NRL needs a second division with promotion and relegation

[RL1908]

Personally I always felt that the NYC was just Presidents Cup with younger players and a TV deal. If expansion into lesser markets is a target, perhaps rather than have Reserve Grade as a bunch of big non-NRL Sydney Leagues Clubs, perhaps move them into areas suggested by RL1908?

I think it has appeal, but it would be hard to bring to reality - money is an issue for a start, and at the moment the NRL clubs are developing the NYC players, so there would have to be a shift in thinking if the NYC clubs were all non-NRL clubs.

It works in the USA (NFL & College) but there is over 80 years of history behind it, much bigger population/economy, no competing code, and the Colleges are obviously independent and financial powerhouses in their own right.

I can't really see the NYC being 16 non-NRL clubs, but I honestly think it could generate more interest than the current NYC model, and give non-NRL clubs/areas something. But the NYC is not just clubs/brands etc., it is primarily about development - would the 16 non-NRL clubs do as good a job as the current NYC clubs?

Still would love the NYC to be non-NRL teams like USA College football. That would be a 2nd tier that would offer appeal and interest.

 

[Non Terminator]

2 conferences "Sydney" & "Others"
(Sydney team V Sydney team = larger crowds)
18 teams in total
Each Conference plays home and away
Each team plays teams in the other conference once = 25 rounds total
Conference finals
"Super Bowl" grand final

We're not f*cking America.

 

[lturner]

Looks like a lot a people are opposed to automatic promotion and relegation.

Maybe the best idea is to have a second division national competition, but with no automatic P&R, just as required from time to time. If a team was consistently underperforming in the top division on the field, financially and crowd-wise, they could be transferred to the lower division and a team from below brought up.

Otherwise if not, what is the best way for any future expansion beyond these next 2 teams? Keep numbers the same and force mergers and relocations? Conference-style like American sports leagues? No further expansion/changes?

 

[bartman]

The UK has moved away from automatic P&R, toward a three year franchise system.

Gives clubs stability to plan ahead, and also gives lower division clubs some performance measures to aim at, to build themselves up to the point where they might be ready if there is expansion, if one of the existing clubs faulters or if they happen to outperform an existing top division club in the performance measures during the reporting period (and effectively steal their place).

I see what you're getting at with a second division though, if the Sharks for instance go under no/soonish, we have no back-up plan at the ready.

 

[lturner]

The UK has moved away from automatic P&R, toward a three year franchise system.

Gives clubs stability to plan ahead, and also gives lower division clubs some performance measures to aim at, to build themselves up to the point where they might be ready if there is expansion, if one of the existing clubs faulters or if they happen to outperform an existing top division club in the performance measures during the reporting period (and effectively steal their place).

I see what you're getting at with a second division though, if the Sharks for instance go under no/soonish, we have no back-up plan at the ready.

That's right bartman. And I can see the problems that everyone is talking about with automatic P&R, with the instability it can cause.

However if you look at the successful P&R systems, like in English soccer for example, one great thing about them is that clubs very rarely move or merge even though it is allowed. Clubs tend to stay where they are with their supporters and move up and down divisions. On the other hand, if you look at US franchise systems, it is far more common for teams to relocate or merge - bad luck to the supporters.

As the population grows and the NRL gets more popular over the coming years, it will have to become either one or the other - franchise or P&R.

 

[Non Terminator]

As the population grows and the NRL gets more popular over the coming years, it will have to become either one or the other - franchise or P&R.

No it doesn't.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

No it doesn't.

Neither franchise or promostion and relegation? Is there a third option?

 

[ozbash]

Is there a third option?

we have it now, regular floggings and poor crowds.

P/R would wake the game up and re-create actual compitition.

 

[Loudstrat]

LOL at the p/r f*cknuckles. Ozbash - why am I not surprised? ;-)

Name one non NRL club who would put a competitive team on the paddock in the NRL for 2010?

And what if you relegated a one team town? You punt Canberra or NQ for Gunnedah?

 

[joshreading]

I don't think a direct promo/relegation system would work here due to numerous reasons BUT I think an NRL2 would boost the game immensely. I would however kick off in effectively alignment with the present QLD Cup and NSW Cup. Each would still play for divisional cups and then come together.

If both conferences were say 10 teams with an emphasis on bringing in places such as Adelaide/Darwin/PNG we could see a HUGE spread across Australasia. I actually think that you could get significant TV money from this especially if you work the NRL and NRL2 into a preseason challenge cup. Giving the NRL2 teams a go at the big boys.

I would also require any team wanting to enter the NRL to enter NRL2 first. From there they would seek entry into the NRL.

