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NSW Cup restructure

Lockyer4President!

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Birthplace could determine where second-tier league players end up under Shane Richardson's radical new scheme

August 29, 2015 - 8:00PM
Adrian Proszenko
Chief Rugby League Reporter

Demoted or prospective NRL players could be forced to play for teams based purely on their birthplace under a controversial proposal for the game's second-tier competition.

The governing body is scrapping the National Youth Competition at the completion of the existing broadcast deal at the end of 2017 in a move that will save the clubs $16 million collectively. It is proposed the development pathway for youngsters will be comprised of Harold Matthews, SG Ball and then an open-age competition that acts as the stepping stone to first grade.

NRL head of strategy Shane Richardson is putting the finishing touches on his "whole of game" manifesto, which will be delivered to the Australian Rugby League Commission by the end of the year.

As it stands, his plan is for a 14-team open-age competition, likely branded as the NSW Cup, which would include two teams from country areas, two from New Zealand, seven sides in Sydney, a Fijian outfit and sides out of Newcastle and the Illawarra. The teams would not be branded along NRL lines, which means the Canterbury, Penrith and Manly NSW Cup sides would need to be rebadged.

The most contentious part of the proposal surrounds eligibility and how the players are distributed across the competition when they are not on NRL duty. Richardson has flagged the prospect of NSW Cup players aligning to teams based on where they were born as a means of spreading the talent. However, that plan is likely to be viewed dimly by NRL clubs, who will have virtually no control over their players when they aren't playing first grade.

Under the existing arrangement, the NRL clubs dictate where their feeder clubs train, who trains them and have coaching structures are in place to ensure they are learning the same calls, systems and playing styles as the first-grade side so they are prepared when they get called up. It also allows teammates to become familiar with each other's playing styles and to build camaraderie through the club.

However, if the proposal is enacted, an NRL coach could have his 17 second-tier players spread across 14 teams, with many playing against, rather than with, each other.

There will also be logistical problems in trying to determine exactly which team a player qualifies for and large costs in sending players to train with sides based in New Zealand or in regional areas.

"Who do you play for if you are born in Perth?" a source said. "Or if you're born between two catchments? Or if most of the players are born in the same place? I don't know how this is going to work."

Another option under consideration is aligning NRL clubs with certain teams or regions.

It is understood the NSWRL is concerned that the jump from an under-18s competition to an open-age one is too big and that many talented youngsters could be lost in the transition. The NSWRL met most of the Sydney clubs during the week to thrash out the issues.

Another concern is the profile of the new competition, with broadcasters unlikely to give it the same coverage Fox Sports currently gives to the under-20s. The NRL is already at loggerheads with the clubs on a number of issues, who are holding off signing new participation agreements.


Sounds good, NSW might finally get a proper QLD Cup equivalent.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...econdtier-players-end-up-20150829-gjaku5.html
 

paulmac

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Rediculous.All the NSW cup needs is the 11 NSW NRL sides to enter teams, add and fund 5 more so it runs in conjunction with the NRL.Say Norths,Newtown,Wyong,NZ Warriors and Fiji.For example Norths could follow North QLD in the NRL draw.
 

drago brelli

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It's simple.......U/16, U18, U/23s. That's what it used to be and I thought it worked. Forget big Richo and pay me the 4mil.
 

CC_Roosters

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Will never happen, clubs will see to that.

The 14 team comp and its makeup has a nice balance from metro, country and overseas so that part is correct. All thats needed from there is the reveival of a state u20/21/23 age based competition for after sg ball. Would anyone else like to see a national knockout cup as the replacement for the current NYC format? That way there is still a national tournament which could then be televised
 
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It is a stupid idea because I cannot see any club saying "sure take our employees away from us, have them play for a club not of our choosing, and give us no say in how they train, play etc". Really smart that one :crazy:

The NRL need to remember they are not the player's employers, the clubs are. Licence agreements or not I doubt they have legal authority to enforce that part of their scheme.
 

Red Bear

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Stupid idea.

Nothing wrong with the way it is now.
Yeah that. It generally works as is, and is a quality competition as is.

It's the step from 18's to first grade that is an issue, but the 20's didn't solve that because it was still a comp where players could survive on being physically more developed than others, and others get left behind if they haven't yet developed. But smart clubs have been using NSW cup to ready players for first grade for a while (Souths, for example, have had alot of their good young players come up via a decent stint for the Bears, e.g. Burgess twins, Keary, Korisau last year, probably some others).

Obvious concern without the 20's, though, would be clubs a long way from anywhere getting juniors a decent level of competition without breaking the budget (Warriors, Storm, Cowboys).
 

kbw

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Yeah that. It generally works as is, and is a quality competition as is.

