NRL Expansion. Ideas and opinions.

[Peet]

I'm ok with the Bears coming back in an expansion area, only if they do the ground work in the lead up though.

Central Coast Bears would be wonderful.

 

[Peet]

Problem with relocation is it is not strategic planning as it may never happen. Is perth supposed to hang around for ever more in the hope,someone goes belly up and there isn’t enough money in the kitty to save them one day?

Not to mention it’s highly unlikley the nrl will sit back and see a strategic club disappear eg Newcastle

Very true, but it's not only money that controls such a decision, but a strategy, ie Newcastle, Melbourne, etc for ever. Sydney clubs will always be in their eyes. But yes, Perth should have to wait around. It's all going to be very problematic.

 

[StadiumXIII]

IF the NRL have money to support (in this order); Fiji, Christchurch/NZ 2, Adelaide. Perth should be able to support themselves. Whether they be added to the NRL or second tier competition should be up to the NRL, Perth and Christchurch are musts for NRL teams in the short term - they have proven their support and Christhurch and NZ has a lot of RL history and with Origin coming to Perth it should show further proof they are ready but this must happen soon. Fiji need a NSW Cup team ASAP even if the NRL need to jump in and financially support them otherwise if we lose their best player to 7s we will have missed the boat, getting Adelaide into NSW Cup level is a must although they are the weakest of the bids having a team at that level will help raise the profile of the second tier competition, when Adelaide is ready they can step up to the NRL and I'm telling you they need a sport other than Australian rules and soccer.

 

[Diesel]

If the A-League can get 10 teams bidding for 2 positions, why can’t the NRL get off its arse?




FFA intends to grant licences for two new clubs to join the Hyundai A-League in the season after next, 2019-20. The ultimate aim of the process is to identify two bids with the strongest potential for establishing clubs with long-term sustainability while also growing the commercial attraction and popular support for the existing Hyundai A-League clubs and the League as a whole.

Fifteen formal submissions were received at the end of the initial Expressions of Interest (EOI) stage.

These have been analysed by FFA and its lead advisers Deloitte against the criteria contained in the EOI documents with additional information sought from all parties.

Following that analysis, the FFA Board resolved to invite the following parties to take part in the next, more detailed bid phase:

• South West Sydney FC
• United for Macarthur (Sydney)
• Southern Expansion (Sydney region)
• Team 11 (Melbourne)
• South Melbourne FC
• Western Melbourne Group
• Brisbane City FC
• Ipswich Pride FC
• Canberra & Capital Region
• Wollongong

https://www.a-league.com.au/news/te...next-stage-hyundai-a-league-expansion-process

 

[Diesel]

If the A-League can get 10 teams bidding for 2 positions, why can’t the NRL get off its arse?




FFA intends to grant licences for two new clubs to join the Hyundai A-League in the season after next, 2019-20. The ultimate aim of the process is to identify two bids with the strongest potential for establishing clubs with long-term sustainability while also growing the commercial attraction and popular support for the existing Hyundai A-League clubs and the League as a whole.

Fifteen formal submissions were received at the end of the initial Expressions of Interest (EOI) stage.

These have been analysed by FFA and its lead advisers Deloitte against the criteria contained in the EOI documents with additional information sought from all parties.

Following that analysis, the FFA Board resolved to invite the following parties to take part in the next, more detailed bid phase:

• South West Sydney FC
• United for Macarthur (Sydney)
• Southern Expansion (Sydney region)
• Team 11 (Melbourne)
• South Melbourne FC
• Western Melbourne Group
• Brisbane City FC
• Ipswich Pride FC
• Canberra & Capital Region
• Wollongong

https://www.a-league.com.au/news/te...next-stage-hyundai-a-league-expansion-process

I’m pretty sure Brisbane City told the FFA to stick it unless they were guaranteed payment in the first 3-5 years. Unless something has changed.

Brisbane City we’re going to build a 20k seater stadium at Perry Park in Newstead

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The quicker we get a airline sponsor the better.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...ydney-or-the-bush-divide-20180628-p4zob3.html

Interesting with regards to the travel costs.

