NRL vs NFL debate

[aqua_duck]

He would be crap at half back because he's been throwing pies through the air, not League passes. He'd be better in a three stooges film than in a Rugby League match.

And how many tackles would he make tonight?

Probably the same amout he makes in an NFL season, 0.

Just what Queensland need, a Seppo with a "great arm" and no tackling ability at half. Get Wayne Bennett on the line, time to drag another halfback from overseas...

Jesus you're a nong.

You can say the same thing about any league player trying to play NFL.
No one is saying an NFL player could step on to origin tonight and dominate.
Imagine Daunte Culpepper if he played league from birth would be a superior league player to almost everyone. Imagine a guy with a pin point bullet arm, a tactial football brain, can run 40m in abit over 4 seconds and has a 120kg frame to boot.

 

[ozhawk66]

Watch the first tackle of Origin tonight. some bloke getting belted by 3-4 opponents. No padding either..

I hate to say it, but padding, along with bigger, faster athletes makes it worse.

This article has been edited for pithyness.....



NSCA: Rash of NFL Injuries Not Result of Strength Training and Conditioning

November 17, 2004

Colorado Springs, Colo. - The National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA) doubts that the recent outbreak of NFL injuries is caused by the increase in strength training and conditioning of athletes.

The large number of injuries in the NFL is a concern. A recent article stated that 31 players have sustained season ending injures compared to 15 last year at this time. Among the speculative reasons for these disturbing statistics has been that somehow strength and conditioning programs could contribute to the rising number of injuries.

Bill Allerheiligen, C.S.C.S., President of the National Strength and Conditioning Association, has spent 17 years as a college and professional strength and conditioning coach for football. Allerheiligen said, �Of the 31 season ending injuries, nine (29 percent) were due to broken bones or similar types of injuries.�

There is some validity to the fact that bigger, faster objects make more of an impact than smaller slower ones. However, without modern strength and conditioning techniques, few of the players could withstand the forces that are placed upon their body. A game at the professional level has been likened to being in multiple car wrecks. No amount of training can prevent all injuries in a collision activity such as American football.

NSCA also wants to clarify how important year-round strength training and conditioning is in decreasing the severity and recovery time of injuries.

I feel that equipment needs a fresh look. Bigger, faster, stronger has been the watchword for years, so naturally you get what you train for. The speed at which these people are hitting each other is incredible. The rise in the number of concussions has led to changes to the helmet but has not been universally mandated as of yet. With the speed of impact players are encountering, we need to research better shock absorbing materials that will allow them to survive the tremendous impact forces.


Coaches and league officials do agree on one thing, however�that it is still too early to determine if this is, indeed, an epidemic.


for full article:
http://www.athletesperformance.com/spj/article.php?id=80

 

[Vicious]

One huge difference between the players in the 2 sports.HEART!!!
Gridiron has their fair share of great athletes, but how many of them have a decent sized heart???
It`s one thing to be a great athlete with explosive speed and plenty of power, but it`s another to engage in an 80 minute war each and every week for approximately 32 weeks of each year???

 

[ozhawk66]

One huge difference between the players in the 2 sports.HEART!!!
Gridiron has their fair share of great athletes, but how many of them have a decent sized heart???
It`s one thing to be a great athlete with explosive speed and plenty of power, but it`s another to engage in an 80 minute war each and every week for approximately 32 weeks of each year???

from post #197


"If it takes someone taking some enhancement to give them the courage to go out there against someone else eventually, mentally it's gonna catch up to you because you're not gonna be as strong when I compete at the same level and stand up to you and your steroids ain't working."

Nelson summed up how everyone felt about the '86 Giants and the steroid issue: "You play football from the heart. You can be as strong as you want to be, you don't have the guys with the heart, you're not gonna be any good."

 

[Dogs Of War]

There are certain rules in Rugby that don’t really exist in football. In Rugby, gang tackling, and piling onto a player are illegal. In football, tackling around the head and neck often goes unpunished, whereas in Rugby that sort of action is stopped very quickly. In Rugby, players must tackle by wrapping their arms around the ballcarrier. Just running into a player, shoulder-barging, or rolling into their knees is illegal.

