NRL2 Second Division

[Perth Red]

Yeah, can act as feeder to cover player costs

There's currently 26 NSW and Qlnd cup teams and 17 NRL clubs, and you think we can add more clubs who can also be feeders to NRL clubs? How's that work? Are NRl clubs going to send players to far flung places like Perth, Darwin and Adelaide?

 

[Perth Red]

Because soccer is long term investment with potential pro reg which means clubs can move up. NRL is closed shop. You expect ppl to invest in 2nd division nobody cares about..

They are saying there will be no pro and releg.

 

[Pippen94]

I'm standing by my comment

Gallop screwed a league. Should have pro reg already & more Sydney teams (no, not Macarthur) for derbies. Same thing Donkeys here wants to remove from NRL

 

[Pippen94]

There's currently 26 NSW and Qlnd cup teams and 17 NRL clubs, and you think we can add more clubs who can also be feeders to NRL clubs? How's that work? Are NRl clubs going to send players to far flung places like Perth, Darwin and Adelaide?

Well, guess your model is flawed

 

[Perth Red]

Well, guess your model is flawed

Nope my model makes sense! 17 NRL reserve grade sides and 10-14 independent NRL2 sides in a legit competition. What doesnt make sense is having pseudo reserve grade comps that new areas cant join as they are heavily weighted by NRL reserve grade pathways.

 

[Pippen94]

Nope my model makes sense! 17 NRL reserve grade sides and 10-14 independent NRL2 sides in a legit competition. What doesnt make sense is having pseudo reserve grade comps that new areas cant join as they are heavily weighted by NRL reserve grade pathways.

Qld & NSW cups cover most areas, with only Adelaide & Perth missing. It's like you have no idea about current system - like ur strictly an afl fan.

 

[Pippen94]

There's currently 26 NSW and Qlnd cup teams and 17 NRL clubs, and you think we can add more clubs who can also be feeders to NRL clubs? How's that work? Are NRl clubs going to send players to far flung places like Perth, Darwin and Adelaide?

Isn't falcons feeder for storm?! Never mind, none of this will ever happen

 

[Perth Red]

Qld & NSW cups cover most areas, with only Adelaide & Perth missing. It's like you have no idea about current system - like ur strictly an afl fan.

Wellington, Christchurch, Perth, Adelaide, Gosford, Sunshine Coast, CQ, Cairns, Darwin, Suva, Port Moresby, PNG Southern Highlands. Welcome to NRL2.

 

[Pippen94]

Wellington, Christchurch, Perth, Adelaide, Gosford, Sunshine Coast, CQ, Cairns, Darwin, Suva, Port Moresby, PNG Southern Highlands. Welcome to NRL2.

Most of those areas have a NSW cup level team or are a short drive away, notwithstanding Perth & Adelaide.
Creating 2nd division to house Adelaide & Perth when you can just add them to NRL with much greater returns is dumber than dumb

 

[Perth Red]

Most of those areas have a NSW cup level team or are a short drive away, notwithstanding Perth & Adelaide.
Creating 2nd division to house Adelaide & Perth when you can just add them to NRL with much greater returns is dumber than dumb

What? None of them are in NSW cup. NRL reserve grade would be basically NSW cup, which a reserve grade, plus some Qlnd NRL club reserve grade sides.

 

[Pippen94]

What? None of them are in NSW cup. NRL reserve grade would be basically NSW cup, which a reserve grade, plus some Qlnd NRL club reserve grade sides.

Yeah, you don't know what ur talking about; qld cup, nz comps, PNG comp etc

 

[Colk]

There's currently 26 NSW and Qlnd cup teams and 17 NRL clubs, and you think we can add more clubs who can also be feeders to NRL clubs? How's that work? Are NRl clubs going to send players to far flung places like Perth, Darwin and Adelaide?

In saying that though how would you expect a competition that will be of a lesser standard to fund itself. This is the crux of your argument: the only time you can have a functioning second division or similar to this idea is if a) there is promotion and relegation attached to it like European soccer or b) it works as the feeder system to the main league like you see in some American sports such as Minor League Baseball.

So evidently you have to either make RL a promotion/relegation competition (which I don’t think will or should happen) or you get rid of Qld Cup/NSW Cup and current reserve grade structure and replace it with this or you expand and reshape NSW Cup/Qld Cup into a national type set up like this idea and make it the reserve grade.

There is really very limited value in setting up a completely new competition to sit below a reserve grade competition

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah, you don't know what ur talking about; qld cup, nz comps, PNG comp etc

lol you said, and I quote:

Most of those areas have a NSW cup level team or are a short drive away

None of them do, I think out of the two of us its you that doesn't seem to know the sport very well!

