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NRL may Veteo Bulldogs sponsorship

gong_eagle

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/...1239223049611.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

Bulldogs' sponsorship argument set to fall on deaf ears

Glenn Jackson | April 11, 2009

THE Bulldogs will enter desperate talks to salvage a $2 million sponsorship deal armed with a plea to the NRL to be lenient in the "toughest of economic times" - but their contention that Manly had links to the same company just two years ago is unlikely to force the game's officials into a rethink.
While admitting they erred in not disclosing the deal with the Strathfield Group to the NRL before announcing it on Thursday, Bulldogs officials remain hopeful they won't have to scrap it completely and are likely to commence formal talks today in the hope of parading the sponsor's logo on the front of their jerseys for Monday night's clash with South Sydney. "We're currently in talks to determine what can be done," Greenberg said.
"We're hopeful a workable solution can be made to ensure such a significant sponsorship remains in rugby league. We hope the NRL and Telstra can see merit in these discussions. We're hopeful we can get in front of Telstra and the NRL and show them how important it is. We're not resigned to it being over. I don't know if we can resolve it in time for Monday night's game but we'll be doing everything possible to see if we can gain some support for what we can do."
On Thursday, the NRL advised the club they may have to abandon the deal with lucrative major partner, because officials believed it to be a direct competitor of the premiership sponsor, just hours after Greenberg and fullback Luke Patten announced it.
The decision came days after the NRL formally stripped the Bulldogs of two points for fielding 14 players in their round-two match against Penrith.
The NRL's director of commercial and marketing manager, Paul Kind, said he was hopeful talks could be scheduled between now and Monday, but stipulated that "in the short term, on the knowledge we have, we are rejecting the sponsorship".
He said the NRL had an "obligation to protect Telstra", which commits almost $12 million a season to the game, adding every club received a payment each season because of the exclusivity arrangement with the telecommunications giant.
"Our position remains the same - currently we consider Strathfield a competitor to Telstra," Kind said. "The Telstra deal is of such a scale that it deserves to be protected."
The Bulldogs will argue telecommunications represents less than a 15 per cent stake in Strathfield, which has undergone significant restructuring after being placed into liquidation last year.

But Kind said all information he had on the company, after only being informed of the arrangement on Thursday lunchtime, was from the company website. On it, the company lists mobile phones as one of three products and states it is a premium dealer with Telstra's major competitor, Optus.
But the NRL's bullishness provoked an angry reaction from the Strathfield Group's chairman, Vaz Hovanessian, who accused officials and the telco of being "unacceptable, uncompetitive, un-Australian, and kicking someone when they're down".
He also accused the NRL of hypocrisy because of the game's relationship with Harvey Norman and the Warriors' deal with Vodafone.
Kind said the landscape changed in 2006, when Telstra upped its financial input significantly and asked for more protection from competitors. Pre-existing deals, like Manly's, were allowed to continue, while the Warriors' arrangement with Vodafone pre-dates the NRL's Telstra links.
Manly boss Grant Mayer admitted NRL officials were "concerned" about Manly's back-of-jersey deal with Strathfield, in 2006/07, worth about $160,000 a season for the club.
Still, Hovanessian said: "I can't understand Telstra's behaviour. I'm very disappointed. We're just a small firm. Our name is Strathfield, not Vodafone or Optus, yet they're picking on us.
"This is unbelievable, and I think it will impact negatively on Telstra and the NRL. The Bulldogs have turned a corner - why kick them? Extend a hand and lift them up."

 

Timmah

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:sleeper: The NRL or Telstra blocking any sponsorship, particularly one that is not a direct competitor despite Kind's assertion, is utterly ridiculous, particularly in this economic climate.
 

Garts

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I can not believe they are blocking this. I could understand if it was Optus but this is not even close. If the dogs can not land another major sponsor this season as a result the NRL should compensate them. Fat chance that would happen though.
 

Flapper

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I hope they take legal action, that might scare those imbeciles at HQ straight and realise what an idiotic decision this is.
 

Nemesis

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As unfair as it may seem, the Bulldogs have put the NRL in this awkward position with Telstra by not disclosing their sponsorship negototiations with Strathfield to the NRL before announcing the deal (as they are required to do).

The Bulldogs have a history of flouting the NRL's rules and once again it's blown up in their face. What do you expect the NRL to do when they've been threatened with legal action by their major sponsor because of the Bulldogs stupidity?
 

JT_

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That is just ludicrous.

