NRL officially docks 2 points over Bulldogs 14 players

[Timmah]

"We were misled" - Bulldogs say sideline official at fault
April 16 2009

BULLDOGS officials last night accused an NRL sideline official of misleading conduct in their final bid to regain the two points stripped for fielding an illegal player.
Chairman George Peponis, CEO Todd Greenberg and coach Kevin Moore fronted retired judge Sir Lawrence Street to apply for leave to appeal against the penalty.
Street, however, reserved a final decision until tomorrow.
Accompanied by SC Arthur Moses, the Bulldogs group set out to convince Street they deserved to argue the matter before the NRL Appeals Committee.
They were opposed in a two-hour hearing by NRL chief operating officer Graham Annesley and solicitor Tony O'Reilly, who claimed the penalty should stand without further appeal.
The saga has lasted more than three weeks since the two points were deducted after it was discovered the Bulldogs had scored their match-winning try against Penrith in round two with 14 players.
Video footage showed that skipper Andrew Ryan returned to the fray from the far side of the field moments before the man who replaced him, Ben Roberts, dashed over to score.
But The Daily Telegraph can reveal that the Bulldogs last night argued they had been misled about interchange procedures by an NRL sideline official before kick-off.
A club source said trainers were informed players could only be subbed from the tunnel side of the field. "That's why Andrew Ryan was called back on to the field by our NRL trainer (Tony Ayoub)," the source said.
"Based on what he had been told earlier, Tony thought Andrew wasn't allowed to go off on the far side of the field."
The Bulldogs also argued that Ryan played no effective part in the Bulldogs' attacking line when the winning try was scored.
"We've basically got to convince Sir Lawrence Street that we've got a good prospect of success before the Appeals Committee to succeed," Greenberg said afterwards.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/sport/nrl/story/0,26799,25340911-5006066,00.html

 

[big country]

waste of time if you ask me - cop it on the chin and move on

 

[voltron]

lol
misled
wateva
andrew ryan joined the play
he didnt cross the field to go to the other side
good try

 

[Timmah]

Sounds desperate tbh, but hey, if it gets our points back...

 

[voltron]

yeah i would applaud any effort my club made to regain points it had lost
but yeah ure right
it does sound really desparate

 

[God-King Dean]

I really think they should let it go. I understand point are extremely important, but surely their team will make the 8 without it.

I spose they've got nothing to lose.

 

[mattyg]

we'll probably make the top 8 regardless based on current form, but my gripe is how many places is it gonna cost us on the ladder? Maybe we could finish 7th and be playing sudden death instead of finishing 4th and enjoying a home semi final. Thats how tight the competition is, and I can see the 2 points costing us a few places on the ladder.

 

[Big Mick]

we'll probably make the top 8 regardless based on current form, but my gripe is how many places is it gonna cost us on the ladder? Maybe we could finish 7th and be playing sudden death instead of finishing 4th and enjoying a home semi final. Thats how tight the competition is, and I can see the 2 points costing us a few places on the ladder.

Well maybe you shouldn't have put 14 on the field?

If the referee didn't have a major stuff up the points would have been Penrith's anyway...and the ref's admitted it.

End of the day...cop it...

We've had 2 games where we should have won that were close games where the referee decided the game...I think we have more of a case to be pissed than yourself to be honest. We've lost 4 points...to our team that's the difference between sneaking in the 8..and spoon haha.

 

[Timmah]

Oh god, here comes the Pemriff "we deserved to win brigade".

Your defence = phail. That's why you lost the game.

 

[mxlegend99]

Ofcourse. A team loses by 2 points... and having a fair try scored under the posts has absolutely nothing to do with the loss. :sarcasm:

It doesn't make sense to bag the Panthers defence out, when the Bulldogs had to cheat to beat them. :lol: Ontop of 3 disallowed tries, it took 14 men to get the Bulldogs a match winning try.

 

[abpanther]

Oh god, here comes the Pemriff "we deserved to win brigade".

Your defence = phail. That's why you lost the game.

