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nrl vs superleague

lyon is a saint

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who do people thinck is the best league to play, how would our teams st helens, leeds, bradford, wigan, and hull fair against your top teams
 

Charge

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How can anyone truely know the answer to this? The only way would be a re-run of the tournament held in '97. Wow, just realised that was nearly 10 years ago! I must be getting old :?
 

t-ba

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The top 5 clubs would probably be competitive.

As for the rest...

Souths would probably come 6th in Super League.
 

11Straight

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The NRL is definatly a step up from the ESL but the above mentioned teams would go alright but you can never tell unless they are all equally prepared.
 

lyon is a saint

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RED_WHITE_DYNAMITE_04 said:
The NRL is definatly a step up from the ESL but the above mentioned teams would go alright but you can never tell unless they are all equally prepared.

i reckon our teams would wip your arses, superleague in my mind is becoming stronger than the nrl
 
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lyon is a saint said:
RED_WHITE_DYNAMITE_04 said:
The NRL is definatly a step up from the ESL but the above mentioned teams would go alright but you can never tell unless they are all equally prepared.

i reckon our teams would wip your arses, superleague in my mind is becoming stronger than the nrl

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Dogs Of War

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Sounds like you are losing your mind. Hopefully both Leeds and the Bulldogs win again so we can have the rematch in Australia next year.
 

ozzie

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Yeah right...Canterbury would bury any of those teams at full strength - so would the Roosters, Penrith, Brisbane...don't get too carried away with the Rhino's win..most people know that was very much an understrengthed side..

If the SL is so good how come Australia kicked Englands arse 44- to what?? in the Tri-Series.
The only reason your comp must be getting stronger is because of the second rated Aussies playing their and the Aussie coaches...
 

lyon is a saint

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Dogs Of War said:
Sounds like you are losing your mind. Hopefully both Leeds and the Bulldogs win again so we can have the rematch in Australia next year.

no chance of that happening mate saints will dominate superleague this year, hopefull the dogs or eels will win nrl
 

blaine train

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thats why the best team in britains best winger is marcus bai. that is disgraceful. he would barely make premier league sides over here
 

ozzie

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lyon is a saint said:
Dogs Of War said:
Sounds like you are losing your mind. Hopefully both Leeds and the Bulldogs win again so we can have the rematch in Australia next year.

no chance of that happening mate saints will dominate superleague this year, hopefull the dogs or eels will win nrl

Isn't that the team that a full strengthed Roosters side thrashed 38-0 three years ago??
 
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lyon is a saint said:
RED_WHITE_DYNAMITE_04 said:
The NRL is definatly a step up from the ESL but the above mentioned teams would go alright but you can never tell unless they are all equally prepared.

i reckon our teams would wip your arses, superleague in my mind is becoming stronger than the nrl

Then why do you have to slant everything in your favour? Come over here to play our team and we will not let you have any warm up / practice game (just as you do to us) and we'll wallop your arses. The Bulldogs flew to the other side of the world for one match, depleted team, and actually competed. The last time an English team did that it was an embarrassment to the game.

Has it ever dawned on you that the majority of your "stars" in SL over the past several years have been old Australian and Kiwi players?
 

lyon is a saint

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ozzie said:
lyon is a saint said:
Dogs Of War said:
Sounds like you are losing your mind. Hopefully both Leeds and the Bulldogs win again so we can have the rematch in Australia next year.

no chance of that happening mate saints will dominate superleague this year, hopefull the dogs or eels will win nrl

Isn't that the team that a full strengthed Roosters side thrashed 38-0 three years ago??

out team where shite that year trust me saints vs bulldogs no contest, easy win for the boys
 

lyon is a saint

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blaine train said:
thats why the best team in britains best winger is marcus bai. that is disgraceful. he would barely make premier league sides over here

bai the best in superleague what about, albert, vainikolo, carney, blacklock, and dallas
 

colonel_123

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There were too very different takes on this issue.

