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NRL Expansion. Ideas and opinions.

Who would you admit as the next team into the NRL?

  • Perth

    Votes: 75 57.7%
  • PNG

    Votes: 8 6.2%
  • Wellington/2nd NZ team

    Votes: 5 3.8%
  • Adelaide

    Votes: 6 4.6%
  • Darwin

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Fiji

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Central Coast

    Votes: 10 7.7%
  • Central Queensland/4th Queensland team

    Votes: 12 9.2%
  • Samoa

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Other (please specify)/No Expansion

    Votes: 12 9.2%

  • Total voters
    130

BuffaloRules

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Interesting crowd averages this year..

Average Home Crowds as at Round 20
BRI 29,952
SOU 18,814
NEW 18,446
WST 18,094
MEL 17,559
SGI 17,291
WAR 17,037
CBY 15,511
PEN 14,412
NQL 14,024
SYD 13,630
CRO 12,780
MAN 12,052
PAR 11,762
GLD 11,272
CAN 11,241
 

greenBV4

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Parra
Penrith
Manly
Roosters
Souths
Tigers
Dogs
Dragons
Sharks


Storm
Broncos
Cowboys
Knights
Raiders
Warriors
Titans
Perth
Brisbane 2

So the furthest all the Sydney teams have to travel is to Wollongong (and only for half of the dragons games) and the rest are left to zip around the whole country??
Thats going to be fair come finals time and on the clubs travel expenses..
 

greenBV4

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Interesting crowd averages this year..

Average Home Crowds as at Round 20
BRI 29,952
SOU 18,814
NEW 18,446
WST 18,094
MEL 17,559
SGI 17,291
WAR 17,037
CBY 15,511
PEN 14,412
NQL 14,024
SYD 13,630
CRO 12,780
MAN 12,052
PAR 11,762
GLD 11,272
CAN 11,241

I posted this in crowd watch a few days ago, found it even more interesting (shows each cities average as club figures are effected by travelling games)

crowd figures were gathered from wikipedia and its correct as of round 21

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BuffaloRules

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I posted this in crowd watch a few days ago, found it even more interesting (shows each cities average as club figures are effected by travelling games)

Oh ok, so we can discount the Roosters and Souffs because they played a game in Adelaide and Perth.. is that what you are saying?

The Tigers played a game in Auckland, but then they played a game in Tamworth as well so does that balance out in your mind?
 

greenBV4

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Oh ok, so we can discount the Roosters and Souffs because they played a game in Adelaide and Perth.. is that what you are saying?

The Tigers played a game in Auckland, but then they played a game in Tamworth as well so does that balance out in your mind?

I wasn't necessarily saying the club figures where wrong/needed balancing, I just found it interesting to see the average crowds turning up at each stadium regardless of who was playing

Tigers have played at 5(?) different stadiums this year so their club average is a mixture of crowds
Using that list shows that their Leichhardt games averaged more than Campbeltown, etc.
 

BuffaloRules

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I wasn't necessarily saying the club figures where wrong/needed balancing, I just found it interesting to see the average crowds turning up at each stadium regardless of who was playing

Tigers have played at 5(?) different stadiums this year so their club average is a mixture of crowds
Using that list shows that their Leichhardt games averaged more than Campbeltown, etc.

Yes.. though of course when you are using a small sample size like 1, 2 or 3 games then a few other things should be taken into account like when the game is played ( Thurs night, Fri 6pm) , weather and opponent as we all know that will impact the crowd size..
 

The Great Dane

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https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/a...n/news-story/b196bf40dc82623f979a93bf4cb5f69b

Andrew Johns reveals radical plan to slash NRL to 12 team competition
ANDREW Johns and the NRL are on collision course after he outlined a radical plan to slash the competition to save it from itself.
Tyson Otto.

RUGBY league immortal Andrew Johns has made a radical call for the NRL to be reduced to a 12-team competition.

The Newcastle legend on Thursday night outlined his plan to rescue the game which called for a dramatic overhaul of the competition, an aggressive expansion into interstate markets and a radical shake-up of the number of teams in Sydney.

Johns’ bold declaration comes just two months after Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter Beattie declared the game is heading towards expanding into an 18-team competition in the next 10 years.

Speaking on Channel 9’s Immortal Behaviour, Johns suggested the game needs to slash four teams.