I guess you get numb to cheating after a while

 

[gong_eagle]

Penrith take it straight to the judge

Exclusive by Josh Massoud | April 17, 2009

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/sport/nrl/story/0,26799,25345179-5006066,00.html




PENRITH yesterday ambushed the Bulldogs' appeal for two stripped competition points by firing a hostile submission to the retired judge who is determining the matter. Both clubs have been fighting for the lost points since they were deducted from the Bulldogs, who beat Penrith with 14 men almost four weeks ago.
The Panthers sent the NRL a 20-page submission arguing for the points last month, which was rejected by league boss David Gallop.
The Bulldogs' initial approach to Gallop to have the two points reinstated was also denied, but they fronted retired judge Sir Laurence Street on Wednesday night to fight for leave to appeal against the NRL's decision.
Angry that their submission had not been included in Wednesday night's hearing, Panthers boss Mick Leary sensationally bypassed Gallop yesterday and emailed the same 20-page document directly to Street.
Street's verdict was expected today, but could now be delayed should he take into account Penrith's lengthy submission.


"We've asked for our submission to be part of the Bulldogs appeal," Leary said.
"We weren't informed of their appeal and believe we should be a party to it."
Bulldogs officials, however, were last night furious at the Panthers for attempting to provide a submission that is hostile to their ef- forts of winning back the two competition points.
They are also wondering whether Gallop took the Panthers submission into account when he initially rejected their claim.
"There was also no mention of the Panthers submission on Wednesday night, but everything should be taken into account in the appeal," a source close to the Bulldogs said.
"There might be some questions raised about the process."

 

[TheDalek079]

"We were misled" - Bulldogs say sideline official at fault


But The Daily Telegraph can reveal that the Bulldogs last night argued they had been misled about interchange procedures by an NRL sideline official before kick-off.
A club source said trainers were informed players could only be subbed from the tunnel side of the field. "That's why Andrew Ryan was called back on to the field by our NRL trainer (Tony Ayoub)," the source said.
"Based on what he had been told earlier, Tony thought Andrew wasn't allowed to go off on the far side of the field."

So what does where you can be subbed from have to do with the fact the doggies had an extra man?

 

[Timmah]

Um, obvious?

Ryan subs off the far side

Ayoub remembers being told it could only be done on the broadcast side

Ayoub calls Ryan back on as a result

Bulldogs end up with 14 men inadvertently on the field.

 

[TheDalek079]

Um, obvious?

Ryan subs off the far side

Ayoub remembers being told it could only be done on the broadcast side

Ayoub calls Ryan back on as a result

Bulldogs end up with 14 men inadvertently on the field.

Then either Ayoub is an idiot, or Roberts should have got back off the field as bobcat wandered across it.

So Ryan goes to the wrong side and comes back on. He should have been trudging across to the broadcast side of the touchline, instead he goes and joins the bulldogs on attack.

 

[Timmah]

I did say it was desperate, but it's always worth a shot.

LOLPEMRIFF making a case for the points.

 

[Sleep]

As Hindmarsh said on the footy show a few weeks ago, there's a interchange system in place. It's as simple as can be and the Bulldogs somehow managed to completely get it wrong. No case for them at all.

Penrith had a fair try disallowed that would of won them the game. They then had a try awarded against them which cost them the game that's since been deemed unfair. I'd say they've got more of a case then the Bulldogs.

 

[Timmah]

Rubbish. Penrith didn't win the match, simple as that.

 

[Pass the Ball]

Penrith were winning the match when it was 13 on 13...

Noone will get the points, but Penrith are closer than the dogs are...

 

[Dogs Of War]

Penrith had a fair try disallowed that would of won them the game. They then had a try awarded against them which cost them the game that's since been deemed unfair. I'd say they've got more of a case then the Bulldogs.

Is that a can of worms you would want opened? Each weekend teams would launch legal action due to a bad call by the ref that they reckon cost them the game.

As for the Dogs and the points, I will leave it up the Bulldogs and NRL to figure it out, as most of us don't have all the facts of the case that are being presented.