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NRL backs clubs in fight against pokies reform / supports exploitation of vulnerable

Ice Ice Brady

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Media release out today:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59202512/NRL-Clubs-against-Pokie-reforms

Be prepared for advertisements at every game starring Steve Mortimer, saying pokie machines are ok.

NRL CEO David Gallop said that clubs played an important role in attracting kids to the game.

“Last year, clubs
ran 1,130 junior rugby league clubs, and donated $40 million to help fund thepurchase of football jumpers, shorts, socks, trophies, insurance, medical kits, referee outfits and
ground development,” he said.

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At the same time licensed clubs continue to play a vital role in the success of clubs in the Telstrapremiership.

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There are any number of gambling options in the community but none which contribute to thecommunity in the way that the clubs movement does.

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Our concern is that these measures will not prevent problem gambling but that it will severelydamage rugby league and other community sports
.”

Wow.

So because the NRL funding model is so bad that it relies on machines that exploit vulnerable people, it should keep on going.

Shows the moral and ethical values of the NRL administration that they are willing to support this stupid "license to punt" campaign.
 

Flapper

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If the vast majority of people who played the pokies were "vulnerable" you may have a point. But they're not, so you don't.
 

Big Mick

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people have a choice.

If they choose to piss away their dole cheques through the pokies that is there fault.

They have the power to change that, and there are mechanisms in place to change that.

Noone forces them to go to the club, noone forces them to put their money in the poker machine...

To say they are vulnerable is just stupid.
 

thorson1987

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people have a choice.

If they choose to piss away their dole cheques through the pokies that is there fault.

They have the power to change that, and there are mechanisms in place to change that.

Noone forces them to go to the club, noone forces them to put their money in the poker machine...

To say they are vulnerable is just stupid.

This.

If you stop them from playing pokies they will piss away the money on other things. i.e donkeys and dish lickers. The difference being is the clubs make more money from pokies which in turn gets put back into the community
 

Dragon

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Yep, its rugby leagues fault that some individuals dont have self control. Makes perfect sense
 

Big Mick

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So its Rugby League's fault that chick is a gambling addict.

Was she possessed by the NRL gambling devil that forced her to steal the chequebook?

No.

She made a choice, it was a bad choice. And most of all it was illegal.

She got off easy with 3 years.
 

coolumsharkie

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So its Rugby League's fault that chick is a gambling addict.

Was she possessed by the NRL gambling devil that forced her to steal the chequebook?

No.

She made a choice, it was a bad choice. And most of all it was illegal.

She got off easy with 3 years.

I agree, I'm not defending her but the NRL should not support/encourage such vices that cause trauma in the general public. The reality is that they are a horrible invention that can and do destroy family's.
 

Raider_69

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So its Rugby League's fault that chick is a gambling addict.

Was she possessed by the NRL gambling devil that forced her to steal the chequebook?

No.

She made a choice, it was a bad choice. And most of all it was illegal.

She got off easy with 3 years.

She was possessed by the NRL gambling devil, i call him Gamblor, and its time to snatch this poor women from his neon claws!!
 

Ice Ice Brady

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If the vast majority of people who played the pokies were "vulnerable" you may have a point. But they're not, so you don't.

I agree that a vast majority of pokies users don't have a problem. But 15% do, according to the Productivity Commission. That 15% make up 40% of revenue from pokies machines.

I call these people vulnerable because the machines themselves and the environment they are put in are designed to take advantage of people. They attract people and the addiction is just like a drug addiction.

I have first hand experience with someone with a pokies problem (and it wasn't a gambling problem, she only played the pokies), and I can't stand it when people carry on that these people can help themselves. Many won't admit it is a problem and there is nothing even a son can do to help.

I've had my own experience with a club associated with an NRL team. I spoke to management there on what I could do. They didn't care. They gave me the G-Line number and a form that the person could fill in for self-exclusion. It only became an issue for them, when I made a huge scene inside the club and threatened to sue them for providing the person with free food and refreshments to keep the person playing.

people have a choice.

If they choose to piss away their dole cheques through the pokies that is there fault.

They have the power to change that, and there are mechanisms in place to change that.

Noone forces them to go to the club, noone forces them to put their money in the poker machine...

To say they are vulnerable is just stupid.

Some people don't have a choice. It's comparable to a drug addiction.