Hmm, In Rugby this statement would be true, In rugby league it is false, Running into a player/Shoulder-Barging is allowed, checkout Sonny-Bill for some good examples of that. Never seen anyone try and roll into someone knees but I doubt it is the best way to stop a player, cause unlike gridiron where the play halts when the ball carrier meets the ground, the player can get up and continue, so rolling around on the ground would not be tactically a good idea.

I don't think you can compare the sports at all, because different things are needed to make the players great.

What I don't understand why you are even bothering to come to this site. To try and convert us? Damn, unless you have foxtel you can't even see the game. To learn something about our game? Well read the forums and checkout the NRL site.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Watch? Oh goody, this ought to be good......

It is. And it’s so simple that even a spider monkey on acid could understand it.

NFL is played by three separate teams inside each team. Offence, Defence and Special Teams. Whilst the Offence is on the field, the Defence and Special Teams aren't, and vice-versa.

NRL is played by one team inside each team. Each player is involved in Offence, Defence and yes, all the kickers come from those same players in that one, single team.....

Thus nullifying the " In Gridiron, every player is involved in every play " statement you made.

Wrong answer.

No it isn’t.

Every player on the field is involved on every play in football

No they aren’t. It’s that simple.

When, and I’ll use this one because you like it, The Vikings fumble the ball, where do the WRs, QB, RB and Offensive line go?

They go and sit down don’t they. How are they still involved in the play whilst sitting on their arses on the sideline….

This is NOT, repeat NOT! the case in league

Yes it is.


Apart from the forwards who are interchanged but still manage to play around 60 minutes per game(starters), every player is involved in every play. Whether that means making sure of their spot in the defensive line, chasing a kick, or dropping back to cover a kick, they’re still involved. Unlike the NFL where most of the team’s players are sitting on their arses.

Which part can’t you comprehend?

There is an average from 2-5 players involved on each tackle/play of the ball in normal play in league.

Reasonable statement. Your first.

The rest of the players on the field are doing EXACTLY what is being done in between plays in football.

Stupid statement. Not your first.

I watch NFL, most of the players not actually involved in the play are doing nothing more than sipping on a drink watching the play that they’re not involved in.

They are getting ready and positioning themselves for the next play. IN BOTH SPORTS!

No.


How does a defensive end position himself when his team’s Offence in on the field?

He positions himself close to the cheerleaders....

The difference is while they do this positioning DURING normal play of the ball in league, NFL players do it in BETWEEN plays.

No. You’re a stupid person.


What positioning does a defensive end do when his team’s Offence is on the field?


f**k all. That’s the only sane answer to that question.

Is it that hard to understand these differences in the basics of each sport?

Quit being so dense as this is exactly how each sport is played.

You claim to follow the sport but you think that every player is involved in every play….


LOL


You need to change doctors immediately.

Oh, I know what you were getting at, that every player on the field at one time is involved in every play, but they are in League, Soccer, Union, christ, even AFL. The difference is that in each of those sports, all the players don't play 5 then rest 5.....

And none of those sports has the sort of constant one-on-one contact either on EACH play.

And none of them wear the masses of padding that NFL players have.

You’re running real short of arguments here…

That's one of the reason the players have to be that big, fast and strong

Big, fast, strong, padded to the gills…..

The league player would get killed under those circumstances.

No more than an NFL player would in an NRL game….

It's why 18 year old kids can't play the game at that level in American football. Get it?

Get what, that NFL hold back their players till their early 20’s?

That’s their decision, I couldn’t care less. The US system has always been different to everywhere else. That’s not exactly news.

Hence why a player could not walk into the NRL from NFL. Even those "superior human beings" need to crawl before they walk.

Sorry, as many collegiate football teams practice differing forms of rugby/league in off-season practice drills (it's safer that way in the off-season). And there are a slew of RB's and LB's weighing in from 110 125 kg's who would still be one of the fastest players on the league field these days.

They would be killed in the NRL without 3 – 4 years to learn the game properly from the grassroots up. You’re suggesting that people who play a bit of touch footy would be able to compete with seasoned professionals. That’s like saying a bloke who throws the odd dart in a pub would be able to compete with Jockey Smith or that a pub pool player could give Steve Davis a run for his money....


