many actual games are you basing this assessment on? The 5 games out of 9 that QLD have won in 3 years?

Doesn't stack up and is a disingenous argument.

2022 - 16 wins, 1 loss
2021 - 24 wins, 4 losses
2020 - 20 wins, 2 losses, 1 draw.

Need to use all of the data available when trying to make a point.

 

[Pazza]

im sick of hearing that the Eels premiership window is coming to a close. There is no reason given a couple of astute purchases and a couple of kids that this team cant keep being competitive next season.

 

[lucablight]

Its a ludicrously small number of games. Particularly when you have to remove the ones that NSW won.

How many actual games are you basing this assessment on? The 5 games out of 9 that QLD have won in 3 years?

Doesn't stack up and is a disingenous argument.

2022 - 16 wins, 1 loss
2021 - 24 wins, 4 losses
2020 - 20 wins, 2 losses, 1 draw.

Need to use all of the data available when trying to make a point.

Your data supports my argument. I said they were a great team. Their regular season record clearly shows it. However, some games hold more weight than others i.e deciding origin games and finals games. If South Sydney had scored another try in the grand final last season then Penrith would be a bunch of choking mugs who had won nothing. Ditto if Paulo crashes over instead of dropping the pass from Ray Stone in the final minute of the semi final.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Your data supports my argument. I said they were a great team. Their regular season record clearly shows it. However, some games hold more weight than others i.e deciding origin games and finals games. If South Sydney had scored another try in the grand final last season then Penrith would be a bunch of choking mugs who had won nothing. Ditto if Paulo crashes over instead of dropping the pass from Ray Stone in the final minute of the semi final.

You are basing your entire argument on 5 games and have now introduced two pretty silly what ifs on games that they won. Weak.

 

[lucablight]

You are basing your entire argument on 5 games and have now introduced two pretty silly what ifs on games that they won. Weak.

You’re just handwaving away what I’m saying because it doesn’t suit your preconceived narrative. It’s not 5 games. It’s 3 series which is a decent sample size. Who gives a damn if QLD have won 5 games to 4? I literally said that some games hold more weight than others and it’s the series wins that matter overall. Also, I acknowledged that Penrith won those finals games and they’re recognised as a great team because of those victories. I don’t know how saying the slightest of margins having a huge influence on a teams legacy is weak. That’s literally a fact.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think the origin result shows that Penrith have a lot of above average players (that aren’t elite) who were selected in origin because they are a great team. If all those players were elite they should have had no problems dispatching 2 of the weakest QLD sides over the last 3 years but they were found lacking. I would say we also have alot of above average players but they don’t get selected in origin because we aren’t a great team. So I can’t agree that we’re maximising our talent when Penrith is killing it with a contingent of players that can’t even beat two of the weakest QLD teams.

That ‘weak’ Queensland team would win the NRL comfortably. You’re off your head to think a club side should be able to beat the winning Origin team.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Your data supports my argument. I said they were a great team. Their regular season record clearly shows it. However, some games hold more weight than others i.e deciding origin games and finals games. If South Sydney had scored another try in the grand final last season then Penrith would be a bunch of choking mugs who had won nothing. Ditto if Paulo crashes over instead of dropping the pass from Ray Stone in the final minute of the semi final.

Agreed, any given close result comes down to luck on the day. That’s why you need to consider much larger samples than just a handful of finals matches.