This specific pokies reform will actually allow people to make a well informed choice when they put the money in. So as someone who supports choice, you'd support this measure.

This.

If you stop them from playing pokies they will piss away the money on other things. i.e donkeys and dish lickers. The difference being is the clubs make more money from pokies which in turn gets put back into the community

Many of these people don't have a gambling problem but a problem with the pokies.

If they want to reform pokies they should get them out of pubs before they even think about targetting clubs.

You aren't very informed are you. All pokies, if they are in a pub, casino or club, will have to have pre-commitment capabilities. They are targetting everything.

It is just that clubs stand the most to lose so they are the most vocal.

Vulnerable = dumb

You're an idiot. And I wouldn't normally say that to a fellow Pensioner.
 

Ice Ice Brady

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It seems the general feeling is that the pokies aren't a problem. That's very disappointing.

Instead of criticising the NRL and clubs for relying on such an unsustainable form of revenue, you're willing to accept something that significantly harms society because it gives your club some money.
 
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You aren't very informed are you. All pokies, if they are in a pub, casino or club, will have to have pre-commitment capabilities. They are targetting everything.
I know that you silly old fool. I'm saying IF THEY WANTED TO REFORM POKIES THEY SHOULD GET THEM OUT OF PUBS. They offer the community little/nothing. Clubs on the other hand are vital.
 

Sgt. Kabukiman

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I have first hand experience with someone with a pokies problem

Then you have had first hand experience with a moron. If the pokies didn't take this dimwit's money, then something else would have. At least this way, her cash went towards helping the community.
 

Ice Ice Brady

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I know that you silly old fool. I'm saying IF THEY WANTED TO REFORM POKIES THEY SHOULD GET THEM OUT OF PUBS. They offer the community little/nothing. Clubs on the other hand are vital.

23 is hardly old, you idiot.

Do you think pre-commitment will destroy clubs? If so, how?

Then you have had first hand experience with a moron. If the pokies didn't take this dimwit's money, then something else would have. At least this way, her cash went towards helping the community.

I agree she was a moron. But once someone falls into that hole, it's near impossible to get them out. Any addiction psychologist/counsellor will tell you gambling addiction is the hardest to combat.

But I guess I should be happy the money she borrowed and defaulted on went to paying for a pizza van to drive around Sydney late at night giving drunk teenagers a free feed.
 

Perth Red

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We've brought in smoking laws to reduce impact of smokinge have alcohol sales laws to reduce easy access to grog, we have banned opium, heroin, dope etc as we know if easily available "vunerable" (ie stupid) will get addicted and destroy their and their families lives, gambling was bound to be next.

If the ARL had proper funding $40mill would be a drop in the ocean for jnr funding. We have no pokies in WA yet the WAFL manages to spend a $20mill+ a year on grass roots Aussie rules in WA then the AFL also funds a number of programmes sucha s Auskick and then the two AF clubs also fund jnr development programmes.
 

Ice Ice Brady

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Also, one has to question the credibility of the NRL, David Gallop, Steve Mortimer and Clubs for those figures in the press release.

According to the press release, Easts Leagues would have over 6000 pokies. The cost of precommitment technology is $600 per machine. So apparently, the installation cost for Easts puts them at 6675 life destroyers.

Pretty sure they'd have a couple of hundred at most.

These reforms will not harm the big clubs and will go a step towards fighting this huge social problem.
 

Ice Ice Brady

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We've brought in smoking laws to reduce impact of smokinge have alcohol sales laws to reduce easy access to grog, we have banned opium, heroin, dope etc as we know if easily available "vunerable" (ie stupid) will get addicted and destroy their and their families lives, gambling was bound to be next.

If the ARL had proper funding $40mill would be a drop in the ocean for jnr funding. We have no pokies in WA yet the WAFL manages to spend a $20mill+ a year on grass roots Aussie rules in WA then the AFL also funds a number of programmes sucha s Auskick and then the two AF clubs also fund jnr development programmes.

This.

Clubs and the NRL have been too lazy. Their solution to finding profits is to put a bunch of gambling machines and make profits off people's misery. In fact, we're the only country in the world that relies on gambling for funding of sports.
 

Noa

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Good idea to get focus on the Pubs before the clubs, they really are leeches. Some stupid repsonces with the comments such as "its there fault", I guess self-interest always wins out in a 2 horse race.
 

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