 

[Perth Red]

$150k on dinners and the odd days training facility for 12 away games? Seems excessive? Surely most teams only travel day before and fly home same or next day?

But yeh an airline sponsor would make sense for the nrl

 

[Diesel]

The quicker we get a airline sponsor the better.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...ydney-or-the-bush-divide-20180628-p4zob3.html

Interesting with regards to the travel costs.

That’s crazy to think travels costs are to be incorporated into off-field salary/expenses by the non-Sydney teams to approximately $100k

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Is there a hotel chain that is situated in every Nrl location? Maybe a potential (preferred supplier) hotel sponsor for Nrl clubs. If the Nrl don’t have this they need to seriously look into it.

 

[Perth Red]

That’s crazy to think travels costs are to be incorporated into off-field salary/expenses by the non-Sydney teams to approximately $100k

Football cap is going to be about $4.7mill isn’t it? $100k differebnce, if really is that for most of the clubs In question is a tiny fraction difference in reality.

 

[FlameThrower]

Why is this taking so long. Get a Perth team in - easy fit for broadcast. Allow 3 years of salary cap exemptions. A second Brisbane team would be logical but may a long timeline to get traction with supporters. Next phase is South Pacific team and another NZ team.

 

[Diesel]

Football cap is going to be about $4.7mill isn’t it? $100k differebnce, if really is that for most of the clubs In question is a tiny fraction difference in reality.

A Perth team will have higher off-field costs than the Warriors, Cowboys or Storm.

 

[Perth Red]

A Perth team will have higher off-field costs than the Warriors, Cowboys or Storm.

Minimally, an extra nights hotel stay and a dinner. Nrl cover flights and one nights accomodation so we are really only talking about accomodation night of the game, dinner that night and breakfast before flying home next day. there may be a case for a very tiny increase to off field cap but shouldn’t need to be that much.

 

[Travitoh]

I understand that there is a demand for rugby league in pacific areas but if the NRL are to actually be serious about being a national competition Perth, Brisbane 2 and Adelaide should be the priorities.

The game is so east coast dominant at the moment yet puts up competitive national tv numbers against the AFL. There is so much potential in RL but it seems nobody wants to tap into it.
Give Adelaide and Perth a reason to watch at least one game of RL a weekend and open up the possibility of having more Australians watch RL.

I don't doubt Fiji and NZ2 as future clubs but from a tv perspective, they'll introduce minimal to no new RL viewers on tv, only another game to show imo. Most Australians who watch those games will already be RL fans with very little new interest being sparked in Australia.

It's time the NRL lived up to the 'N' in it's name.

 

[Tigers1986]

Adelaide is not a league city and the Rams was a colossal failure of a venture.

Perth is a must, as is a 2nd NZ team for the kiwis who dislike Auckland and want their own franchise to get behind, as well as adding some rivalry to the Warriors.

 

[The Great Dane]

Adelaide is not a league city and the Rams was a colossal failure of a venture.

Perth is a must, as is a 2nd NZ team for the kiwis who dislike Auckland and want their own franchise to get behind, as well as adding some rivalry to the Warriors.

LOL, somebody needs to read up on the history of the Rams!

They averaged 15,330 a game in 97, in 97 Balmain averaged 10,355 and Wests averaged 8,602, so no matter which half of the merger you supported back then the Rams were a bigger draw. Naturally their average attendance dropped in 98 down to 7,682, but basically every team at the times crowds dropped, especially the clubs like Adelaide who were tipped in the media to lose their license, add to that that their team was absolute dog shit as well and are you really surprised (BTW they still averaged more than the Magpies at 7,301, though Balmain where one of the few clubs to see a tiny increase to 10,576).

When they were wrapped up Adelaide had money in the bank and the foundations of a club that could have potentially grown into a strong club over time especially if they were nurtured.

So no they weren't a failure they were murdered!
First they were kneecapped by News who pulled their funding and reinvested it into Brisbane and Melbourne (as they did with all the SL clubs bar the Broncos and the Storm), then the killing blow was delivered by the NRL who decided to sacrifice them to save "loyal" clubs, despite the fact they had a better business plan and were in a better position then most of if not all of those loyal clubs, and cause there was no established fan-base to protest when it happen they were allowed to just slip away...