“I think we should go down to 12 teams, play each other twice, with semi-finals,” Johns said.

“You see some of the games now, and I don’t think there’s enough talent to go around,” he said.

“I think the ideal number is 12.”

He said the game needs to become a truly national competition — and believes the game must slash the number of teams in Sydney to accommodate the moves into non-traditional rugby league markets.

While not naming Perth or Adelaide, Johns did specifically list the game’s need for a second team in New Zealand, suggesting the Wellington market should host the next NRL team.

“The ideal thing would be we have a team at Western Sydney, an inner-city team, maybe one in Northern Sydney or the Central Coast and we have a team in Southern Sydney which would be St. George and Cronulla combined,” Johns said.

“I think we need another team in Queensland whether it be in Brisbane or it’s a team up near Rockhampton.

“We need another team in Queensland definitely.

“There’s too many teams in Sydney.”

It comes as Beattie also outlined plans to expand into new markets — but not at the expense of traditional clubs in Sydney.

“I hope in 10 years’ time we have 18 teams in the competition and are a much more national game,” Beattie told The Sunday Telegraph.

“We want as many women as men playing the game and free-to-air broadcast as well as Fox of the women’s competition.”

Rival State of Origin coaches Brad Fittler and Kevin Walters earlier this year also called for the NRL to get serious about plans to plant a new team in Perth.

The current NRL TV rights deal expires at the end of 2022, meaning it’s unlikely

any new teams will be added until 2023.

Fittler said it was up to the powers that be to decide the best way to launch a team in Perth — whether it be a relocation of an existing club or a new start-up.

“Rugby League has a small identity here, but it needs a bigger one,” Walters said.

“And the only way for that to happen is to get a team based out of here. It will have all of Australia covered then basically.

“We should push hard to try to get a team based out of the area here. Hopefully

in the next couple of years, that will be achieved.”
 

JokerEel

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So the furthest all the Sydney teams have to travel is to Wollongong (and only for half of the dragons games) and the rest are left to zip around the whole country??
Thats going to be fair come finals time and on the clubs travel expenses..

How many games do the Storm play at home now? It Evens it out..

Travel will have to be subsidized by the NRL, and like you said the NSW clubs won't require as much cash for travel so it can go to the other clubs..
 

JokerEel

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https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/a...n/news-story/b196bf40dc82623f979a93bf4cb5f69b

Andrew Johns reveals radical plan to slash NRL to 12 team competition
ANDREW Johns and the NRL are on collision course after he outlined a radical plan to slash the competition to save it from itself.
Tyson Otto.

RUGBY league immortal Andrew Johns has made a radical call for the NRL to be reduced to a 12-team competition.

The Newcastle legend on Thursday night outlined his plan to rescue the game which called for a dramatic overhaul of the competition, an aggressive expansion into interstate markets and a radical shake-up of the number of teams in Sydney.

Johns’ bold declaration comes just two months after Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter Beattie declared the game is heading towards expanding into an 18-team competition in the next 10 years.

Speaking on Channel 9’s Immortal Behaviour, Johns suggested the game needs to slash four teams.

“I think we should go down to 12 teams, play each other twice, with semi-finals,” Johns said.

“You see some of the games now, and I don’t think there’s enough talent to go around,” he said.

“I think the ideal number is 12.”

He said the game needs to become a truly national competition — and believes the game must slash the number of teams in Sydney to accommodate the moves into non-traditional rugby league markets.

While not naming Perth or Adelaide, Johns did specifically list the game’s need for a second team in New Zealand, suggesting the Wellington market should host the next NRL team.

“The ideal thing would be we have a team at Western Sydney, an inner-city team, maybe one in Northern Sydney or the Central Coast and we have a team in Southern Sydney which would be St. George and Cronulla combined,” Johns said.

“I think we need another team in Queensland whether it be in Brisbane or it’s a team up near Rockhampton.

“We need another team in Queensland definitely.

“There’s too many teams in Sydney.”

It comes as Beattie also outlined plans to expand into new markets — but not at the expense of traditional clubs in Sydney.

“I hope in 10 years’ time we have 18 teams in the competition and are a much more national game,” Beattie told The Sunday Telegraph.

“We want as many women as men playing the game and free-to-air broadcast as well as Fox of the women’s competition.”

