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NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

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AFRWeekend article

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Problems with the NRL funding deal go back to a deal John Grant struck with Bart Campbell in December 2015. Kate Geraghty
by John Stensholt


The trouble for rugby league, Australian Rugby League Commission chairman John Grant and the governing body's toxic relationship with the 16 NRL clubs, can all be traced back to a fateful announcement in the first week of December last year.

Back then, in what Grant termed an "emotionally charged environment", management agreed to to fund each club to the tune of 130 per cent of their total player payments from 2018 onwards.

It was a landmark deal. But while a heads of agreement was signed, and the deal loudly trumpeted at the time as saving the clubs' financial bacon forever more, negotiations over terms dragged on for the best part of 12 months before Grant and the commission pulled the deal from the table on November 23.


Since then, all hell has broken loose as Melbourne Storm chairman Bart Campbell, who struck deal original deal, has led the charge to dump Grant.


But the simple fact is that the original agreement was dumb, extremely unaffordable for the NRL and one of the biggest strategic mistakes made in the almost five-year history of the independent commission now running that game.

It is also one, with the clubs calling for Grant's scalp, that threatens to come back to bite them. But it is also one rugby league's management desperately need to extract themselves from. Even if it is entirely their own fault for agreeing to it in the first place.

There are two main problems for the NRL.

The first is that its balance sheet is already stretched. This is because it wants to invest in shoring up its base of grassroots players and participation; and it needs to invest up to $100 million over five years in its digital business when it takes over the online running of the game from Telstra about this time next year. That comes after pouring a good $30 million in propping up four clubs, failing to sell the Newcastle Knights this year and the accusation from many clubs and commentators that running head office is costing too much anyway.


Aligning interests
The second is that in agreeing to the 130 per cent deal it aligned the players' interests – a new collective bargaining agreement needs to be signed next year – with the clubs. That is a dangerous combination for a governing body.

In 2015, the NRL made an $18 million loss. It is likely to post another loss this year and there is a real possibility it will post another negative result in 2017. It is a far cry from 2013, when it announced a $50 million profit and was flush with funds after negotiating a record $1 billion broadcast deal in 2012. The league has a sustainability fund that was worth about $52 million in October 2015, but there are concerns it may have been raided in the past 12 months to shore up the league's finances.

The 130 per cent funding deal agreement last December came at a time when then NRL chief executive Dave Smith had walked away from the game or fallen on his sword – depending on the version of the controversial TV rights negotiations that infuriated Rupert Murdoch that you believe – and Grant had headed off a previous move by the clubs on his position.


NRL clubs, upset at the way TV talks had initially moved (the NRL eventually clinched a $1.8 billion five-year deal with Nine Entertainment Co and Fox Sports), had threatened Grant's position as he moved to become interim CEO. The 130 per cent claim was struck and peace was set to reign.

But of course it couldn't, because the deal was simply unaffordable.

The AFL, the richest sports code in the country, has never offered to pay its clubs more than the 100 per cent of total player payments. Modelling it did a few years ago suggested that every 1 per cent increase promised to the clubs would cost the AFL $12-18 million annually. Ratchet up the percentage above 100 per cent and multiply it by a five- or six-year term of a TV deal and the money going to the clubs is enormous.

Wisely from a strategic and financial point of view, the AFL has a "disequalised" funding model. That means "poorer" clubs get more funding than the wealthy ones. That helps prop them up, and usually keeps them onside with head office. The NRL struck a deal to fund all its clubs the same amount, meaning all 16 clubs' interests were completely aligned.


Player payments
Then there is the question of what the NRL players stand to be paid. Agreeing to pay the clubs a set amount far exceeding the total player payments meant the clubs' interest, getting more money from the NRL, was completely aligned with the players' interest of getting higher salaries.

Suddenly instead of having the clubs on its side in CBA negotiations the NRL will have the clubs siding with the players or not worrying what player salaries and the total payment package gets set at. It doesn't matter to the clubs, they were set to get 130 per cent of player wages no matter what.