You’re an imbecile.


Hell, pick the best the NFL has to offer and they’d be beaten soundly by a JB Cup side….


Christ, they’d probably be beaten by the Rip’s Flegg side…

So, all that's left is flaming your sorry arse.

Gimp.

Imp.

Twerp.


You need to argue with someone who’s never seen an NFL game you fool. There is an argument going on here but only one of us knows what it is....

 

[ozhawk66]

Hmm, In Rugby this statement would be true, In rugby league it is false, Running into a player/Shoulder-Barging is allowed, checkout Sonny-Bill for some good examples of that. Never seen anyone try and roll into someone knees but I doubt it is the best way to stop a player, cause unlike gridiron where the play halts when the ball carrier meets the ground, the player can get up and continue, so rolling around on the ground would not be tactically a good idea.

I don't think you can compare the sports at all, because different things are needed to make the players great.

What I don't understand why you are even bothering to come to this site. To try and convert us? Damn, unless you have foxtel you can't even see the game. To learn something about our game? Well read the forums and checkout the NRL site.

I average 2-3 matches a week via Foxtel and that's without watching Friday Night football or the tape delayed Sat/Sun matches. If it ain't live I ain't watching it.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Thats nice, so you have an interest in the sport, still haven't said why your posting NFL threads in a NRL forum, their is a nice NFL forum located below in which many of us (including myself) talk about this sort of stuff.

It's like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

You can say the same thing about any league player trying to play NFL.
No one is saying an NFL player could step on to origin tonight and dominate.
Imagine Daunte Culpepper if he played league from birth would be a superior league player to almost everyone. Imagine a guy with a pin point bullet arm, a tactial football brain, can run 40m in abit over 4 seconds and has a 120kg frame to boot.

FFS, he is saying that an NFL player could play Origin, he even mentioned Daunte Culpepper.

His pinpoint arm would be as useful as a nice pair of silk panties in an NRL game, his tactical "gridiron" brain would be as useful as a nice silk bra in an NRL game and his running would be as useful as the matching teddy in an NRL game.

He would make a nice ensemble, that's all.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Thats nice, so you have an interest in the sport, still haven't said why your posting NFL threads in a NRL forum, their is a nice NFL forum located below in which many of us (including myself) talk about this sort of stuff.

It's like comparing apples and oranges.

Exactly.

One of the first statements I made.

Still, I'll make hay while the sun shines and this thread lasts here....

 

[gunnamatta bay]

A lot of nfl players are really obese. Remember the refrigerator?

 

[Snoop]

The most obvious difference is that you can watch RL live but you have to tape any NFL games and use fast forward all the time.

 

[Snoop]

Oh and any talking of NFL dropouts coming over here to revolutionise the game is crap. League requires players built like league players, not players built like NFL players.

 

[Lego_Man]

EA's "spider monkey on acid" analogy was one of the best i've heard in a long time...


Anyway back to the point....you have to also look at the fact that America has 280 million people, whereas Australia and New Zealand combined still have only 25 million.

Thus America will tend to produce a much larger pool of elite athletes.

Secondly, you have not once attempted to address the point that NFL gridiron teams consist of two separate teams, effectively meaning that an individual player will end up sitting out a large portion of each game. Add bullsh*t like "special teams", which i believe is players who simply kick and do nothing else and you have a game that is so specialised that it's absurd.

Which is not to say that certain NFL players in certain positions aren't athletes who could rival any in the NRL, but when i see 150 kg+ obese blobs lining up for the play, i am really unimpressed.

 

[Misty Bee]

I average 2-3 matches a week via Foxtel and that's without watching Friday Night football or the tape delayed Sat/Sun matches. If it ain't live I ain't watching it.

You are going around in circles. There is no Rugby Friday Night Football show anywhere in the world.

And if you only watch live Rugby, you mustn't have seen a game for about 3 weeks, when Super 12 ended.

And to prove your utter stupidity, this is not a Rugby forum. This is a LEAGUE forum. You need to address these errors, lest you log onto www.wimbledon.com, and start bagging lawn bowls.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Secondly, you have not once attempted to address the point that NFL gridiron teams consist of two separate teams, effectively meaning that an individual player will end up sitting out a large portion of each game. Add bullsh*t like "special teams", which i believe is players who simply kick and do nothing else and you have a game that is so specialised that it's absurd.