It's the step from 18's to first grade that is an issue, but the 20's didn't solve that because it was still a comp where players could survive on being physically more developed than others, and others get left behind if they haven't yet developed. But smart clubs have been using NSW cup to ready players for first grade for a while (Souths, for example, have had alot of their good young players come up via a decent stint for the Bears, e.g. Burgess twins, Keary, Korisau last year, probably some others).

Obvious concern without the 20's, though, would be clubs a long way from anywhere getting juniors a decent level of competition without breaking the budget (Warriors, Storm, Cowboys).

Some very good points, I would like to add Ron Massey into the mix, I have seen some U20s players come out 100% better players after a few games in RM
 

siv

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Simple answer is National RG above National U20s

Then everything proposed works for NSW Cup

And dont tell me we dont have the funds we just signed a $925 tv rights deal
 

Joker's Wild

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Simple answer is National RG above National U20s

Then everything proposed works for NSW Cup

And dont tell me we dont have the funds we just signed a $925 tv rights deal

A nation RG will never get off the ground, the QRL will resist it with their dying breath

Taking the cream of the crop out of the QLDCup would decimate the competition

The NSW and Qld Cup comps are fine the way they are right now. The only change id like to see are more traditional clubs acting as feeders instead of the NRL branding. Penrith should go back to the Windsor Wolves, Newcastle to Central, etc
 

adamkungl

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Nope.

Each NRL team needs to have a reserve grade aligned side and a graded senior comp (20s, 21s, 23s, i dont care), if they can't afford it in this day and age the NRL needs to cough up from their giant TV deal.

Aside from the 11 NSW-NRL aligned teams (it doesnt matter if they are badged identical to the NRL side) there should be 5 strong regional teams to round out a 16 team comp. 2 can come from existing NRL sides - Melbourne and Auckland. 2 from expansion prospects - Perth and NZ2. 1 from NSW Country - Western or Northern.

Don't need to c**k around with eligibility rules, pointless and damaging
 

siv

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A nation RG will never get off the ground, the QRL will resist it with their dying breath

Taking the cream of the crop out of the QLDCup would decimate the competition

The NSW and Qld Cup comps are fine the way they are right now. The only change id like to see are more traditional clubs acting as feeders instead of the NRL branding. Penrith should go back to the Windsor Wolves, Newcastle to Central, etc

So 3 QLD clubs have a bigger say than 11 NSW clubs ??

Qld cup model does work in NSW as NSW Cup and Reserve Grade are one and the same

If QLD dont want to be party to it then a simple 12 team comp with the Warriors and 11 NSW aligned NRL clubs playing in NRL club colours on match day could be operational tomorrow

Then NSW Cup could run under the proposed model
 

Nealo 12

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See what happens when you give an old senile dude a high ranking job with one thing to work on and pay him too much money !
 

CC_Roosters

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Never mind who plays in it theu also need to fix the season structure. Currently 25 games and then a top 8 finals system in a 12 team league is really a bit silly. Home and away for 22 games and a top 5 or 6 would gi e the comp a whole lot more integrity. Really dont undersrand how australian sports administrators come up with these competition structures.
 

Joker's Wild

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So 3 QLD clubs have a bigger say than 11 NSW clubs ??

Qld cup model does work in NSW as NSW Cup and Reserve Grade are one and the same

If QLD dont want to be party to it then a simple 12 team comp with the Warriors and 11 NSW aligned NRL clubs playing in NRL club colours on match day could be operational tomorrow

Then NSW Cup could run under the proposed model

Um, yes. If the Qld teams arent on board then it wont be a NATIONAL RG then will it

And what do you do when a NSW team is playing a Qld team? Just the one game on match day?

Reserve grade is a redundant concept in this day and age. Both the NSW Cup and Qld Cups are doing their job and doing it well. Why exactly do we need to change that?
 

siv

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Um, yes. If the Qld teams arent on board then it wont be a NATIONAL RG then will it

And what do you do when a NSW team is playing a Qld team? Just the one game on match day?

Reserve grade is a redundant concept in this day and age. Both the NSW Cup and Qld Cups are doing their job and doing it well. Why exactly do we need to change that?

One game on Match day is what the NRL wants long term but not me as a fan

I prefer every NRL club represented

Sorry NSW Cup is not doing its job
- too many players are quiting the game at age 21
- FG players are not interested to play at park venues
- clubs field players who are not RM Cup standard
- fans cannot see players working their way through the ranks
- players are being forced to not be one clubmen
- training is not mirroring FG and impacts the anility of players to step up in FG
- the breadth of the game has shrunk in NSW and has flow effects into SOO and Australia test football
- how many players career is shortened because they just dont eant to llay for another club ?

In QLD your junior club is your QLD Cup club

In NSW your junior club is your NRL club not always your NSW Cup club

Canberra players having to play for a Parramatta district club is pretty dumb if you ask me

Of late NSW clubs have been moving away from this jersey swap with Canterbury Penrith Wests-Tigers Newcastle migrating back to a RG structure

Even Nth Qld setup their Townsville based RG team
 

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