They could tell the players they were happy to pay them more, safe in the knowledge the NRL was going to pay them that 130 per cent. (The AFL, meanwhile, also has a CBA negotiation to do but has not promised any big specific funding packages to clubs – or the players.)


The NRL is now wisely backing away from the 130 per cent deal at rapid rate. But that doesn't excuse the governing body from the ham-fisted way it dealt with the matter in the first place. It signed a heads of agreement with the clubs, so it is understandable they are angry at the league and want Grant's scalp – a move they see as the only one they have as a protest at the NRL's mismanagement.

While in the short term there is the move to ditch Grant to deal with, the longer-term game is for the NRL and the 16 clubs to thrash out a deal. It has to be done.

It will be tough, but should not be impossible. Then both parties could get on with the task of bringing in revenue to the game, not just relying on the big bucks of a TV deal to save the day every five years. That truly would be a win-win situation



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Nice article. The deal needs to be you get 100% not 130% but you also get John Grant's head on a plater.
 

siv

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I guess what is the logic behind the AFL giving a club in Melbourne a higher grant than another Melbourne club ?

A AFL club getting $8.6 mil is on par with RL today

In fact in 2018 an NRL club with start surpassing this

But to give a club a extra $12 mil seems excessive
 

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A couple of things on that article,..

NRL clubs are never going to agree to a funding system where poor clubs getting more money than rich clubs... What other sporting competiton other than the Victorians agree to that?

Grant needs to go... Greenberg gets another 12 months...

There needs to be transparency around how $50 mil surpluses of a couple of years ago are being turned into $20 mil losses... Maybe things like spending gazillions on the bunker should have waited... People whinge about the clubs pissing money up the wall, but never mention this waste..

Grants successor needs to explain the benefits of the media/ digital policy... $100 mil is a big spend...
 

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$100M on a digital presence just seems like lining the pockets of some IT companies.

There needs to be some serious interrogation of this, corporate Australia has a bad history with being ripped off on these sort of things.
 

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Maybe things like spending gazillions on the bunker should have waited... People whinge about the clubs pissing money up the wall, but never mention this waste..

That was a rookie mistake by the NRL. RL people will never stop blaming the refereeing or claiming it is at some sort of crisis point were it gets worse every year. You bring technology into it and the examination of what happened just gets more detailed but just as "controversial".
 
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A couple of things on that article,..


There needs to be transparency around how $50 mil surpluses of a couple of years ago are being turned into $20 mil losses... Maybe things like spending gazillions on the bunker should have waited... People whinge about the clubs pissing money up the wall, but never mention this waste..

Grants successor needs to explain the benefits of the media/ digital policy... $100 mil is a big spend...

Basically all sports that sign multi year tv deals.. have a profit figure each year that swings wildly..

Year 1 usually a huge profit, then year 5 a large loss..

You need to judge the profit of the nrl over the 5 years of the contract..
 

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...n/news-story/2fb4eaa3b67d7d5318f01ee4c7b4b469

John Quayle can save NRL from civil war, says legendary rugby league administrator Ken Arthurson
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Paul Crawley, The Daily Telegraph
December 4, 2016 5:46pm

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LEGENDARY rugby league administrator Ken Arthurson has backed the growing push to have John Quayle take over from John Grant as chairman of the ARL Commission.

Together Arthurson and Quayle were in charge of the ARL when the Super League War broke out in 1995.

With the game now on the brink of another civil war, Arthurson has told The Daily Telegraph Quayle’s experience and honour would make him the perfect man to deliver peace again.

“If it was up to me there would be no question. I would certainly be supporting John Quayle,” Arthurson said.

“I said from the word go, when the Commission was first established, they were crazy if they didn’t put John Quayle on it.

“I couldn’t speak too highly of John Quayle.