 

[cumberlandsashes81]

A national 2nd tier open-age competition is an achievable and desirable aim - and should be along the lines of the current NSW and Qld cup models (i.e. local sides in joint venture arrangements with an NRL club). It allows NRL clubs to at least halve the cost of having an open-age feeder side and diversifies the number of parties investing in top-flight Rugby league development.

As Foxtel and the ABC have found - people do want to watch the current 2nd tier competitions - so the potential raise some money from television rights is there.

 

[Bulldog Force]

The best way to fix the Marquee Player relegation problem is to include contract stipulations allowing the Marquee players to sign with another club in the NRL in the top competition if their team gets relegated. However this raises problems. Say he signs a 2 year deal, and his former team spend only 1 year in the lower ranks. He'll come up against them in the upcoming season. Tension problems may arise.

 

[Mr Saab]

The best way to fix the Marquee Player relegation problem is to include contract stipulations allowing the Marquee players to sign with another club in the NRL in the top competition if their team gets relegated. However this raises problems. Say he signs a 2 year deal, and his former team spend only 1 year in the lower ranks. He'll come up against them in the upcoming season. Tension problems may arise.

Tension issues? thats the least of the worries. If a team is relegated then they will instantly lose a shyte load of money. They will never be on free to air (and prob not fox) thus sponsors will leave in droves.

IF the team every does manage to get back into the top tier comp then they will have to find top tier first graders again. If supporters are upset now with the player meat market, then god help us all if the P/R happened...cause players would be moving around left right and center.

We are not England....this is never going to happen.

At least Misty found his brain for this topic and he is right. There is no way a Canberra or NQ would be dropped for a Gunnedah....cant see Gunnedah finding 15 million annually to run a football team...and i cant see their oval holding more than 10k.

 

[adamkungl]

A national 2nd tier open-age competition is an achievable and desirable aim - and should be along the lines of the current NSW and Qld cup models (i.e. local sides in joint venture arrangements with an NRL club). It allows NRL clubs to at least halve the cost of having an open-age feeder side and diversifies the number of parties investing in top-flight Rugby league development.

As Foxtel and the ABC have found - people do want to watch the current 2nd tier competitions - so the potential raise some money from television rights is there.

^This, without the relegation nonsense.

 

[ozbash]

Name one non NRL club who would put a competitive team on the paddock in the NRL for 2010?

Wellington
Christchurch
Nth Sydney Bears
Illawara
Western Suburbs
Newtown Jets
PNG
Pacific Islands combined
Perth - WA
Adelaide
2 teams from Qld Cup
2 teams from NSWRL
1 team from NZRL

If a team is relegated then they will instantly lose a shyte load of money. They will never be on free to air (and prob not fox) thus sponsors will leave in droves.

Not if the comp its relegated to is promoted. Be pretty good incentive not to be relegated, better for the consumer..

 

[Mr Saab]

Not if the comp its relegated to is promoted. Be pretty good incentive not to be relegated, better for the consumer..

australia like watching the best of the best. Not 2nd tier dribble

 

[hellteam]

QLD Cup is the best run rugby league competition around.

I wouldn't want the QRL to get involved in this shambles, and they wouldnt.

 

[adamkungl]

Wellington
Christchurch
Nth Sydney Bears
Illawara
Western Suburbs
Newtown Jets
PNG
Pacific Islands combined
Perth - WA
Adelaide
2 teams from Qld Cup
2 teams from NSWRL
1 team from NZRL

:lol: at every single one of those. The best of those could play Parra or the Roosters and still get 60 put on them week after week

 

[Non Terminator]

Tension issues? thats the least of the worries. If a team is relegated then they will instantly lose a shyte load of money. They will never be on free to air (and prob not fox) thus sponsors will leave in droves.

IF the team every does manage to get back into the top tier comp then they will have to find top tier first graders again. If supporters are upset now with the player meat market, then god help us all if the P/R happened...cause players would be moving around left right and center.

We are not England....this is never going to happen.

At least Misty found his brain for this topic and he is right. There is no way a Canberra or NQ would be dropped for a Gunnedah....cant see Gunnedah finding 15 million annually to run a football team...and i cant see their oval holding more than 10k.

Well written. And don't tell me every fan will stay with the club if they get relegated. Loyalty will be completely dead too, as will history.

Everything that has made the history of our sport will be f*cked over. But it's worth it, right?

 

[_Johnsy]

lturner (Lachie Turner) ???

Considering this is your first thread on this forum, there is really only one option for you.

Relegate yourself.