Here's what Ricky Stuart had to say in the Daily Telegraph:

Stuart says record is all that matters
February 6, 2005

SYDNEY Roosters coach Ricky Stuart claims the English dominance of the World Club Challenge is a reality check for the NRL premiership.

As critics slammed the match as being unfair to Australian teams in the wake of Leeds' 39-32 win over the Bulldogs, Stuart said the format should stay as it is.

He also rejected that the 8-3 advantage to English teams since the WCC was revived in 1987 tarnishes the status of the Telstra Premiership, long considered the best competition in the world.

"Maybe we're not the best at the moment," Stuart said. "They (Bulldogs) just got beat, didn't they? So obviously they're not the best.

"Therefore I'm saying, not just the Bulldogs, but maybe the NRL isn't the best. You can only go on the results, can't you?"

There was a chorus of disapproval from leading NRL players and coaches as they tried to digest another English triumph.

After watching the match with Bulldogs supporters, injured prop Mark O'Meley said the game should come to Australia.

The last time the match was staged in Australia was in 1994, when Wigan defeated Brisbane in front of 50,000-plus fans at ANZ Stadium.

Only Brisbane (1993), Melbourne (2000) and Stuart's Roosters in 2003 have tasted success.

"It would be great for the game to come to Australia," O'Meley said last night.

"Why don't they even it out and play it year for year in different countries.

"I think they have an advantage over there and it would be great for us to have it here, because it's a fair way to travel."

Test hooker Danny Buderus, who lost with Newcastle to Bradford in 2002, scoffed at suggestions the NRL has been damaged by the lack of success against the English premiers.

"Definitely not and if you want to look at the NRL, look at the Australian team and what they do over there," Buderus said.

"I just think if they want to go around with the world championship tag, it should be done properly after each season.

"Leeds play next week so they want everyone fit and ready to go and we're still six weeks from our competition. It's a pretty big ask for Australian teams to get over there at this stage of the year and perform at their peak.

"Leeds played really well, but from what the Bulldogs showed -- if you add Willie Mason, Andrew Ryan, Mark O'Meley, Brent Sherwin and Matt Utai -- you don't have to be Einstein to work out how much better they could play."

Another recent loser in the WCC, Penrith coach John Lang, proposed a Super Bowl-type scenario as a solution.

"While it's set up this way, I'm not sure it's ever going to have much credibility until you can turn it into a proper international fixture," Lang said.

"I think it would be tremendous to see both seasons finish on the same weekend and then have a Super Bowl-type game a fortnight after.

"I know that will take a bit of jigging with the draws here and there, but I think it can be done."

The WCC contract is on a year-to-year basis, meaning there is nothing to stop the match being staged in Australia next year.

But NRL chief executive David Gallop said he thinks it should remain in the northern hemisphere.

"The sellout crowd this morning and the opportunity for our guys to go on a special trip away is likely to see us support playing it in the UK again," Gallop said.

The Sunday Telegraph

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,12159628-23214,00.html

And here's what Phil Gould had to say in the Sydney Morning Herald:

Depleted Dogs were doomed
By Phil Gould
February 6, 2005
The Sun-Herald

Leeds have been crowned the best club team in rugby league, proving beyond all reasonable doubt they are the best in the world after beating the Australian champions, the Bulldogs, 39-32 at Elland Road in Leeds yesterday.

Yep. The best club team in the world! Give me a break.

If the Great Britain team is the best in the world, I am an astronaut.

At this point in the argument I would like to acknowledge that Leeds worked hard for their victory and on that score I do not deny them or their fans the right to sing and dance in the streets celebrating good fortune.

I also think their Australian coach Tony Smith deserves huge congratulations for the way he prepared his team and for the tactics employed on the day. Leeds squeaked out a win and that's all they had to do.

I just hate it. I hate it when Australia loses international games to Great Britain and I hate it when our club sides lose to English teams.

I hate it because I know it is not a true reflection of the difference in ability between their rugby league competition and ours.

However, given the format and conditions under which this competition is run, the English clubs will probably continue the dominant record they have forged over the Australian clubs.