“Apart from the fact that I regard him as a very, very good administrator and a man who has a terrific knowledge of the game of rugby league, his loyalty to me during the time he was chief executive and I was chairman was just outstanding.”

NRL clubs have the numbers to remove Grant under the current constitution and he is expected to be axed before Christmas.

While Grant is digging his heels in to stay, Arthurson said he could understand the clubs’ disappointment and anger after the Commission reneged on the funding agreement to provide 130 per cent of the salary cap from 2018.

“To be a good witness, I don’t know too much about John Grant or his administrator abilities,” Arthurson said.

“But I do know this, you are looking for trouble if you make a promise and then break it.

“Particularly one that is affecting the clubs so much.

“Some of the administrators ring me up and generally the information I get from those blokes is that they all want to get rid of John Grant.

“They tell me they have the numbers.

“I don’t know if they have or not but that is what I have been told.

“I worked with John Quayle for a lot of years and I will tell you this about Quayle; once you point him in the right direction, by Jesus he is like a terrier.

“He just keeps going.

“I couldn’t think of anyone more suitable.”

Arthurson said it was also time for the NRL to show more respect to the grassroots and tireless workers in country regions.

“I was very disappointed that they wiped the City-Country game,” Arthurson said.

“They say the game doesn’t mean much but Jesus it does mean a lot to country people.

“Some of those poor bloody blokes in the country are working all for nothing. They are painting lines and mowing lawns and getting food prepared and helping to raise money to get gear for players and kids.

“Surely they are entitled to a little bit back.”
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...d-grassroots-funding-row-20161202-gt32j6.html

Country Rugby League boss Terry Quinn hails increased registrations amid grassroots funding row

An apparent player drain at the heart of the Australian Rugby League Commission's club funding backflip hasn't been replicated in the bush in soon-to-be released participant figures which show registered footballers in regional areas grew in 2016.

Country Rugby League officials in the state have counted more than 55,000 registered players involved in the sport outside of metropolitan areas in NSW this year - an increase on the 53,778 they chalked up in 2015.

John Grant insists his position hasn't become untenable and is confident he will remain the ARLC Chairman into 2017.

The steady growth can largely be contributed to the explosion in popularity of women's league tag outside of Sydney, but still paints a healthy picture of the game in the country areas.

ARLC boss John Grant, who is struggling to survive a plot from furious NRL club bosses to dump him from rugby league's top administrative role, has been at pains to point out a renewed focus needs to be made on grassroots rugby league..

Grant and the ARLC pulled a Memorandum of Understanding from the table which pledged an extra $100 million per year to clubs from 2018 and cited dwindling interest in tackle rugby league as part of the reason.

But while the metropolitan basins might be struggling to ward off a threat from a myriad of other sports, the overall numbers aren't reflected in the game's heartland.

"We've been growing one to two per cent each year and it seems the problem might be in the metro areas," Country Rugby League boss Terry Quinn said. "The numbers aren't compromised [in regional areas].

"Some towns are struggling there's no doubt about that, but what happens when a team or a club closes down a lot of the time the players will still play somewhere else. People mainly focus on the top end of the game, but our junior numbers have been very, very strong. Our senior numbers have remained consistent.

"The ladies league tag has risen by about 60 per cent and we're up to about 7000 or 8000 participants in the last year and they actually align with a club and are part of one. That's been a godsend for some clubs as far as finding rewards from gate taking, canteen and bring other people into the game."

Queensland Rugby League also trumpeted a year-on-year increase in its registered levels in the NRL's annual report in 2015 while the NSW Rugby League recorded a slight drop.

The two state-based associations have been at odds over Grant's position after a five-year tenure as ARLC chairman. The NSWRL has aligned with 14 clubs who have moved to axe Grant while the QRL argue the veteran administrator's removal would do nothing to end the funding row.

The CRL have been interested onlookers given the constant requests for more funding to be pumped into the NRL's best nursery.

