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NRL to consider handing back the game to clubs

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lol this has to be the worst idea since super league.

the clubs can barely run a meat raffle, how exactly are they going to be able to run one australia's largest organisations?

-what do you think is going to happen to junior development?
-whats going to happen to rural football?
-what do you think is going to happen to expansion?
-the list could go on till the cows came home.

this would not be like the NFL because NFL clubs are professional corporate entities run by forward thinking business moguls. the NRL clubs are half-pregnant semi-professional community club houses run by dinasours. in fact before you start even talking about the NFL's structure, you should actually familiarize yourself with it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL-NFL_merger

if our game is going to be what it could have been and what it should be:
-news limited must relinquish ownership
-the arl dinosours must go
-a single independent body to govern the entire game of rugby league must be formed

i'm with you pal

just some people on here cannot see past my "less sydney-centric" attitude.

Sydney stadia, too, have nothing on Nou camp or Old Trafford...see for yourself
 

Danish

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Not at all. How do you sell something to someone who is not ready to buy?


You wait till they are ready, of course.


But no, the correct option was surely giving them away FOR FREE to someone with no intention of putting the extra games on TV....
 

Bluebags1908

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the other guy noted that things in sydney are far from perfect.

Your city will need 4 billion dollars per year for 30 years (estimate) to get a world class public transport network, your political parties are a joke and your sydney clubs are broke and have poor crowds to boot...

no, sydney is no jewel, its a ruddy stone....nothing more.


Yes, I said Sydney is far from perfect. But does that mean by simply kicking Sydney tems out of the comp things will get better? Hello no! That's the worst thing you could do. The game has a saturation coverage and stranglehold on the biggest and most competitve market in the country, so no need to weeaken it.

By me saying that 'Sydney is far from perfect' what I am saying is that there is always room for improvement and that we need to keep supporting our existing clubs to make all clubs stronger (Sydney and non-Sydney). Kicking out Sydney teams only weakens the game's strangehold in the biggest market in Australia. We need to keep all teh clubs and make what we already have stronger.


i'm with you pal

just some people on here cannot see past my "less sydney-centric" attitude.

Sydney stadia, too, have nothing on Nou camp or Old Trafford...see for yourself

Hey I'm all for expansion. The game needs to expand to survive. But forcefully kick out Sydney teams? No way. How's this for an idea - why don't you get your Sydney-centric chip off your shoulder, stop death-riding Sydney teams, and recognise that all clubs have a place in this competition and should be supported.

Our dominance in Sydney is an advantage and not a disadvantage. Don't believe me? Just ask the AFL. They would be the only winners if Sydney teams were eliminated.
 

griff

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We know that clubs are short-term myopic thinkers, only doing what is perceived to be good for them and them alone in the short term. But this proposal could go two ways.

The first is the lunatics running the asylum model - the Fitzgeralds of this world thinking small and thinking about maintaining their own small patch and never thinking beyond the next FY.

However, the other way that this could play out is that owning the NRL actually forces the clubs to think more long term and think about what is in the best interests of the competition as a whole. Which, ultimately, will be better for the individual clubs anyway.
 

Perth Red

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I'd go for option one as being far far more likely! Long term planning for most clubs goes as far as end of season.
 

Green Machine

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The ARL ran the best world cup ever. What didn't they get right for you, Butchmcdickhead?

Better than 1995?
Danish - what sort of alternate reality do you live in?

The ARL sold Pay TV rights before there was Pay TV.
When did they actually sign off on those PayTV rights?
Did Murdoch make an offer when they were for sale? No.
Was News Ltd asked to submit an offer before PBL was awarded the rights?
Don't let the facts get in the way of your Sydney hating.
Facts?:lol:
And, you two clowns just advocated for an exact return to the NSWRL model under Kevin Humphreys. The same model you hate. The only way that makes sense is if you two are devoid of the ability to think.
I see Murray Farquhar has got a mention on Underbelly on Monday night
 

meltiger

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The NFL is owned by its teams, why would it not work here??

Providing all teams are given an equal voting right, then we would certainly see things go the right way. Brisbane would not have any power to stop another SEQLD team, as they would be outnumbered at the table.

Sydney teams could not save each other from relocation, as the interstate teams are now equal to the amount of sydney-based clubs, and as such only a single vote would be required to force such decisions.

After a decade or so the teams would naturally spread out across the country until the balance of power for each faction (QLD, Sydney, Vic/SA/WA, NZ) would be equal.

It would all be driven by the clubs chasing the TV dollar. We all know that to gain $1 billion deals you need a true national presence. I really doubt too many sydney clubs would fight for the sharks to stay in cronulla if pushing them to perth or Adelaide would net them a few million bucks in their pockets.


If we had a rep system on here, you would be getting rep from me for that ^^

I initially thought "News out good, clubs running the coop bad" but that is an excellent viewpoint you put forth there.


Even if you are wrong & NSW clubs bloc voted, the system could always be setup like the AFL's where they only need 1/3 of clubs to vote for something to get it through. That way you could in the short term stop the NSW clubs being obstrucionist if they so chose.
 

seanoff

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you can't let the lunatics run the asylum. it would be like leaving the coaches in charge of the rules. :crazy:

the clubs are all too self interested to make the harder decisions that might be perceived to effect them negatively.