It really doesn't suprise me that they are doing this, Telstra in my eyes are a joke and have no morals whatsoever. Wtf the Bulldogs won't be having any Optus logos flashing around and barely anyone knows Optus are Strathfield's clients ffs.

Just at a time when clubs are in desperate need of financial backing given the economic climate, seriously, what a joke this is.
 

gong_eagle

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wonder how many extra clauses that the NRL have to adhere too with this piss weak sponsor that telstra is
 

Timmah

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As unfair as it may seem, the Bulldogs have put the NRL in this awkward position with Telstra by not disclosing their sponsorship negototiations with Strathfield to the NRL before announcing the deal (as they are required to do).

The Bulldogs have a history of flouting the NRL's rules and once again it's blown up in their face. What do you expect the NRL to do when they've been threatened with legal action by their major sponsor because of the Bulldogs stupidity?

Um, Telstra were the first ones to send legal letters, imbo.
 

Nemesis

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That is just ludicrous.

It really doesn't suprise me that they are doing this, Telstra in my eyes are a joke and have no morals whatsoever. Wtf the Bulldogs won't be having any Optus logos flashing around and barely anyone knows Optus are Strathfield's clients ffs.

Just at a time when clubs are in desperate need of financial backing given the economic climate, seriously, what a joke this is.
Contracts are contracts and Telstra have a $90M sponsorship contract (which contains exclusivity clauses) with the NRL. You can't just gleefully sign a $90M deal to accept Telstra's money, then complain about it when it doesn't suit you. As much as it irkes me saying it, without Telstra, there would be no NRL.
 

Timmah

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Um, this?
Nemesis said:
What do you expect the NRL to do when they've been threatened with legal action by their major sponsor because of the Bulldogs stupidity?
Telstra sent legal letters to the Bulldogs, not the NRL, and want to move against the Bulldogs, not the NRL. The NRL are agreeing with everything that Telstra want.

In this economic environment, this sort of blocking of sponsorship is PETTY and stupid.
 

scottyeel

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Contracts are contracts and Telstra have a $90M sponsorship contract (which contains exclusivity clauses) with the NRL. You can't just gleefully sign a $90M deal to accept Telstra's money, then complain about it when it doesn't suit you. As much as it irkes me saying it, without Telstra, there would be no NRL.
That's right.
Who gives a f**k about the dogs pissy little sponsorship when that much money is at stake.
 

Timmah

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How exactly does the Bulldogs signing a deal with Strathfield "put Telstra's money at stake"...?

I've asked it before and the naysayers have continually ignored it - does ANYONE genuinely believe that Strathfield's sale of mobile phones (a maximum of 15% of their total revenue, according to the chairman) will actually impact Telstra's bottom line?

The way Telstra are currently behaving is as if we've gone out and become the Optus Bulldogs, and this simply isn't the case.
 

bobmar28

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Unbelievable decision by the NRL. Honestly, unbelievable.

Telstra only pay, what, $14 million per year for their entire sponsorship package?? And for this money we are going to cut out any team being signing a new sponsorship deal with Vodafone, Virgin and Optus. These 3 companies spend a mint on sponsorship money in all sorts of sports, particularly Vodafone, and we are cutting this out of the game.

Absolutely ridiculous. Similar to the NRL blocking any sponsorship from betting agencies because of some paltry deal we have with sportsbet or whatever the agency is.
Yes those 3 companies do spend a mint on sponsorship......for AFL, and Yawnion. How does that help us?
Unlike Timmah, who calls our major sponsor a rip off I'm prepared to put my money where my mouth is, I have a telstra mobile and one each for my wife and two daughters plus a home phone and Big Pond broadband. Why? Because I see Telstra supporting my favourite sport to the tune of 14 million dollars. How much does Optus contribute to league? Nothing.
The answer is simple, Strathfield should also offer Telstra phones for those who want one.
 
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Nemesis

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Um, this?

Telstra sent legal letters to the Bulldogs, not the NRL, and want to move against the Bulldogs, not the NRL. The NRL are agreeing with everything that Telstra want.

In this economic environment, this sort of blocking of sponsorship is PETTY and stupid.
Read the article again... Telstra sent legal letters to the NRL, NOT the Bulldogs.

The major telco fired legal letters to the NRL on Thursday upon discovering the Bulldogs had linked with Strathfield Group - a diversified business with one arm that solely sells products belonging to rival Optus.
 

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So far I'm able to locate the following conflicts:

Brisbane - WoW Sight and Sound
Surely an almost direct competitor to Harvey Norman, who sponsor many ARL and NRL initiaitives including State of Origin, things like Fan Days and such.