"I can understand both sides of the argument ... I can understand where the clubs are coming from and at this stage I've got splinters in my arse from sitting on the fence," Quinn joked. "We need funding for what we do in the bush and our business is growing junior footy and we supply the majority of players at the top end."

The CRL will lobby for up to three NRL games to be played in the bush each year from 2018 after the scrapping of the annual City-Country clash following the Mudgee fixture in May.
 
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Arthurson said it was also time for the NRL to show more respect to the grassroots and tireless workers in country regions.

“I was very disappointed that they wiped the City-Country game,” Arthurson said.

“They say the game doesn’t mean much but Jesus it does mean a lot to country people.

“Some of those poor bloody blokes in the country are working all for nothing. They are painting lines and mowing lawns and getting food prepared and helping to raise money to get gear for players and kids.

“Surely they are entitled to a little bit back.”
What a legend. Never mind getting Quayle back, get he and Arko back.

A rugby league man who actually cares about country people! Not just cares but actually shows respect. We certainly don't see that anymore.
 

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Centres of excellence are a total waste of money and don't add a single thing to the game.
The clubs are talking centre of excellence in order to keep up with other clubs - better idea is just ban them. They are where the wastage happens.
The way you ban them is to say you have a $5mill (or whatever) cap on your football club expenditure.

I think your being short sighted. Yes they cost money to begin with but not only do they deliver better facilities but they take the game into the 21st century and allow our game to mix it with any professional sporting code in the world.

Our clubs need center of excellences to keep up with the Joneses in our game as well as the poaching Smiths from other codes.
 

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Centres of excellence are a total waste of money and don't add a single thing to the game.
The clubs are talking centre of excellence in order to keep up with other clubs - better idea is just ban them. They are where the wastage happens.
The way you ban them is to say you have a $5mill (or whatever) cap on your football club expenditure.
What if they built them in quarters?
 

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People criticise the clubs and now Gould, but can can someone answer the main point he raised...

If the clubs get $208mil per year or $13mil each, then why can't the NRL develop the game and run itself on the reaining $275- $300mil per year?

And once again... The current NRL administration is just as against expanding the NRL at the top level as the clubs are... There are no current plans in the wings, and both Grant and Grrenburg have said they don't support it..

Your attacks on the Nrl are becoming too obvious now. Clubs and even more so the Nrl have said they want to expand but want the clubs profitable before they do. And that's fair enough. If you take it as they dont want to expand well your a d$&khead. Simples
 
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Worries the hell out of me when a club GM says this...

" you could lock to door at NRL Hq and the clubs would make it happen"

What worries me is that you actually believe that. You actually think that would be true? You could close the door of nearly any Sydney club and expand to Perth and not miss a beat.
 

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Those things didn't just happen, they are happening because they are prepared to spend more on AFL administration. They have smarter CEOs that get paid a lot more and were prepared to stand up to the clubs years ago (the clubs themselves are a lot smarter) and explain to them why expansion and growth is good for everyone.
We need better talent at the top and thus more admin costs to try to bridge the gap the AFL have opened up. Instead the clubs want us spending less on admin so that brainiacs like Gould, Doust, Steve Sharp and Tinkler can run the game.

I agree. The clubs are worrying too much about the next person rather than their balance sheet. They want a say, every which way because they are using the old "I know best, I've been here for years. I'll tell you what you need to do. What do you know" type attitude. Instead of trying to work with the powers to be like the Afl clubs generally do.
 

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https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...-funding-battle-with-afl-20160915-grhf6q.html

AFL 2016: Wealthiest clubs in funding battle with AFL

September 15 2016


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The four wealthiest teams in the AFL are in a new battle with the competition over club funding after learning they will receive no additional money from the new $2.5 billion broadcast rights agreement.

Collingwood, Hawthorn, West Coast and Fremantle have all made individual presentations to league chief Gillon McLachlan to voice disappointment with the game's new investment model that they claim has over-corrected in the equalisation push.