The NRL/ARL/NSWRL/QRL/CRL etc etc need to be rolled into one entity. an independent commsission with an independent executive arm to control the game in Aus from U5s to NRL. that way you get decisions that are at least thought through and don't just pander to the interests of one group.
 

fourplay

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If the clubs ran the game then we could say goodbye to ever seeing the World 7's back or a meaningful World Club Challenge played the week after the grand final. Like the 7's, a proper WCC has the potential to be huge.
 

Brycey

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Isnt there two issues here:

1) The day to day operations of the NRL
2) All of Rugby League operations in Australia.

I think this latest issue relates to 1) not 2).
It needs to all come under one roof.

Needs to be run like English Football.

Have like a FA which is the governing body of the sport itself.

Branch it off into three divisions - domestic comp; national team; and juniors/regional league.

Clubs should be able to each elect 1 representative to sit on the governing body board along with the main governing body reps - then from there you apoint your CEO and execs fvia the board.
 

nadera78

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It needs to all come under one roof.

Needs to be run like English Football.

Have like a FA which is the governing body of the sport itself.

Branch it off into three divisions - domestic comp; national team; and juniors/regional league.

Clubs should be able to each elect 1 representative to sit on the governing body board along with the main governing body reps - then from there you apoint your CEO and execs fvia the board.

It's not quite that simple over here actually. The FA runs 'football', but there is a department that runs the Premier League (almost as a seperate business) and another that runs the national teams, officials, judiciary, etc. There is a completely seperate organisation, the Football League, that runs the 2nd, 3rd and 4th tiers of pro football. There are numerous organisations running semi-pro football comps. And then of course there are the County FAs that run the community game. So I wouldn't look at English football as a model.

For what it's worth I think the ARL should run the comp, but the ARL itself needs a shake up first. The ARL will always need regional bodies to run the local and junior leagues, what you need to make sure is that no one group dominates the ARL in the way that the NSWRL traditionaly does. Similarly the Sydney clubs would dominate any 'club-owned' NRL.

I think you need to lose the 'affiliated states' thing too; NSW, Qld, Vic, WA, NT, CRL should have equal status within the ARL, and that means equal board membership and voting rights. You might even allow the NRL clubs collectively to have a voting rep sitting on the ARL board. That would give you a seven man board. They then appoint a CEO and staff to run the pro and rep games. Below that, the community and junior RL is the responsibility of the state governing bodies.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/heres-the-good-news/2009/03/19/1237055003859.html

Here's the good news: momentum builds for clubs to reclaim the game

Greg Prichard | March 20, 2009

NEWS LIMITED, the half-owner of the NRL, has revealed it keenly supports the league's bid for independence, stating that it does not intend to hinder reforms that include the establishment of an independent commission to run the game and ownership of the competition to be split among the 16 clubs.

A sub-committee representing the clubs has been working for over a year on selling the idea of possible restructuring to News Ltd and the game's other half-owner, the Australian Rugby League, and it emerged this week that the proposal included the clubs taking ownership.

Although it has been understood for some time that News Ltd was prepared to relinquish ownership as long as it felt the game was left in good hands, it has not been a subject on which representatives of the company were prepared to comment.

However, in the wake of recent developments, the Herald yesterday contacted Greg Baxter, corporate affairs spokesman for News Ltd, and he confirmed that the company believed the current push was heading in the right direction.

"Our position is pretty simple," Baxter said. "We have had discussions with the clubs and representatives from the NRL and ARL on this. We think the idea has a lot of merit and we have encouraged the clubs to work out a proposal between themselves and come back to us to talk about it.

"It doesn't require our blessing for the clubs to talk about this, and we're happy to talk to them as often as they want to talk about it. It does require our blessing, as a 50 per cent owner, for any new arrangement to run the game to be put in place, but that's the same as the ARL, the clubs and the NRL. Everyone has to agree with the plan.

"There is a lot to be said for the concept of the clubs having more control over the game and a governance structure for the running of the game to be introduced. We don't want to be a roadblock to that."

News Ltd's position is bound to be enthusiastically received by figures within the game who are driving the process for change. Among those directly involved is Gold Coast chief executive Michael Searle, who is on the NRL sub-committee charged with the responsibility of examining restructuring the competition.

"There are a multitude of options we have been looking at, and that includes the idea of the 16 clubs taking equity," Searle said. "It's probably the most difficult to negotiate, but it's definitely worth consideration. But the most important thing is whether we do a deal that brings independence to the game at all levels."

Searle and other sub-committee members have been meeting on a regular basis with members of the News Ltd and ARL sides of the NRL partnership committee, and have been encouraged by the overall acceptance of the need for change.

The best indication that influential figures view the idea positively is that in a code where leaks and back-biting are not unusual, people involved in the process have been loath to give much away publicly, or privately criticise those involved, for fear of disrupting the process.

Searle did not wish to be too specific either, but he pointed out that at a time when the global economic downturn was making life tough, it was appropriate that league did whatever was necessary to establish the best way forward for the game.

"It's the right time for looking at highlighting the need for efficiencies within the game," he said. "It's obviously not a simple process because if we move on this it would represent a change in the philosophical point of view of both the ARL and News towards the game.

"It's an ongoing process. We're not going to have an answer tomorrow, but we've come a long way down the track in our discussions with the relevant parties.

"Certainly, no one is feeling the need to fly the white flag on any of this. We feel positively about what has happened so far, and we are enthusiastic about continuing to negotiate."

It has always been clear that News Ltd would never give up its share of control over the game if it meant the ARL was going to assume control. The challenge of trying to convince people in power to give up that control was always going to be the biggest hurdle for the negotiators, but indications are they have made significant ground on that score.
 

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