Cronulla - LG Electronics
Sell mobile phones, can be bought independently if desired and connected to any network.

Sydney Roosters - Samsung Electronics
Also sell mobile phones, as with LG.

Manly Sea Eagles - Strathfield Car Radio (2007)
Were an Optus Dealer at the time of this deal, why wasn't this vetoed?

South Sydney - NAB
They play at f**king ANZ Stadium.

New Zealand Warriors - Vodafone
On the understanding that Telstra isn't in NZ, how f**king amateur. Vodafone does exist in Australia, where NZ play half of their matches. :lol: And before anyone tries to bring up the pre-dated sponsorship argument, between 2001 and now, that deal would've had to have been renewed, at which point the NRL, if they're really serious about this, should've nipped it in the bud.

Wests Tigers - Proton Cars
Isn't the NRL's second major sponsor Toyota? Not to mention they sponsor U20's, halftime on Friday Night Football on 9, and the 2GB team.

Seriously NRL, get your f**king act together. Either declare all conflict of interest deals taboo, or get over. Telstra doesn't need it's "interests protected" in this case, particularly given that mobile phones don't form part of Strathfields major market.

Sorry Tim but you are an idiot this time. You haven't grasped the point here AT ALL.

Firstly, LG Electronics... yes, they PRODUCE mobile phones, but they don't sell them as competitor deals (as in on Optus prepaid etc). Other retailers do, NOT LG.

Same with Samsung...

Car Radio one was a touchy subject at the time.

NAB for South Sydney? :lol: Are you kidding me? Who says theres ANY kind of exclusivity agreement by ANZ?

Vodafone - The warriors signed this deal before the Telstra deal with the exclusive clause in it... so yeah sorry, nice try but fail

Proton cars -... err... toyota doesnt have an exclusivity agreement. Fail

WoW sight and sound btw? :lol: HN and an exclusivity agreement... find me please.

Look, I'm as pissed off as you Tim, but you're talking out of your arse and making up facts to make your argument stronger... saying that Vodafone is ok because Telstra aren't in NZ is a complete lie
 

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According to who? You? The article doesn't really state anything about the likelihood and unless you're Gallop or Kind, I doubt you know much more than us.

A second article regarding this situation appeared on NineMSN, and in it the chairman of Strathfield has been quoted as saying only 10% of Strathfield's revenue is derived from it's mobile sales. Surely that statistic should quell the NRL's concerns...

The NRL doesn't make the decision here- there is a contract between Telstra and the NRL and it is up to Telstra to agree with the NRL and allow the deal to go through. If the NRL ssay yes but Telstra say no, they have the right to commence legal proceedings.
 

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[furrycat];5547785 said:
Sorry Tim but you are an idiot this time. You haven't grasped the point here AT ALL.

Firstly, LG Electronics... yes, they PRODUCE mobile phones, but they don't sell them as competitor deals (as in on Optus prepaid etc). Other retailers do, NOT LG.

Same with Samsung...

Car Radio one was a touchy subject at the time.

NAB for South Sydney? :lol: Are you kidding me? Who says theres ANY kind of exclusivity agreement by ANZ?

Vodafone - The warriors signed this deal before the Telstra deal with the exclusive clause in it... so yeah sorry, nice try but fail

Proton cars -... err... toyota doesnt have an exclusivity agreement. Fail

WoW sight and sound btw? :lol: HN and an exclusivity agreement... find me please.

Look, I'm as pissed off as you Tim, but you're talking out of your arse and making up facts to make your argument stronger... saying that Vodafone is ok because Telstra aren't in NZ is a complete lie

Well done on reading what my point is... I never mentioned the exclusivity agreement. I'm simply pointing out the potential conflicts in the game already. Given some of the above are direct conflicts and have been let fly, and the Strathfield one is indirect, I believe the NRL is nitpicking. The only reason now that anyone knows Strathfield are connected with Optus is due to this publicity.
 

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1. Telstra does exist in NZ, it's called TelstraClear.

2. The Telstra/NRL sponsorship deal applies only to new sponsorships, they have no power to veto existing sponsorships even if it is only renewing a contract. Vodafone will always be able to sponsor the Warriors, but if they wanted to sponsor the Bulldogs then they'd be out of luck.

Only just saw this - exactly. Vodafone were with the Warriors before Telstra's deal came into effect for exclusivity.

But LOL @ there apparently being no Telstra in NZ :roll:
 

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