As the AFL intensifies efforts to close the gap between rich and poor clubs, the game's wealthiest franchises have learned they will each receive an estimated $8.6 million next year, which in real terms means they will receive no lift from the richest sport media deal in Australian history. The poorer clubs, led by 2016 preliminary finalist Greater Western Sydney, are expected to receive more than $20 million at the bottom of a sliding scale that has been presented to the AFL Commission.

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Not happy: Dockers CEO Steve Rosich. Photo: Getty Images
Gold Coast, Brisbane and St Kilda make up the bottom four and biggest welfare recipients.

Fremantle chief Steve Rosich confirmed the Dockers had voiced disenchantment in a presentation to the AFL. He told Fairfax Media: "We have concerns going forward with the AFL's investment model." He added: "We are very pleased to be paying our way and will record our ninth consecutive profit this year."

While Hawthorn CEO Stuart Fox was the most vocal in challenging the AFL's new model at the most recent meeting of the 18 clubs, Collingwood is understood to be fighting for the biggest funding boost pushing the league for close to an extra $1 million annually from the new TV deal.

The successful clubs have argued their popularity and/or success has significantly grown the game and their strong on-field performances should have seen some financial uplift from the AFL. Fox received some support from West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett at the CEOs talks and the Hawks and the Eagles remain confident the AFL has taken their protests on board.

The wealthy clubs' disappointment comes as it has emerged only a handful of clubs will record genuine profits this year with 13 to lose money in real terms or at best struggle to break even.

Richmond, after recording profits for a decade, are expected to record a small loss off the back of a disappointing season, with Port Adelaide's dismal season seeing that club record a loss despite significant AFL funding. While Carlton has improved its bottom line the club will still record a loss in the high six figures and Sydney hopes to break even with only a grand final appearance expected to place the Swans in the black.

Melbourne, the Bulldogs and North will all record profits but remain heavily reliant on AFL additional funding. The only clubs who will record profits in real terms are Hawthorn, West Coast, Fremantle, Collingwood and Adelaide.

Collingwood's bottom line has fallen significantly this season after the club's falling attendance numbers and million-dollar investment in the new Magpies netball team and women's football team. Having recorded an operating profit of close to $900,000 in 2015 that number has more than halved in 2016.

We have concerns going forward with the AFL's investment model.

Fremantle chief Steve Rosich
Although the AFL's chief financial officer Ray Gunston has stripped the contentious wealth tax from its new investment model the wealthiest four clubs claim they are still being taxed but in another form.

Although the AFL and the AFL Players Association remain locked in dispute over the players' new wage deal from 2017 the league has promised it will fund 100 per cent of the players' pay rise along with any increase in their marketing allowance.

The AFL has also refused a request from a number of wealthier clubs, including Hawthorn, to lift the soft cap on football department spending. The Hawks have complained their football wages bill will be placed under pressure with the AFL refusing to even lift the cap in accordance with inflation.

The poorer clubs will also receive additional funding to boost their football department spending.


But the afl clubs are smarter, they won't get into arguements over funding because they can see the growth in the game. Except many of the big clubs are argueing either the afl right now over it

Afl isn't so dumb as to give the clubs so much when they can spend on growth and grassroots. Except it 100% guarantees the salary of players and some clubs recieve grants that are 200% of the salary cap.

Afl wouldn't be so stupid to keep dying teams in crowded areas, like the nrl does with so many teams in Sydney. Except the western bulldogs are one of those teams currently recieving $20m a year in grants (200% of their salary cap) and the roos and demons getting huge handouts as well.

The poorer afl clubs are getting additional funding to boost their football departments.