It has been proved many times that unless Australian teams take this game seriously and spend the necessary time preparing specifically for the occasion and the logistical problems involved, they are going to lose.

With the loss comes the embarrassment of having to put up with the English teams enjoying bragging rights.

Australian teams lose not because of the quality of their opposition. They lose because they fail to handle the travel, the weather, the ground conditions, the partisan home crowd and the atmosphere created in these close-to-the-action English football stadiums.

And the Australian clubs rarely take their full complement of players into the match.

The Bulldogs went into this game without eight stars from their grand final success in October. Their replacements were mostly first-grade rookies.

Braith Anasta was to be their main ball player but he had limited time on the field.

The Bulldogs did not spend much time training specifically for this game - you could see that from the way they played.

But I also know they have prepared for the coming NRL season with their traditional heavy fitness and strength programs and my mail is that they had done little team ball work at all before the start of February.

They were always going to struggle in this match. Unless you are prepared for victory before you leave these shores there is no chance of resurrecting or getting a good preparation once you are in England.

It's a case of planes, trains and automobiles for 30 hours just to get to the north of England. It takes you several days to get over the flight. There is no chance of a quality training session once you are there due to the cold, damp training grounds.

Now that Leeds have won they look like geniuses but when you study the game and the way it was played I reckon a case can be made for saying Leeds were very lucky to win.

The Dogs lacked cohesion early and seemed very tentative in the first half in both attack and defence.

The ball movement in attack was slow and predictable, making them easy meat for the Leeds defence which was never onside and was in their face the whole time.

I cannot understand why Australian teams demand to take an Australian referee with them for these games.

Referee Sean Hampstead did the Bulldogs no favours and it always appears to me that Australian referees bend over backwards to try to show the home crowd they are not favouring the Aussie team.

English referee Russell Smith is the best in the world and if I were the Australian coach involved I would want a referee who isn't going to feel intimidated.

But that's sport, isn't it? And if you fail to prepare, you are preparing to fail and this is where the Dogs have no one to blame but themselves.

The first time I was involved with one of these WCC games was in 1991 when I coached the Panthers.

In those days you won the Australian grand final in Sydney on the Sunday and had to play the English winners in England the following Saturday.

We landed in Liverpool with half a team and half of them were still half drunk.

The players didn't want to go. I didn't want to go. We had one game of touch football to prepare for the clash.

After 15 minutes we were down 8-0 courtesy of four penalty goals from in front of the posts awarded by the French referee the English had asked to control the match.

Our being there was a waste of time and we could not get home quickly enough.

Two years ago the Roosters won the Australian title and we decided to give it our best shot.

We trained for a month specifically for our opposition, St Helens, and our players and coaches left no stone unturned to guarantee the best preparation possible.

We organised our own accommodation and training facilities in England. We left Australia early to give ourselves maximum time to acclimatise to the conditions.

We selected our best team and every player was available. We beat St Helens 38-0.

If the Bulldogs had done the same thing they would've done a similar job on Leeds.

Do not be fooled by this result.

The Bulldogs are the best football team in the world. I just wish they could play Leeds at full strength to prove it.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/League/Depleted-Dogs-were-doomed/2005/02/05/1107476856377.html[/b]
 

11Straight

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lyon is a saint said:
RED_WHITE_DYNAMITE_04 said:
The NRL is definatly a step up from the ESL but the above mentioned teams would go alright but you can never tell unless they are all equally prepared.

i reckon our teams would wip your arses, superleague in my mind is becoming stronger than the nrl
Your kidding yourself if you think the ESL is stronger than the NRL half of the players over there are NRL has-beens that are there for a nice retirement fund because they could no longer cut it at NRL level.
 

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:lol: The Poms are hillarious, everytime they win a one off game they think they are the best bar none. I heard the commentators going on about how this result erases the pain of the Tri nations championship. Well done you beat a team missing 8 players from the 04 GF :lol:
 

lyon is a saint

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well what about when the saints played brisbane, brisbane trained well and had a full team out and we still cained there arse

please somebody admit that your teams are simply not good enough
 
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