Rival State of Origin coaches Brad Fittler and Kevin Walters earlier this year also called for the NRL to get serious about plans to plant a new team in Perth.

The current NRL TV rights deal expires at the end of 2022, meaning it’s unlikely

any new teams will be added until 2023.

Fittler said it was up to the powers that be to decide the best way to launch a team in Perth — whether it be a relocation of an existing club or a new start-up.

“Rugby League has a small identity here, but it needs a bigger one,” Walters said.

“And the only way for that to happen is to get a team based out of here. It will have all of Australia covered then basically.

“We should push hard to try to get a team based out of the area here. Hopefully

in the next couple of years, that will be achieved.”


Let's go back to Super league...

Even with 12 teams, their will be teams coming last and playing shit..
 

BuffaloRules

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Joey wants teams in Rockhampton, Wellington and the Central Coast as three of only 12 teams...

I think his decades of living the “party lifestyle” might he catching up with him..
 

greenBV4

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How many games do the Storm play at home now? It Evens it out..

Travel will have to be subsidized by the NRL, and like you said the NSW clubs won't require as much cash for travel so it can go to the other clubs..

It wouldn't be any different for teams like Melbourne, its more so the fact that the Sydney teams no longer have to travel at all

Someone else has said on this thread before that the Sydney teams will also become a bigger drawcard for players as it will mean less time away from home/families and less player fatigue from travelling

A conference system wont work in the NRL until there is a better balance in the location of teams and it can be split North/South or East/West etc.
 

The Great Dane

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I don't necessarily agree with Joeys reasoning, or his potential methodology, but I doubt that he even knows what trolling is, so I reckon that like me he is deadly serious...

BTW, crowd numbers in of themselves don't shed much light on the situation that a club is in and as such are a pretty useless measurement in of themselves...

I'm also not against the idea of dropping the Raiders out of the NRL in principle, why you'd do that now when most of the problems that rationalisation looks to fix are caused by over saturation in Sydeny I don't know, but I can envision futures where it no longer makes sense for them to be in the top tier either...
 

BuffaloRules

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There are going to be more than 4 million people living in Western Sydney by 2050.

To suggest this stronghold of the game have as many teams as Wellington or Rockhampton in either trolling or stupidity...
 

The Great Dane

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There are going to be more than 4 million people living in Western Sydney by 2050.

To suggest this stronghold of the game have as many teams as Wellington or Rockhampton in either trolling or stupidity...

That's not my opinion at all, so I guess I'm not trolling or stupid...
 

JokerEel

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It wouldn't be any different for teams like Melbourne, its more so the fact that the Sydney teams no longer have to travel at all

Someone else has said on this thread before that the Sydney teams will also become a bigger drawcard for players as it will mean less time away from home/families and less player fatigue from travelling

A conference system wont work in the NRL until there is a better balance in the location of teams and it can be split North/South or East/West etc.


It will be alot fairer as the Storm will play the Broncos twice home and away not just away.

The interstate teams will always have to travel that's just it.

Having the Sydney teams playing each other twice will increase crowds. At least the eels will get to play Penrith twice and we know it will happen every year.. only thing that changes is when the Eels would play the titans one year home one away..

It's a simple but effective solution.


BTW the Eels play/ed 19 games this season in Sydney..

With With a conference system they would play 20 then 21 huge differance (where is that lol emoji)...


I forgot how all the top players are at the Eels...
 
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jim_57

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"Only 8 teams will make the top 8 this year. Worse still 4 teams will make the bottom 4. Not enough talent, drop 4 teams."

Rugby League Logic
 

BuderusIsaBeast

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I guess a 12 team comp would look like
Sydney Roosters - North + east Sydney
South Sydney Rabbitohs - South Sydney
Parramatta Eels - West
Penrith Panthers - West
Newcastle Knights - Country NSW
Brisbane Broncos
Gold Coast Titans
North Queensland Cowboys
Melbourne Storm
Canberra Raiders
Western Australia
New Zealand Warriors

0 chance of ever having contraction. But interesting to think about what the teams would look like
 

Perth Red

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Correct .Example Super League.I rest my case.Repeating past failures .Rationalise relocate or turf teams,that'll show em.
Exactly what Napoleon and Hitler did ,in the Russian winter .

Haha Godwin’s law makes an appearance!
 

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