 

[Stallion]

LOL, somebody needs to read up on the history of the Rams!

They averaged 15,330 a game in 97, in 97 Balmain averaged 10,355 and Wests averaged 8,602, so no matter which half of the merger you supported back then the Rams were a bigger draw. Naturally their average attendance dropped in 98 down to 7,682, but basically every team at the times crowds dropped, especially the clubs like Adelaide who were tipped in the media to lose their license, add to that that their team was absolute dog shit as well and are you really surprised (BTW they still averaged more than the Magpies at 7,301, though Balmain where one of the few clubs to see a tiny increase to 10,576).

When they were wrapped up Adelaide had money in the bank and the foundations of a club that could have potentially grown into a strong club over time especially if they were nurtured.

So no they weren't a failure they were murdered!
First they were kneecapped by News who pulled their funding and reinvested it into Brisbane and Melbourne (as they did with all the SL clubs bar the Broncos and the Storm), then the killing blow was delivered by the NRL who decided to sacrifice them to save "loyal" clubs, despite the fact they had a better business plan and were in a better position then most of if not all of those loyal clubs, and cause there was no established fan-base to protest when it happen they were allowed to just slip away...

An incorrect "peace" agreement targeting 14 clubs was the major failing. Had the league held strong at 20 teams the rugby league landscape today would have been so much better. The code fights on!

 

[Perth Red]

Should have been 18 with
Perth
Melbourne
Adelaide
Auckland
Canberra
GC
NQ
Brisbane
SQ
Newcastle
Gosford
Wollongong

Then 6 biggest Sydney clubs/mergers

Would have set rl up in this country for. decades to come. Instead it is likely to take us 50 years to get back to where we could have been in 1998.nobody ever could accuse RL of being visionary in its decision making!

 

[Stallion]

Should have been 18 with
Perth
Melbourne
Adelaide
Auckland
Canberra
GC
NQ
Brisbane
SQ
Newcastle
Gosford
Wollongong

Then 6 biggest Sydney clubs/mergers

Would have set rl up in this country for. decades to come. Instead it is likely to take us 50 years to get back to where we could have been in 1998.nobody ever could accuse RL of being visionary in its decision making!

I agree with your individual status for Wollongong/Illawarra and Gosford/Central Coast. The carving up of the Sydney clubs is not necessary as these clubs were and are crucial for cultural and establishment reasons. You lose why the competition is attractive: you lose the established credibility of this envied and popular competition. So the number 18 is still too low. Even 20 to 22 clubs would have been wise. The "not enough talent" argument is spurious as juniors increase as more clubs exist. The pie gets bigger and tastier! Now we have mixmatched merger clubs, fan resentment and other codes gaining the spoils of the reckless number crunching from that disastrous agreement made in 1997 that pandered to News Ltd's aims and dismembered the most envied and attractive RL competition on Earth.

 

[The Great Dane]

Should have been 18 with
Perth
Melbourne
Adelaide
Auckland
Canberra
GC
NQ
Brisbane
SQ
Newcastle
Gosford
Wollongong

Then 6 biggest Sydney clubs/mergers

Would have set rl up in this country for. decades to come. Instead it is likely to take us 50 years to get back to where we could have been in 1998.nobody ever could accuse RL of being visionary in its decision making!

To be fair Auckland, Perth, South Queensland, and Illawarra were all f**ked, they were all basically flat broke and without massive investment (that honestly the NRL couldn't afford at the time and News wasn't willing to part with) they all would have folded anyway.

NZ got lucky cause after Auckland folded Eric Watson came in with bags of money and successfully negotiated with the NRL to start a new club in NZ, but with the exception of South Queensland (though there are other reasons why they were screwed) the chances of that happening for any of the other clubs, let alone of all of them, is slim to none.

So yeah realistically the NRL got very, very lucky with the Warriors, and Perth, South Queensland, and Illawarra were done and dusted...