Actually, that's the point I've been making all along.

The guy just doesn't get it.

 

[canberra_raiders2k2]

EA's "spider monkey on acid" analogy was one of the best i've heard in a long time...


Anyway back to the point....you have to also look at the fact that America has 280 million people, whereas Australia and New Zealand combined still have only 25 million.

Thus America will tend to produce a much larger pool of elite athletes.

Secondly, you have not once attempted to address the point that NFL gridiron teams consist of two separate teams, effectively meaning that an individual player will end up sitting out a large portion of each game. Add bullsh*t like "special teams", which i believe is players who simply kick and do nothing else and you have a game that is so specialised that it's absurd.

Which is not to say that certain NFL players in certain positions aren't athletes who could rival any in the NRL, but when i see 150 kg+ obese blobs lining up for the play, i am really unimpressed.

Ok i have tried to answer this but everytime i do you guys ignore it or focus on something else in my reply..

In league if your team is defending..its very easy to catch your breath if your part of the backline in most situations...facts show that backs make the least tackles and hitups so they tend to be fresh for the most part of the game.

The Forwards are a different story there involved in the action most of the time spent on the field, but most forwards play 20mins then take a huge break..

In the NFL/Gridiron when on the field your expected to be involved in something no matter what position your playing..yes they take breaks but once again on an average a Gridiorn player would be more involved then a league player..only cause when your playing gridiorn your always involved..there is no "catch my breath" position unlike backs in league who have it easy for most of the game.

Both require a ton of stamina..i just think Gridiorn is slightly more due to the sprints involved almost every down.

 

[ozhawk66]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozhawk66
</FONT></FONT>There is an average from 2-5 players involved on each tackle/play of the ball in normal play in league.


Reasonable statement. Your first.



Then we will go from here, as you were to spun in your last post to respond too.

This is exactly what I'm saying - there are anywhere from 2-5 players involved on each tackle/play of the ball in normal play. Now, what are the rest of the players doing on the field that were NOT involved on said play? They are pacing themselves - because there WEREN'T involved on said play - AND positioning themselves, in case the play comes their way on the next play, or if they are next up to run and or eventually in run support.

All of this takes place DURING normal play of the ball.

Meanwhile, the players on the American football field take time between the plays. Not time off, but take time. Your bitching about the changing of teams and sitting on the sideline. That is part of the professional game now days as it physically impossible to play both sides on any consistent basis. They do this by the fact that every player is involved on every play, in constant, physical one-on-one contact with each offensive play started off with a scrum. League is not allowed to play like this. It's not part of the game. It's also why a league game takes 80+ minutes as opposed to the 3 1/2 hours for a football game.



This is why football is a collision sport and league is a contact sport.

Football evolved from rugby/league the way humans evolved from apes.


Gimp.




Twerp.


Simp.


You need to argue with someone who’s never seen an NFL game you fool. There is an argument going on here but only one of us knows what it is....

If you knew football, you wouldn't be so ignorant about some of the things you have said and keep leaning on as points of contention.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Raiders 2k2, you're missing the point too.

League players, especially starters, play the majority of the game non-stop and in the case of backs, all the game. That's an 80 minute game in 90 or, for the pedantic, 95 minutes.

NFL players do not play anywhere near all the game and they certainly get the opportunity to re-charge the batteries through numerous breaks in play. The game takes four hours and it's not unusual for players to be sitting for 5 minutes at a time, 2 or 3 times a quarter.

NFL players have padding everywhere to cushion the contact, League players for the most part don't wear padding.

If you asked an NFL players to play without padding, he'd have you committed, yet League players do it week-in, week-out.

NRL players need and have more stamina, there's no doubt.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

If you knew football, you wouldn't be so ignorant about some of the things you have said and keep leaning on as points of contention.

I've forgotten more about Football than you'll ever know.

I've never professed to be an expert on NFL though but unlike you obviously, I have eyes that work.

On ya bike ya nobody.....

What piss-weak peck you turned out to be. Find a hole and hide in it....