Imaging the Nrl telling the Broncs, Parra, Penrith, Bulldogs etc that they aren't receiving an upgrade to the grants this tv deal because their leagues clubs are to profitable. Both Greenberg and Grant would need the secret service and even then that probably wouldn't save them
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...d-grassroots-funding-row-20161202-gt32j6.html

Country Rugby League boss Terry Quinn hails increased registrations amid grassroots funding row

An apparent player drain at the heart of the Australian Rugby League Commission's club funding backflip hasn't been replicated in the bush in soon-to-be released participant figures which show registered footballers in regional areas grew in 2016.

Country Rugby League officials in the state have counted more than 55,000 registered players involved in the sport outside of metropolitan areas in NSW this year - an increase on the 53,778 they chalked up in 2015.

John Grant insists his position hasn't become untenable and is confident he will remain the ARLC Chairman into 2017.

The steady growth can largely be contributed to the explosion in popularity of women's league tag outside of Sydney, but still paints a healthy picture of the game in the country areas.

ARLC boss John Grant, who is struggling to survive a plot from furious NRL club bosses to dump him from rugby league's top administrative role, has been at pains to point out a renewed focus needs to be made on grassroots rugby league..

Grant and the ARLC pulled a Memorandum of Understanding from the table which pledged an extra $100 million per year to clubs from 2018 and cited dwindling interest in tackle rugby league as part of the reason.

But while the metropolitan basins might be struggling to ward off a threat from a myriad of other sports, the overall numbers aren't reflected in the game's heartland.

"We've been growing one to two per cent each year and it seems the problem might be in the metro areas," Country Rugby League boss Terry Quinn said. "The numbers aren't compromised [in regional areas].

"Some towns are struggling there's no doubt about that, but what happens when a team or a club closes down a lot of the time the players will still play somewhere else. People mainly focus on the top end of the game, but our junior numbers have been very, very strong. Our senior numbers have remained consistent.

"The ladies league tag has risen by about 60 per cent and we're up to about 7000 or 8000 participants in the last year and they actually align with a club and are part of one. That's been a godsend for some clubs as far as finding rewards from gate taking, canteen and bring other people into the game."

Queensland Rugby League also trumpeted a year-on-year increase in its registered levels in the NRL's annual report in 2015 while the NSW Rugby League recorded a slight drop.

The two state-based associations have been at odds over Grant's position after a five-year tenure as ARLC chairman. The NSWRL has aligned with 14 clubs who have moved to axe Grant while the QRL argue the veteran administrator's removal would do nothing to end the funding row.

The CRL have been interested onlookers given the constant requests for more funding to be pumped into the NRL's best nursery.

"I can understand both sides of the argument ... I can understand where the clubs are coming from and at this stage I've got splinters in my arse from sitting on the fence," Quinn joked. "We need funding for what we do in the bush and our business is growing junior footy and we supply the majority of players at the top end."

The CRL will lobby for up to three NRL games to be played in the bush each year from 2018 after the scrapping of the annual City-Country clash following the Mudgee fixture in May.

Remember how - who was it?? haha - east coast tiger argued black and blue with me, ect. And then I made a defining point - as if to say what does it matter?... he flipped out.

The changes are adequate.
 

Stormwarrior82

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A couple of things on that article,..

NRL clubs are never going to agree to a funding system where poor clubs getting more money than rich clubs... What other sporting competiton other than the Victorians agree to that?

Grant needs to go... Greenberg gets another 12 months...

There needs to be transparency around how $50 mil surpluses of a couple of years ago are being turned into $20 mil losses... Maybe things like spending gazillions on the bunker should have waited... People whinge about the clubs pissing money up the wall, but never mention this waste..

Grants successor needs to explain the benefits of the media/ digital policy... $100 mil is a big spend...

Of course the clubs wouldn't. It would be the quickest way to bridge the gap between the rich and poor. Too many self-serving clubs.

There is transperancy it's called annual report. From 2012-2015 the clubs grants went from $80 mil to $160mil ...... doubled and still crying poor. Oh by the way the revenue didn't double so clubs got more than there fair share.

Yes $100 mil is a big spend hopefully the next person knows what to do with it.
 

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