 

[Pippen94]

lol you said, and I quote:


None of them do, I think out of the two of us its you that doesn't seem to know the sport very well!

U know NSW & qld cup teams play off in national championships?! They presented as same level in that regard

 

[Perth Red]

In saying that though how would you expect a competition that will be of a lesser standard to fund itself. This is the crux of your argument: the only time you can have a functioning second division or similar to this idea is if a) there is promotion and relegation attached to it like European soccer or b) it works as the feeder system to the main league like you see in some American sports such as Minor League Baseball.

So evidently you have to either make RL a promotion/relegation competition (which I don’t think will or should happen) or you get rid of Qld Cup/NSW Cup and current reserve grade structure and replace it with this or you expand and reshape NSW Cup/Qld Cup into a national type set up like this idea and make it the reserve grade.

There is really very limited value in setting up a completely new competition to sit below a reserve grade competition

Look that's the biggest challenge for sure. Its tied up with profile, interest, NRL commitment, sponsors, Tv, fan interest etc. It needs to be a legit contents that engages RL fans in the cities its played in.
It wont be anywhere near the size of NRl and nor does it need to be.
Understanding that the purpose is to bring professional RL to cities that are unlikely ever to get an NRL team, opportunity for clubs outside NRL to put themselves in the expansion window if NRL decided to go to more clubs and giving players and officials more opportunity to earn a crust from playing.
Sht if broke arse soccer can seriously consider a second tier I dont see why we cant

Again the problem with current set up is its reserve grade status meaning its incredibly hard for new areas to join as A) you have to have an NRL club link up or your not going to be competitive on field B) It has no interest to anyone as not a legit comp so does not generate any revenue for clubs C) Its 2 state based and largely not covering areas without NRL teams, because its a pseudo reserve grade

 

[Perth Red]

U know NSW & qld cup teams play off in national championships?! They presented as same level in that regard

oh so when you said NSW cup, you didnt really mean NSW cup? ok I get it now lol

 

[Colk]

Look that's the biggest challenge for sure. Its tied up with profile, interest, NRL commitment, sponsors, Tv, fan interest etc. It needs to be a legit contents that engages RL fans in the cities its played in.
It wont be anywhere near the size of NRl and nor does it need to be.
Understanding that the purpose is to bring professional RL to cities that are unlikely ever to get an NRL team, opportunity for clubs outside NRL to put themselves in the expansion window if NRL decided to go to more clubs and giving players and officials more opportunity to earn a crust from playing.
Sht if broke arse soccer can seriously consider a second tier I dont see why we cant

Again the problem with current set up is its reserve grade status meaning its incredibly hard for new areas to join as A) you have to have an NRL club link up or your not going to be competitive on field B) It has no interest to anyone as not a legit comp so does not generate any revenue for clubs C) Its 2 state based and largely not covering areas without NRL teams, because its a pseudo reserve grade

Look I totally understand what you are trying to do and I agree with the idea of giving regions or areas clubs that are outside the realm and scope of the NRL a connection, in essence providing a better link or structure between the NRL and country/regional Australia etc.

I still think in order for it to work you would need to do two things: to split it up into conferences as otherwise the travel costs would be too burdensome and secondly you have rid yourself of reserve grade and have this as your reserve grade.

At least with a model like the minor leagues you could have players called up from NRL 2 and you could have players on the fringe of first grade mixed in with players from these regions which will in turn, hopefully improve the standard of those local competitions.

 

[Pippen94]

oh so when you said NSW cup, you didnt really mean NSW cup? ok I get it now lol

Yeah, when I said "NSW cup level" I meant "NSW cup level".

You make me want to delete my account

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Most of those areas have a NSW cup level team or are a short drive away, notwithstanding Perth & Adelaide.
Creating 2nd division to house Adelaide & Perth when you can just add them to NRL with much greater returns is dumber than dumb

Aren't you vehemently against Adelaide and Perth?

Ideally we would have a 12 team NRL1 and 12 team NRL2.

NRL1

North Queensland x 1
Brisbane x 2
Sydney x 3
Northern NSW x 1
ACT x 1
Victoria xb1
WA x 1
NZ x 2

NRL2

North Queensland x 2
Central Queensland x 1
Brisbane x 2
South Queensland x 2
Sydney x 3
Central NSW x 1
Southern NSW x 1

 

[Pippen94]

Aren't you vehemently against Adelaide and Perth?

No