NRL officially docks 2 points over Bulldogs 14 players

[ibeme]

Andrew Ryan was standing at first receiver on the other side of the ruck. How is he not effecting play there.

I haven't studied the footage that closely, so I guess that will be part of the decision making when they hear the appeal. I thought he'd just run on and kept on the right.

And Ennis being down doesnt aid your argument. There was no penalty, so no free replacement, so Ennis being down didn't give Andrew Ryan the right to run on.

Please please take the blue and white glasses off.

Where did I say it gave him the right to run on? There is no question over the rule breach. It's the severity of the penalty that is in question.

 

[Johns Magic]

Well, I guess that might all come up in the appeal process, and those who make the decisions will determine whether or not this was an innocent error or a deliberate attempt to flout the rules

It's not about intent. It's about whether breaking the rules may have influenced the outcome of the match. Which considering the matchwinning try was scored moments later, it probably did.

 

[ibeme]

It's not about intent. It's about whether breaking the rules may have influenced the outcome of the match. Which considering the matchwinning try was scored moments later, it probably did.

Of course intent will play a role. If a team openly defies the rules and puts 14 or 15 men on the field, do you think it will come down to whether or not they had an influence?

And of course, whether or not Ryan was deemed to influence the play will be given significant consideration.

But as I've said, a precedent is already in place from the Cowboys last year. If this is deemed to be the same situation than they will have no choice but to reduce the penalty to a fine. If they deem this case to be more severe, then the penalty will probably stand.

 

[Pass the Ball]

Intent, involvement, influence...

This is only creating grey areas..

It is an absolute no-brainer that the Bulldogs will lose two points because of it...

I bet other teams will be a lot more careful in the future also...

 

[ibeme]

Intent, involvement, influence...

This is only creating grey areas..

It is an absolute no-brainer that the Bulldogs will lose two points because of it...

I bet other teams will be a lot more careful in the future also...

Of course there are grey areas. That's why there's an appeal process in place. That's why the Cowboys got their penalty reduced in 07. That's why there is no guarantee that the Bulldogs will or will not get their penalty reduced this time.

 

[Johns Magic]

Of course intent will play a role. If a team openly defies the rules and puts 14 or 15 men on the field, do you think it will come down to whether or not they had an influence?

No, because they intentionally broke the rules.

Intent might play a role if the result was a foregone conclusion. If the Dogs had been up by 20 when Ryan came on, The Dogs would probably keep the points but be fined. Not if you're down by 4 and score the matchwinner moments later. In that case, the Dogs won the match illegally, when they otherwise wouldn't have.

 

[Timmah]

No, because they intentionally broke the rules.

Intent might play a role if the result was a foregone conclusion. If the Dogs had been up by 20 when Ryan came on, The Dogs would probably keep the points but be fined. Not if you're down by 4 and score the matchwinner moments later. In that case, the Dogs won the match illegally, when they otherwise wouldn't have.

Intentionally broke the rules? WTF?

Intent, involvement, influence...

This is only creating grey areas..

It is an absolute no-brainer that the Bulldogs will lose two points because of it...

I bet other teams will be a lot more careful in the future also...

There is an appeals process and there are a number of different penalties that can be given for this type of infringement. By having different penalties, the NRL create the grey areas. Given the mistake was not a deliberate attempt to defraud the NRL but rather an honest error, the Bulldogs are within their rights to appeal the level of the penalty issued. If they fail, so be it - but at least they've done what they can to keep them.

You lot act as if you're the authority on this, it's f**king hilarious. It's for the NRL to decide ;-)

 

[redvscotty]

Intentionally broke the rules? WTF?

There is an appeals process and there are a number of different penalties that can be given for this type of infringement. By having different penalties, the NRL create the grey areas. Given the mistake was not a deliberate attempt to defraud the NRL but rather an honest error, the Bulldogs are within their rights to appeal the level of the penalty issued. If they fail, so be it - but at least they've done what they can to keep them.

You lot act as if you're the authority on this, it's f**king hilarious. It's for the NRL to decide ;-)

Ditto

 

[Johns Magic]

Intentionally broke the rules? WTF?

Re-read the quote and try to keep up.

 

[Timmah]

oops...

I still don't see how intent is irrelevant, your use of hypotheticals to try disproving it is off the mark.

You're looking at it too black and white. Rulings on these sorts of matters are never black and white, as much as you might like them to be.

 

[Garts]

Wonder how some of these doggies fans would view it if it was another team losing the 2 points in the same situation.

 

[Timmah]

Oooo, perspective. :lol:

 

[parramaniac2516]

So did they lose the points because i read an article somewhere saying they did but it still has them on 4 points on the NRL Website?

 

[Timmah]

The points stay in place until the NRL hands down it's decision on the Bulldogs' appeal.

 

[dgsfan]

Anyone have any idea when the NRL will make heir decision?

 

[Didgi]

Mate, it's the NRL upstairs department.

No-one knows what weird, wacky and never wonderful things happen up there.

 

[Timmah]

2012? At which point they'll try 37 points again? :crazy:

 

[Timmah]

In seriousness one of the articles about Idris in his thread seems to indicate we'll know today...

 

[gong_eagle]

NRL rejects Bulldogs bid to have two point deduction overturned

Exclusive by Josh Massoud | April 03, 2009 05:00pm
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/sport/nrl/story/0,26799,25284381-5006066,00.html




THE NRL has today rejected the Bulldogs' submission to have two points deducted for illegally fielding 14 men overturned. NRL boss David Gallop told Bulldogs CEO Todd Greenberg of the verdict this afternoon.
The Belmore club will now have to gain leave to appeal to have the matter heard before NRL Appeals Committee head Sir Laurence Street.

The Bulldogs are expected to apply for leave next week.

"It was a major breach of the rules and there's little alternative given the circumstances than to deduct the points,'' Gallop said.

The breach occured in the dying stages of the Bulldogs round two win over Penrith, when skipper Andrew Ryan was inadvertantly called back onto the field as his team's 14th player. The Bulldogs then scored the winning try with an extra man.

 

[Timmah]

Exclusive? Josh, buddy, EVERYONE is reporting this - in fact, 2GB aired it before your pissy article.

Good to see we're appealing the appeal result :lol:

Points gorn for now