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NRL vs NFL debate

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ozhawk66

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Everlovin' Antichrist said:



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</FONT></FONT>It's why 18 year old kids can't play the game at that level in American football. Get it?




Get what, that NFL hold back their players till their early 20’s?

That’s their decision, I couldn’t care less. The US system has always been different to everywhere else. That’s not exactly news.QUOTE]


Holding back their players? LOL :lol: lol Even you can spin better than that. The US allowes other pro sports to let 18-20 year olds play proffesionally, cept in the NFL. Even some punk kid took the NFL to court to try and play early by the age of 20. He was beaten in court and told to come back when he's old enough and has game.

And for your asnwer in this area to hold ANY sort of water, you have to explain on how the body of an 18 year old is as physically mature as a young man in his early 20's.
 

ozhawk66

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Everlovin' Antichrist said:
FFS, he is saying that an NFL player could play Origin, he even mentioned Daunte Culpepper.

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What I said was imagine a player like that playing in the #7 jersey, not necessarily Pepper by name.
 

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snoopster77 said:
The most obvious difference is that you can watch RL live but you have to tape any NFL games and use fast forward all the time.


That's for people who don't follow the live chess aspect of football.
 

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snoopster77 said:
Oh and any talking of NFL dropouts coming over here to revolutionise the game is crap. League requires players built like league players, not players built like NFL players.


You mean, smaller and slower?
 

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Lego_Man said:
Secondly, you have not once attempted to address the point that NFL gridiron teams consist of two separate teams, effectively meaning that an individual player will end up sitting out a large portion of each game.



That's how the game has evolved. It's become too violent and taxing on the human body on the NFL or even collegiate level to play both sides. They used 50 years ago, but they can't do it now days. This is one area where football has evolved and league has remained the same.


Add bullsh*t like "special teams", which i believe is players who simply kick and do nothing else and you have a game that is so specialised that it's absurd.


You don't know what your talking about in the area of special teams.


Which is not to say that certain NFL players in certain positions aren't athletes who could rival any in the NRL, but when i see 150 kg+ obese blobs lining up for the play, i am really unimpressed.


That's cause you don't know what the're up to have to do.
 
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Those same Australian kids play the toughest sport on the planet at an elite level at 18 all the time.

Are you saying Yank 18 year oldss are pussies?

At 18 in Australia you're old enough to drink, old enough to vote, old enough to go to war, old enough to have sex (don't worry, it'll happen one day).... but according to you they're not ready for an elite contact sport at the same age in America?

Here's how you can make NFL like Rugby League.

1. No padding except for light shoulder pads.
2. No stoppages except for injuries and the obvious 1/2 time break.
3. Play it in 2 halves.
4. Have 17 players only to play offense, defense and special teams.

Australian 18 year olds do it all the time at an elite level.

Yet American kids can't play a game which is 60 minutes over 4 hours, padding on everything, 3 full teams to play the three "disciplines" at 18?

You're saying American 18 year olds are pussies....

The fact is that the authorities choose to hold them back until a later age. We choose not to because simply, 18 year olds are adults here and are allowed to make their own decisions.
 

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Misty Bee said:
You are going around in circles. There is no Rugby Friday Night Football show anywhere in the world.

And if you only watch live Rugby, you mustn't have seen a game for about 3 weeks, when Super 12 ended.

And to prove your utter stupidity, this is not a Rugby forum. This is a LEAGUE forum. You need to address these errors, lest you log onto www.wimbledon.com, and start bagging lawn bowls.



Where did I mention anything about union here? Play the stupid game with someone else, moderator.
 
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You're just a frustrated soccer supporter.

If O'Neill told you to jump off the gap, you would....

Football... LOL

Gridiron has less call on that name than League, Union, Soccer, AFL or Lawn Bowls...

The only players that touch the ball with their foot are the two most despised, punters and place kickers..
 

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Everlovin' Antichrist said:
NFL players do not play anywhere near all the game and they certainly get the opportunity to re-charge the batteries through numerous breaks in play. The game takes four hours and it's not unusual for players to be sitting for 5 minutes at a time, 2 or 3 times a quarter.

NFL players have padding everywhere to cushion the contact, League players for the most part don't wear padding.

If you asked an NFL players to play without padding, he'd have you committed, yet League players do it week-in, week-out.

NRL players need and have more stamina, there's no doubt.




League players play no where near the full 80 minutes, for a variety of reasons and circumstances.

While American football players "recharge" their batteries between series over 3-4 hours, league players are doing so DURING normal play of the ball. Which is about 60 minutes on the average.

Padding? Your obviously missing out on the concept of so called padding being used as weaponry on the human body. Nor did you have the guts to address the posts concerning the physical differences between the two sports and why there are more injuries in American football. Including concussions.

Ask NFL players to do it without padding? They do it on a weekly basis. And I don't think leaguers do anything like Oklahoma or circle drills.
 

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Everlovin' Antichrist said:
Those same Australian kids play the toughest sport on the planet at an elite level at 18 all the time.

Are you saying Yank 18 year oldss are pussies?

At 18 in Australia you're old enough to drink, old enough to vote, old enough to go to war, old enough to have sex (don't worry, it'll happen one day).... but according to you they're not ready for an elite contact sport at the same age in America?

Here's how you can make NFL like Rugby League.

1. No padding except for light shoulder pads.
2. No stoppages except for injuries and the obvious 1/2 time break.
3. Play it in 2 halves.
4. Have 17 players only to play offense, defense and special teams.

Australian 18 year olds do it all the time at an elite level.

Yet American kids can't play a game which is 60 minutes over 4 hours, padding on everything, 3 full teams to play the three "disciplines" at 18?

You're saying American 18 year olds are pussies....

The fact is that the authorities choose to hold them back until a later age. We choose not to because simply, 18 year olds are adults here and are allowed to make their own decisions.



Spin all you want. The year old is physically incapable of playing American football. It's a boys body amongst men on the highest level. But yet they let em play in the NRL.

And there is no possible way an 18 year old is as physically mature as a young man in his early 20's. That is a basic fact of human nature that you can't POSSIBLY spin around.
 

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Everlovin' Antichrist said:
Mate, you're missing the point too.

League players, especially starters, play the majority of the game non-stop and in the case of backs, all the game. That's an 80 minute game in 90 or, for the pedantic, 95 minutes.

NFL players do not play anywhere near all the game and they certainly get the opportunity to re-charge the batteries through numerous breaks in play. The game takes four hours and it's not unusual for players to be sitting for 5 minutes at a time, 2 or 3 times a quarter.

NFL players have padding everywhere to cushion the contact, League players for the most part don't wear padding.

If you asked an NFL players to play without padding, he'd have you committed, yet League players do it week-in, week-out.

NRL players need and have more stamina, there's no doubt.

ah ok i see you've never taken a shot to the back with a helmet? or how about head on impact with another helmet..that sh!t hurts..the padding doesnt make the game soft..it makes every player a possible stuntman which in most cases is crazy..cause then you have guys trying to lay you out with some huge shot.

Yes i understand what you mean by saying league players are on the field longer and as you have also added the games run faster which means less breaks.. but the problem is its easy to take a few breaks during the play to regather your energy.

A Gridiron game can last from 3hours+ depending on how the teams try and play the game..if there are alot of incomplete passes then expect alot of time stopping , this doesnt mean you dont get tired..far from it..since the time stops then you will be spriniting more and more as game time isnt wasted by the play clock.

You also spend almost all your time on the field spriniting, as a corner back or any position in the secondray if a team converts on two 3rd downs you will be out on your feet as by the time you more then likely have already run around 120-150m within a few plays.

In league when runing back the 10 its easy the backs who are generally not involved for the first few plays..

just watch a game and tell me how often you see a team sprinting the 10m then sprinting up to make the tackle...if it did happen then id say league requires more stamina.

look at it this way,

Your defending, the ref has you 10m away..i get the ball run 7m then get tackled, you jog back 7m..its not really that exhausting..but then it changes after line breaks and etc which make the game alot more energy consuming.

Same thing goes with Gridiorn, you sprint 40m then if in position you make the tackle..if not you jog back and get ready to do it again until its either 4th down or a turn over occours...

The game is a start and stop game but when ur on the field you have to go 100% all out or you will be left behind, this is why i believe you require more fitness to play the sport cause unlike league when your on the field you cant go easy to catch your breath.

And yes im aware that Gridiorn has a defense, offense and special teams but having a a 5min break on the sideline doesnt do justice to how hard you have to run while on the field.

If you ever play a game of Gridiron then you'd understand what im trying to say.
 

ozhawk66

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Everlovin' Antichrist said:
You're just a frustrated soccer supporter.

If O'Neill told you to jump off the gap, you would....

Football... LOL

Gridiron has less call on that name than League, Union, Soccer, AFL or Lawn Bowls...

The only players that touch the ball with their foot are the two most despised, punters and place kickers..



It's a better name than footy. Cause footy is something you do with a female underneath the resaurant table, not running and chasing around with a bunch of sweaty guys on the grass.
 

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It's footsy you dim-witted twat. Please tell me you're an American ex-pat, because I'd hate to think that there's an Australian as stupid as you.
 

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Everlovin' Antichrist said:
The fact is that the authorities choose to hold them back until a later age. We choose not to because simply, 18 year olds are adults here and are allowed to make their own decisions.



Letting an 18 year old play in the NFL would be career suicide.
 

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Ghoulies said:
It's footsy you dim-witted twat. Please tell me you're an American ex-pat, because I'd hate to think that there's an Australian as stupid as you.



Depends on the sentence structure and what culture one is brought up in. It would be like me giving you s#*t for spelling centre or tyre improperly. At least the simple joke didn't go over your head from underneath the table.
 

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NFL players can't drink

NFL players live in one dimension, since they only run forward

NFL players can't duck since their touchdowns involve no touching down

NFL players play gridiron because they cant play baseball or basketball

NFL players should better lose their arms in order to be even faster since most of them only touch one kind of ball, their own

NFL linesmen can be replace by huge sacks of sand on wheels
 

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MutOofd said:
NFL players can't drink

NFL players live in one dimension, since they only run forward

NFL players can't duck since their touchdowns involve no touching down

NFL players play gridiron because they cant play baseball or basketball

NFL players should better lose their arms in order to be even faster since most of them only touch one kind of ball, their own

NFL linesmen can be replace by huge sacks of sand on wheels



Talk about living in the land of Oz in more ways than one.
 
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